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JPWRana

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i needed a good catchy tittle. Please help me guys, or else i'll be forced to put this post in other popular non-digital camera forums here @ THG...

I wanna buy a digital camera. My budget is no more than $750. The more the megapixels... the better! However, i would prefer if the camera used types of media that are huge (i.e. microdrive @ 1GB) because that way i can store more pictures before it gets full. Also, the smalller it is, the more portable and versatile... the better!! I hear optical zoom is a very good thing also... however, this is a last priority factor... i wouldn't mind having to move up 2 more feet for taking the picture. Any recommendations?

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JP,

I suggest you browse a few of the digital camera review sites. There are some very good ones, the following being some I know of:

<A HREF="http://www.dpreview.com/" target="_new">http://www.dpreview.com/</A>

<A HREF="http://www.imaging-resource.com/" target="_new">http://www.imaging-resource.com/</A>

which includes an interesting camera comparison feature: <A HREF="http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM" target="_new">http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM</A>

<A HREF="http://www.dcresource.com/" target="_new">http://www.dcresource.com/</A>

Of course this will lead to information overload as there are SO many choices and new cameras coming out all the time.

I think you need to determine your major use for this camera, and tune your choice accordingly. If it is for on-line publication, you may not need that many megapixels since the image files get huge. If it is for making larger format hardcopies, then you will want lots of megapixels.

Optical zoom IS important. Moving up 2 feet when you are 30 feet away isn't going to help much, but a 6X vs. a 3X optical zoom IS going to make a big difference. On the otherhand, if you are doing mostly web publication, the digital zoom does help when you shoot at lower resolutions than the camera's maximum. This is only true with reasonably high megapixel cameras. For example, if I only want a 1024x768 image, I get full imager resolution at 3X optical plus 2X digital zoom (6X total) with my 3mp, 2048x1536 max resolution camera. Just remember that the digital zoom is just using less and less of the imager's pixels to make the image. You can get the exact same image by cropping the full resolution image later in your photo editing program. The advantage of the digital zoom is that you will get a smaller image file for the original which saves storage space.

Consider also the macro (close focus) capability. Some cameras do astounding things (especially the Olympus and Nikons from what I've seen). On the other hand, this may not be important for your usage.

Another consideration is low light capability, both image quality and ability to autofocus in low light. This is a "hidden" problem with most non-pro (read SLR) digital cameras in that thay are all "rangefinders", so the optical viewfinder is useless for focusing. The optical viewfinders are also quite inaccurate in framing the picture. So in low light, you either have to attempt to focus manually using the now very dim (but probably much brighter than the actual image??) LCD or you have to let the camera do it's best to auto focus for you. A good flash capability helps, but this is usually not that great on these cameras.

That said, there are lot's of good choices in your price range, but the more full featured cameras will be larger in general. I'd look at the Canon G2 and G3 (new) and also the near top of the line Sony's like the Sony DSC-S85. If the image quality has been improved (over the C-700) the Olympus C-720 also looks interesting.

I ended up with a Canon S30. I like the Canon color rendition better than most (VERY personal choice), and the size VS features ration is good. I feel the S40 offers little advantage (4mp vs 3.2mp) in that I think the lens becomes the limiting resolution factor.

Be aware that you can usually get adaptor lenses to (approximately) double (and more in some cases) the telephoto or wide angle capability of the basic camera lens. This isn't as convenient as more optical zoom, but it does do the job when you need it. I was even able to get an "adaptor" for adaptor lenses for my S30 even though it is not designed to allow this.

Lastly, I strongly recommend that you handle the camera in person before you buy it. Reviews and on-line purchasing is great, but if the camera just doesn't handle right for you, you might regret not trying it out first.

Good hunting!

BW

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by bw37 on 09/30/02 01:46 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 

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thank you very much bw... this helps alot!!! I'll use the websites you gave me.

What do you think of the DSC-P9 Cyber-shot® Digital Still Camera by Sony. This one attracts me because it's small (meaning quite portable), it has a good fair of megapixels, 3x optical zoom and 2x digital zoom, and (to me) the price seems to be fair ($600 US). Would you get a camera like this?

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Gotta go with what works for you. One obvious competitor to the P9 is the Canon S40. The Canon does have one feature you said you wanted: microdrive cability. I don't know what the largest memory stick is, but the Canon will hold more pictures. On the otherhand, the Sony will take longer MPEG video clips if that's something you will use. The Canon has more total features, but you may not want or need them. If you like to hold a camera with two hands, make sure that the offset lens isn't a problem for you.

The lens cover is a weakness of the S30/S40, but it may allow a better lens in the same size camera. I haven't had a problem with mine, but some have. It's all a bunch of trade-offs.

One other thing to consider (though I don't think you'll get it in a compact, high m-pixel camera):
an adjustable angle LCD would be really nice when you can't get the sun reflection off of the fixed type LCD. This is only apparent outdoors, in bright light. The Canon G2 and Nikon 4500(??) have this capability, but they are larger cameras than you seem to want.

In the end, you've got to buy what works for you. If the Sony P9 reviews look good and you like how it handles, I say buy it. It looks like lots of people like it from what I read.

BW<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by bw37 on 10/01/02 09:39 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 

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well, they both (the sony and cannon digicam's) are small... although i'm not gonna worry to much if 1 is 1/10th of an inch wider or longer... they both look ok (in physical size) so that's cool with me. As for microdrive compatibility, i didn't see any of that on the cannon s40 digicam. It only said it supports Type I and II cards and CompactFlash. I don't know where you got microdrive from. But i do like the fact that in the cannon's camera, it has a bigger total zoom magnification increase than sony's p9 (11x compared to 6x), since both got 3x optical, but cannon's got a bigger digital zoom. Which is cheaper now (in $$$) the sony p9, or the cannon s40?? Because at the end... doesn't it always come down to price?

hope to hear from you soon.

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JP,

My S30 manual does discuss using microdrives (specific handling considerations - they are somewhat fragile). The S40 is essentially identical except for the imager resolution.

Canon's spec. page also refers to microdrives in the storage/vs. resolution and memory chart (the asteric by the 340mb memory). It's not exactly shouted about, just a passing note.

<A HREF="http://www.powershot.com/powershot2/s40-30/specs.html" target="_new">http://www.powershot.com/powershot2/s40-30/specs.html</A>

There are now 512mb solid state CF cards so microdrives may be unnecessary unless they offer better speed.

Here's an interesting read on CF memory types and speed.
<A HREF="http://www.dpreview.com/articles/mediacompare/" target="_new">http://www.dpreview.com/articles/mediacompare/</A>

Don't really mean to push the Canon. I'd look at other's as well before you narrow your options too much. Handle the various camera's and compare the prices and features and go with your heart. I've got lots of Sony stuff myself, but lately seem on a Canon splurge. :wink:

BW
 
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