Question Port forwarding on Asus RT-AC66U issues

[phatboyj]

To clarify,
I am trying to set up upnp port forwarding for a WDMyCloud 4GB through my Asus RT-AC66U router. I have no modem only the router.


@
BuddhaSkoota

I have a similar problem to the OP of this thread .

Like him,
My I P's are different for Wan and Public.

" i'm pretty sure the reasoning for this is that I'm using the Asus DNS feature available in the router settings but don't know how to proceed from here or if this is even a problem"

Unlike Him,
I only have one AP / Router and it's connected directly to the isp via etho port WAN 0

My router is an Asus RT-AC66U
and I'm trying to enable port forwarding for upnp via a 4GB WDMyCloud.

any and all guidance will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
phatboyj
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Any and all guidance would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
phatboyj

 

[bill001g]

It has nothing to do with the dns. Like above post you must check to see if the device you have from the ISP is a modem or a modem/router. It if is a combo box you might have option to put it into bridge mode or maybe use the DMZ option. If it is a modem only then you must contact your ISP and see if there is any option for you to get a public ip address.

 

[phatboyj]

It has nothing to do with the dns. Like above post you must check to see if the device you have from the ISP is a modem or a modem/router. It if is a combo box you might have option to put it into bridge mode or maybe use the DMZ option. If it is a modem only then you must contact your ISP and see if there is any option for you to get a public ip address.

Thanks for the reply,

however,
I'm pretty sure I've already detailed that My issue is different than the OG poster in that my setup is router only no modem.

Furthermore I do have a public IP i just wanted to clarify that it differs from the wan IP because I'm using the Asus DNS feature I stated this because the guy "
@BuddhaSkoota" who helped the OG poster of this OG thread asked if the two IP's differed in his case and offered a suggestion to solve his problem.

To clarify I am trying to set up upnp port forwarding for a WDMyCloud 4GB through my Asus RT-AC66U router. I have no modem only the router.
any and all guidance will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
phatboyj
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[bill001g]

So if you have a public IP what device is it assigned to in your house.

 

[phatboyj]

So if you have a public IP what device is it assigned to in your house.

How would i learn this? I got my puplic Ip by Google "what is my IP address"

Everything should go through my RT-AC66U.

 

[bill001g]

That is EXACTLY the problem. If there is no device in your house that is assigned the public IP then you do not have a public IP. There is a router in the ISP network that is using nat to share the ip between you and other customers.

Your are back to the same options. If the device yout plug the asus into is only a modem them you must contact the ISP to get a public address assigned to your router.

 

[phatboyj]

That is EXACTLY the problem. If there is no device in your house that is assigned the public IP then you do not have a public IP. There is a router in the ISP network that is using nat to share the ip between you and other customers.

Your are back to the same options. If the device yout plug the asus into is only a modem them you must contact the ISP to get a public address assigned to your router.

How do I go about verifying that none of my devices are providing/assigned the public IP

 

[bill001g]

You know it is not the asus router. So pretty much the only other device it appears you have is the modem. You need to determine if the device is really just a modem or is a modem/router. You should be able to look the part number up and see if it is described as a modem or as a gateway.

 

[phatboyj]

You know it is not the asus router. So pretty much the only other device it appears you have is the modem. You need to determine if the device is really just a modem or is a modem/router. You should be able to look the part number up and see if it is described as a modem or as a gateway.

I am 100% sure it is not a modem/router combo as it is simply a cheap looking empty white box with nothing more than the wiring coming from outside and an empty compartment meant for an optional battery backup

If it is a modem witch i don't even believe it is even that what exactly should I request from my ISP as I've been using this internet service for going on 6 yrs without any other issues other than not knowing how to setup port forwarding for upnp

and to be clear you are saying that my public Ip that is reported by searching ip via google needs to be the same as my wan ip or ? and what about my lan ip

I have a place in my router settings to where I can set my Wan ip to static and manually make it match my public ip but I don't know what to put into the gateway and DNS fields.

Thanks for your help thus far


EDIT:

I just did an IP look up from a different device on my network also networked through the same router and it shows a completely different public IP yet

 

[bill001g]

Pretty much if the device is a modem you must contact the ISP. They need to reconfigure their equipment to give your router a public IP. They may just do it if you ask, other charge a extra fee, and some ISP do not have the ability because of technical limitations in their equipment/design.

It will not work to set the ip in the wan port. This IP is shared by many people and is assigned to some router in the ISP network.

 

[phatboyj]

Pretty much if the device is a modem you must contact the ISP. They need to reconfigure their equipment to give your router a public IP. They may just do it if you ask, other charge a extra fee, and some ISP do not have the ability because of technical limitations in their equipment/design.

It will not work to set the ip in the wan port. This IP is shared by many people and is assigned to some router in the ISP network.

Ok

can you answer this part

and to be clear you are saying that my public Ip that is reported by searching ip via google needs to be the same as my wan ip or ? and what about my lan ip

 

[bill001g]

The lan IP don't matter that is something your router uses to talk to you end machines. The router will translate all the lan ip to the 1 ip it gets on its wan interface. The only real restriction is the wan ip and the lan ip can not be in the same subnet. The router will reject any attempt to configure it and if you do it with the wan disconnected so the router does not know what subnet is used on the wan when it comes up the router will just not work.

 

[phatboyj]

The lan IP don't matter that is something your router uses to talk to you end machines. The router will translate all the lan ip to the 1 ip it gets on its wan interface. The only real restriction is the wan ip and the lan ip can not be in the same subnet. The router will reject any attempt to configure it and if you do it with the wan disconnected so the router does not know what subnet is used on the wan when it comes up the router will just not work.

OK
but the important part does the Wan and the Public need to be identical

also I just did a look up of my reported public IP on
https://www.arin.net/



and You were right "well partially" the part I couldn't rap my head around is that, I in fact have no modem in my setup so the NAT pooling is being done by my carrier offsite

results of look up
Source
RegistryARINKindOrgFull NameMetronet
Carrier Grade NAT Pool


Just got off the phone with my carrier,
and they said I should receive my static IP vi email within 3 days.

Rant:
They now charge 10$ a month for a static IP
The only reason I can think of to do this is well besides "the monetization of it all" is to preserve the # of IP4 IP's available. What i don't understand, is why carriers are not simply converting to IP6 ,as to my understanding IP6 was created to resolve the issue of limited IP addresses.




But please answer

Does the Wan and the Public need to be identical? and will you be willing to give further guidance once I resolve my IP issues? Again they said I should receive my static IP vi email within 3 days.

Thanks again for all your guidance thus far,
phatboyj

 

[bill001g]

Yes the wan and public IP must be the same. That means the public IP is assigned to YOUR router and nobody else. You technically didn't need a "static" public IP since you don't really care if it changes every now and then as long as it is public. The ISP likely only offers static ones.

The vast majority of people do not need public IP. Most people use actual cloud storage to keep their data. You likely could get lots for $10/month, I know there are some limited free ones and some bundled with things like amazon prime. It seem to be most needed by people who run console games since many of these games do not have central servers and use someone console as the server.

IPv6 has been the "new and improved" thing since I started in network over 30 years ago. They force you to learn all about it on the certification tests and then nobody actually uses it. It still is not used much, some sites in asia. I try to avoid it since is has the mac address of your machines in it so the idiot tracking programs can track even more. Besides the headers are larger so you get less data compare to the overhead so you get technically lower transfer rates.

 

[phatboyj]

Do you mind if I hit you up for further guidance once I receive my static IP?

 

[bill001g]

Just post question to the forum...new question get looked at more than adding to old ones. I am not around all the time but there are many others that know this stuff also.