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On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 23:44:40 GMT, "Mark" <mteNO@earthlinkSPAM.net>
wrote:
>
>"noneyabusiness" <me@you.com> wrote in message
>news:m2r8r0t47qh62q29itkl1vqsq2sr2274p4@4ax.com...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> technically, is using 2 pc's cheating?
>> >> >
>> >> >Yes.
>> >> >D2:LOD EULA Section 3/C/iv, and B-net TOUA Section 4/A/xvii.
>> >>
>> >> I'm too lazy to lookup the references... certainly this can't apply if
>> >> you *OWN* two copies of the game?
>> >
>> >It certainly does. In the future, I suggest you read and understand
>> >documents before you agree to abide by them.
>>
>> OK, here's the section you referred to:
>>
>> xvii) create or maintain, under any circumstance, more than one
>> simultaneous connection to Battle.net. All such connections to
>> Battle.net, whether created by Blizzard software products or by other
>> tools and utilities,
>>
>>
>> (For emphasis)
>> may only be made through methods and means expressly approved by
>> Blizzard Entertainment.
>>
>> Under no circumstances may you connect or create tools that allow you
>> to connect to Battle.net's private binary interface or interfaces
>> other than those explicitly provided by Blizzard Entertainment for
>> public use;
>> [end quote]
>>
>> A second copy/cdkey/licence is probably the "explicitly provided
>> method" but this is not elaborated anywhere in any Blizzard text.
>
>Read the whole thing I cited:
>Battle.net Terms of Use Agreement
>4. Your Use of Battle.net.
>A. You are entitled to use Battle.net for your own personal use, but you
>shall not be entitled to
>
>When you create a new account on B-net you must agree to this document. And
>it is independent of a CD key. A CD key is not a person, an individual is.
>Hence the 'your own personal use' statement.
>
>And 'create or maintain, under any circumstances, more than one simultaneous
>connection to B-net.' is pretty ironclad. Under any circumstances doesn't
>allow for any wiggle room for those with a second CD key.
>
As I emphasized above, they allow for lots of wiggle since they never
elaborate on what the "explicitly approved by Blizzard" methods are.
The "all such connections" statement clearly refers to "multiple
connections", so there must be an approved way of creating
simultaneous connections (which I still maintain refers to coming from
ONE PC).
>> All this probably refers to running the game and a BOT, or any other
>> program that communicates to the server, on the same machine.
>>
>> Elsewhere, there is a statement that limits your use of (one copy of)
>> the game to one specific computer, but nowhere it is stated that only
>> one copy of the game may be played in one HOUSEHOLD.
>
>No, the part you are referring to prevents you from installing the game on
>multiple machines for multiple people to play.
>
>> Therefore, since each EULA allows a person to play one copy of the
>> game on one computer, buying two games and running them on two
>> separate computers is expressly allowed.
>
>But not by the same individual simultaneously on B-net.
>
Wiggle room cited above...
And besides, the whole thing is totally UNenforceable.
They have no way to determine if the second connection is being used
by me or someone else in the house.
>> Just for the hell of it though, I think I'll send a question to
>> Blizzard and get the official answer (not that I'm going to hold my
>> breath waiting for a reply).
>
>I've asked the question in the past and only gotten an automated response
>that didn't answer the question. Let me know if you actually get a real
>response.
>
Will do, But, as you've experienced, I've no expectations of getting a
real reply.
>> And in closing, I suggest you don't play Internet Lawyer
😱
>
>Bite me.
Funny. When I first read your "In the future, I suggest..." I was
going to close with "Bite my shiny metal ass" in response to the
condescending tone I read into it.
>The guy asked a question and I answered it. Technically using two
>computers at once on B-net is cheating.
>There are hundreds of more severe
>problems with B-net, but technically it is cheating. I'm sorry if you don't
>like my analysis, but nothing you have provided has changed my opinion.
>
Until Blizzard clarifies the situation with an explicit "One person
cannot use two (or more!) copies of the game to play two (or more!)
characters on Bnet at the same time" statement, I'm going to disagree.
>Regards-
>Mark
>
>Bongo-Fury
>
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