Poor overclocking. ATi 9600 pro . Help.

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Seems like my ATi 9600 pro can't handle too much overclocking. I have seen on this forum and others people are able to overclock this hard as hight as 550 core and 380 mem. But mine starts showing weakness if i go more than 450 core and 340 mem. I couldn't increase the memory more 340 before i start getting artifacts on my desktop background and program windows.
What could be the reason? Why am i not able to over clock this card as this card is a very good with overclocking?
What can i do to overcome this problem?

I have the retail built by ati 9600 pro.
Thanks.

CPU: Intel P4 2.4B w/ 533Mhz FSB
Mobo: ASUS P4P800 Deluxe (intel 865PE)
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Video: Sapphire Radeon 9000 PRO 64MB
 
Ok I'm probably one of the one's who showed the promise of the card. The thing we've found out is that the LATER releases aren't always as OC'able. Most BBA cards are GOOD, but not all reach above the 500/350 mark. In your case it's obviously less.
First start with the CORE first. THEN the memory. I found that the CORE will produce the hard-locks first, and the Memeory will produce the artifacts.
Also which utility are you using to overclock? I've found that Rage3Dtweak gave me the most stable overclocks. And the OMEGAs give me the best visual quality (they use the crappy Raclocker to OC [I run day-to-day at 432/308])
Whcih benchmarks are you using for testing. 3Dmk01 should lock up in Either Chase (for way too much OC) or Nature (for slightly over the limit issue), 3Dmk03 will usually CRASH (either a locc-up or serious corruption, looks like a kaleidascope) in Battle of the Proxycon, and show memory artifacts (looks like Blackflies) in Wings tests (in all the first test, the CPU test, AND the sound tests) mine showed the blackflies above 363mhz and cause serious corruption with the memory at 371 (highest it would go) . I usualy stared experiencing lokc-ups with a 540+ core, and saw lower scores (without visible corruption) until I back it off to 533mhz.
Focus on the core first (your memory is definitely at it's max from the sound of it). However really a 50+ core and 40+ memory isn't that bad, just not stellar by R9600Pro standards. It almost looks like a typical Sapphire or PowerColor overclock, they don't get much headroom. You might want to check the memory modules and make sure they look like <A HREF="http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTA1MDI2NTI3OHViYWF1RTBZM3lfMV8xMF9sLmpwZw==" target="_new">THIS</A>
IF your memory says GC33 instead of GC2a then you got the 3.0ns memory and not the better 2.86ns memory. <A HREF="http://www.samsung.com/Products/Semiconductor/GraphicsMemory/DDRSDRAM/128Mbit/K4D26323RA/K4D26323RA.htm" target="_new">HERE</A>'s a list from Samsung of the memory types used for this board.

And of course there are the basics. Make sure you have the most recent AGP drivers for your MOBO, Make your AGP app. 256mb, turn off fast-writes/smartgart. You may also want to check your voltages with some kind of HW monitor (not likely it but could be). Do you have Enough ventilation (shouldn't be it but if it's stiffling it will kill any OC)?

BTW what is your OS, it sounds weird that it would have that much trouble with 2D.

And finally unfortunately you may have received a lesser sample. IT still runs in stock but just doesn't overclcock well. Overclcocking is always a gamble even with BBA cards. I've seen reviewers get as little as ~25mhz on the core and 9mhz on the memory (but that was the 3.3ns memory).

Hope that stuff helps, let us know how it turns out.

BTW, your sig. still says Sapphire 9000Pro. :wink:


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I am using Rage3d and latest omega drivers. Yea, the RadClocker(the one came with omaega) was not that good of a tweak.

I am using both 3dmark2001se and 3dmark2003 and plus some ATi demos for the testing. I get about close to 11000 in 3dmark2001se and 3665 in 3dmark2003 oced to 450/340.

I have WinXP Pro. No, i don't think i got the downgraded sample. I bought this card at a good retailer shop. And its a retail Built By ATi 9600 Pro. The stock core was at 397 and mem at 298.

I check the memory number. Are the memory chips on the both sides of the board? Well, anyway. On the fan side. It has
Samsung 316

K4D26323RA-6C2A
On the back side of the board it has
Samsung 313
K4D26323RA-6C2A
I am not sure if the 6 in 6C2A is a G not a 6. I couldn't see well in the dark while i was reading the numbers. It must be G not 6 i think.
Don't know what kind it is? 3.3 or 2.8?

Thanks.


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Video: Sapphire Radeon 9000 PRO 64MB<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by strikernr on 07/29/03 11:12 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
Yeah it's GC; and yeah it's the 2.86ns memory. I'm surprised it conked out before the 350 mark. But then again that may be why it's on your board instead of an R9800PRo. When I meant you got a lesser sample, I mean it's good enough for it to be a stock R9600Pro, it's just not got the headroom of the others. It's still performing above the 'stock' speeds which is what ATI is looking for, it's not something that'd be BIN'd out to another model (non-pro) just something that happenes to be in the lower end of their 'acceptable' range.
Try fiddling with the core (I think you may be missing some wiggle room there), but unfortunately you may be stuck.
<A HREF="http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?s=8335ab366bdc320abbd01ee28703ed64&threadid=33690026&perpage=20&pagenumber=1" target="_new">HERE's</A> a Thread at Rage3D, mainly concerned with non BBA boards, but there are some. It should be enlightening. Don't try the volt-mod stuff unless you are VERY familiar with hardware tweaking.

BTW don't run BOTH the Omega's and Rage3DTweak simultaneously, as they will conflict (but likely not the problem even if you did).

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Ok, I was just following the instructions/recommendations provided by OmegaDrive. He specifically states not to run other tweak programs (and also to remove the control panel before install). And since I'm saying you want to isolate any potential issues, I'd say try running them seperately. But if after all the testing is done, there is no diff. Then by all means use both if it works for you. I would have expected conflicts as they both have specialy settings for diff. games and I'd find it hard for BOTH to be optimizing for the same game simultaneously. But as always, do what works best for you. I just stick with the straight Omegas (but I do prefer the interface of Rage3Dtweak).


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I uninstalled RadClocker before installing Rage3D.

Anyway, after overclocking(this time i have @ 460/344), i don't see much performance difference in the games(maybe nothing at all) but my 3dmark scores did go up by couple hundred in both 2001se and 2003.


CPU: Intel P4 2.4B w/ 533Mhz FSB
Mobo: ASUS P4P800 Deluxe (intel 865PE)
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Video: Built By ATi 9600 PRO 128MB DDR<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by strikernr on 07/30/03 01:15 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
Yeah, you probably won't notice MUCH improvement. It would likely just help you if when your were running at stock it was barely struggling. However if it is REALLY struggling then a 20% improvement on 7FPS (to like 9FPS) still kinda rots, so you wouldn't notice improvement. However the amount of change in the mem. would likely help your play at higher res. or AA/AF because it's a substantial jump. However once again it would depend on if you are on the threshold of better playable frames or not.
Of course 3Dmk01/03 will always incdicate better performance has been achieved, but as always is it 'perceptible' change or just numerical change?

Anywhoo, I don't think there is MUCH more you can do? However try reading that thread, and check the other forums. There are hardware mods that will help, but they are VERY risky, and to me not worth the risk, at least not until your card is close to 'useless' for the games you want to play; and then the diff. is likely to be very small.


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