PLEASE HELP WITH $3000 GAMING PC

pckid22

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Just hoping for some last minute revisions that would make it better value for the prce let me know what I should change.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/obhN
Does not include OS btw
In particular will 2 7970 ghz edition cards and a pci sound card (xonar stx) fit on the asrock extreme4 mobo?
7970ghz:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202005&Tpk=7970%20ghz%206gb
Extreme4:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157293
Xonar STX:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829132010
 

boulbox

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC14PE 60.1 CFM CPU Cooler ($85.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UP4 TH ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: A-Data XPG SX900 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($454.98 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($454.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master Storm Stryker (White) ATX Full Tower Case ($144.84 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 850W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($119.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Sony AD-7280S-0B DVD/CD Writer ($18.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1974.72
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-20 18:33 EST-0500)

sound cards are pretty much not needed anymore because the sound on motherboards have gone up a lot
 

pckid22

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When you want to play at 2560 by 1440 with the witcher 2 with ll max settings including ubersampling, skyrim with so many grphics mods you can barely tell it apart from real life when you take a screenshot (with no monsters in it of course) and crysis 3 on the way, I believe both of these 7970's will not be enough, and certaintly will not last the 4 years I wish they would (maintaining 60fps min in every game the whole time). I will certainly drop below 30 fps during demanding scenes.

Again though really want to get a confirmation on if the graphics cards will fit with the sound card in that mobo.

I do like the looks of that mobo though boulbox.
ps: I LOVE good music and will notice a world of difference with the sound card (tested it out at a friends house against his realtek 898 onboard audio (which is good for onboard) so I know for sure.
 

pckid22

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Cant believe you managed to fit in 3 7970's =0 However, is trifire scaling acceptable at the moment? I do not want to waste 420 dollars on an extra card that would grant no significant fps boost around the 60fps mark (the max refresh rate for my monitor). Trifire benchmarks supporting this would be very welcomed.
 

boulbox

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then get a studio headset, most of the quality sound comes from the headset instead of the sound chip anyways.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002DP8IEK/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B002DP8IEK&linkCode=as2&tag=techoftomo-20

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000ULAP4U/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B000ULAP4U&linkCode=as2&tag=techoftomo-20

these are very great headset with great sound. you really do not need the sound card invest it somewhere else like a headset of this kind if you really want good music. if you want to use speakers then the 7.1 on the mobo will do you good.

if you really just want that sound card, go ahead and grab em, it wastes quite a bit of money for something you dont really need
 

Thomas Creel

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Are you open to building a custom water cooling loop?

CPU Waterblock: Apogee HD - http://www.swiftech.com/ApogeeHD.aspx
VGA Waterblock: KOMODO-HD7900 - http://www.swiftech.com/KOMODO-HD7900.aspx#tab1
VGA Bridge: CrossFireX Bridges - http://www.swiftech.com/crossfirexbridges.aspx
Radiator: MCRx20-XP - http://www.swiftech.com/mcrx20-xp-radiator-series-1.aspx
Pump: MCP35X - http://www.swiftech.com/mcp35x12vdcpump.aspx
Reservoir: XSPC UV Blue Single 5.25” Bay Reservoir - http://www.xoxide.com/uv-blue-single-bayres.html

Water cooling two Radeon HD 7970's.
 

boulbox

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watercooling 7970s are not that worth it. reasons are simple, the price is to high on the water blocks

going a 670 watercooling is a much better choice as getting 3 waterblocks are like paying for 4 7970 waterblocks.

doing something like watercooling is also a solid choice if you have time to maintain once in a while(a while doesnt mean day by day but several months) it also allows you to do 3 SLI/CFX to allow performance stay up.
 

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you can run 3 7970 WC cooler than 2 7970s aircooled... i do not see your point

as i said, doing 7970s WC are not that worth it since 670 are much cheaper. If he wants to make his computer last longer then yes go Watercooling but not with 7970s.
 

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($169.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC14PE 60.1 CFM CPU Cooler ($85.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte G1.Sniper 3 EATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($260.01 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($129.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($169.00 @ B&H)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($329.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($329.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($329.99 @ Newegg)
Sound Card: Asus Xonar Essence STX 24-bit 192 KHz Sound Card ($179.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Cooler Master HAF X ATX Full Tower Case ($169.98 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 1050W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($149.52 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Keyboard: Gigabyte GK-OSMIUM Wired Gaming Keyboard ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Mouse: Logitech G600 MMO Gaming Mouse Wired Laser Mouse ($65.00 @ Amazon)
Total: $2577.41
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-20 21:05 EST-0500)
 

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for some reason it shows that the 840 is pretty slow compared to many other SSDs
 

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Yeah and the GTX 550 Ti is also cheaper, but the 7970GE is a better card. The 7950 overclocked matches the GTX 680.
 

