OK, Im sure this is going to surprise a few people, and before you vote, Id ask you to have a look here http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=775&p=6 and here http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=770&p=4 I was quite surprised to see these results. We always see Intesl cpus oceed in benches, this is one of the few times we see Phenom oceed, and as you see it does quite well. I know its only 2 findings from the same site, but if anyone has other links with Phenoms being benched in gaming at a 3.0 overclock, please share, as we all know, Deneb is on its way, and the IPC seems to be 10-15% faster and higher clocks. We may see a dramatic change soon when it comes to benching games, as well see both cpu makers being included in benches in the future!