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heheh you are to funny.

the point i stated 670 vs 7970 they are close matches. 7970 is recommended because it performs just about the same as 670 but cheaper. now with the expensive 7970 WC blocks you should just switch to a 670(unless you got a crazy amount of money and can pretty much afford anything possible but, he is on a budget still)

7950 OCing to 680, i would love to see that. 7950 OC performs just as good as a 7870 OC also which is a reason why people don't recommend 7950(unless doing a multi monitor setup where the 3GM Vram will provide help)

7970GE is the better card here but it will push him over budget with your kind of thinking
 

boulbox

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hahaha yes 3dmark11 of course

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and of course i will not be as ignorant and be saying "680 beats 7970 in every aspect" because i would already know that is wrong 7970 is a great card it is just that WC blocks are overpriced for them while 670s have a lot better price(and performance/brands) than 7970. 7950 does beat 680 in the aspect that they have more Vram than them and can perform a lot better because of it also it can perform worse for having more Vram(ex: old drivers that did not put the 3GB of Vram to good use and made the latency a lot higher than other cards) also Nvidia does have a more stable SLI config than AMDs CFX
 

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PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/oAVH
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/oAVH/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/oAVH/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i7-3930K 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($499.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($28.98 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock X79 Extreme4 ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($209.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($61.19 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: OCZ Agility 4 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Galaxy GeForce GTX 680 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($427.86 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Galaxy GeForce GTX 680 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($427.86 @ Newegg)
Sound Card: Asus Xonar DS 24-bit 192 KHz Sound Card ($65.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 922 ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 850W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($110.36 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DVDE818A7T/BLK/B/GEN CD Reader, DVD Writer ($25.97 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($164.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($91.99 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Microsoft SIDEWINDER X4 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($49.91 @ Amazon)
Mouse: Logitech G600 MMO Gaming Mouse Wired Laser Mouse ($65.00 @ Amazon)
Other: Galaxy GeForce GTX 680 2GB Video Card ($427.86)
Total: $2982.91
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)


Graphics wasn't playing nice with 3 way SLI so I had to custom it in.
 

boulbox

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Yea same with me, wouldnt go with 680, it doesnt have that much of a performance boost compared to 670

going i7 is way overboard on something for a gaming rig and is not needed in a gaming rig

you should Opt for an i5 and get a better cooler and you are spending about $10 over on optical which will probably be only used to install win7 and lan drivers
 

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The Hyper 212 performs very well, there is room in his budget to upgrade it if needed.

He's spending $3000 on a Gaming Computer. Unless you want Bottlenecks galore, or an overpriced piece of crap, you'll want the full i7, as it is needed for the extra performance. This is not overspending on a CPU. This is less than 17% of his budget on a CPU.




Your broad statements are as ridiculous as the previous guy saying that the GTX 680 "does have much of a performance boost compared to a 670". Stock clocked 680s perform as well as, or better than, 7970s overclocked to 1ghz, as well as stomping 7970s at stock, generating less heat, and using less power than them, and they hover around the same price.

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Don't forget, the GTX 680 was not designed to be NVidia's $500 card, whereas the 7970 was designed to be AMD's $500 card. The 680 was designed for the $400 range, and the 670 was designed for the $300-320 range. Prices have been dropping, and are near those points.
 

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great choice and you will need at least 850W PSU if you plan on overclocking 7970 GE are very power hungry
 

boulbox

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bottle necking a i5 he says. a 680 won't even bottleneck an i3, it will "bottleneck" when playing something like a BF3 64 player map because that involves intensive CPU rendering where an i5 can handle that very easy.

i5 3570k vs i7 3770k/3930k there is very little to no performance boost.

Oh and thanks for showing yourself that a 670 pretty much has the same performance as a 680.

sure 680 "was" design to be a $400 card but is that true that it is at $400 price range yes, "was" 7970 GE design to be a $500 price range sure but is it at "500" no

BF3 is an Nvidia based game and the 7970 GE pretty much has the same performance than 680 in an Nvidia based game at the same price point too
 

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Updated it so that the 3way sli is properly displayed.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3930K 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($499.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($28.61 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock X79 Extreme4 ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($209.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: OCZ Agility 4 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 680 2GB Video Card (3-Way SLI) ($449.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 680 2GB Video Card (3-Way SLI) ($449.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 680 2GB Video Card (3-Way SLI) ($449.99 @ Newegg)
Sound Card: Asus Xonar DS 24-bit 192 KHz Sound Card ($39.68 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 922 ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: CoolMax 950W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($80.53 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ CompUSA)
Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($164.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($91.99 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Microsoft SIDEWINDER X4 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($49.91 @ Amazon)
Mouse: Logitech G600 MMO Gaming Mouse Wired Laser Mouse ($64.00 @ Amazon)
Total: $2942.60
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-21 14:13 EST-0500)


Boulbox, it appears you have difficulties reading. As such I'll list things out:

1. That benchmark I linked shows the 680 outperforming the 670 by about 10%.
2. This system has 3 - GTX 680s, not 1. I'll gladly laugh at somebody who tries an i3 with 3 - GTX 680s.
3. Your own link proves you're wrong.

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GTX 680 - 26% better than the 7970 overclocked on average, 58% better at minimum frames.
-16.8% better than the GTX 670 on average, 35.7% better at minimum frames.

Want more links?
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In addition to that, it sucks more power
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It runs hotter
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It is louder
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Get off the AMD bandwagon. To sum up: it's a worse card.