Question Possible imbalances in system specs or compatability screwups?

robhellfire

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Afternoon, I'm looking to spec some PCs for where I work (small retail firm). We mainly use the machines for Sales software, Chrome for emails and Facebook, then our biggest 'demand' is a CAD software called Virtual Worlds for KBB design and rendering (not 4D/VR)

We've a number of machines that are well beyond their expected lifetime and a few 'cheap' prebuilds bought from a large retailer which turned out completely useless which were bought at my disgust.

Anyhow, I'm now planning entirely new PCs, Midi/full tower as space isn't an issue.

Approximate Purchase Date: e.g.: Hopefully Friday (8th Sept) after my day off.

Budget Range: £600 -650 (inc VAT) is kind of a self-imposed limit as I'm liable to see value 'creep' when doing anything with technology.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Light CAD design, Chrome, other low power software (business based) **Storage not required as data all kept on other machines

Are you buying a monitor: No

Parts to Upgrade: Full new tower, no monitor, peripherals etc to count in budget.

Do you need to buy OS: Have existing Win 10 Pro licenses I can transfer (actually unsure how licensing works now if it's mandatory?)

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Used Ebuyer/Scan/Overclockers so far in my parts serach but anywhere that is quick delivery to UK

Location: Manchester, UK. Ideally online order & delivery only.

Parts Preferences: Intel CPU, Nvidia GFX unless there's a very good reason to use alternative.

Overclocking: Doubtful, UEFI? standardised if anything but likely just wasted electricity bills :)

SLI or Crossfire: No

Your Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080, use doesn't really have required any FPS criteria etc

Additional Comments: Quiet would be good, but not mandatory, power consumption a small consideration as business use and on 24hr/day

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: Garbage / outdated computers struggling with newer OS and Chrome / CAD spec demands

Current parts list (kinda top end of my budget)
i5-12400F£147
ASUS Prime B660-PLUS £110
RTX3050 8GB GDDR6 £205
16GB memory Kit DDR4 3200mhz £47
Samsung 970 evo 500gb pcie 3.0x4lane £42
Case / PSU / Fans PC sum £100 can be ugly just no LEDs so as long as I get suitable GPU cables with PSU I should be fine?

Current total £651

If there's any massive fails in my parts choice warning would be appreciated, similarly if there's an imbalance and something will cause a massive bottleneck or make them redundant / outdated much sooner I'd be open to thoughts. I've thrown some notes on my process / parts consideration below.

CPU - I looked at i3-12100 but told it's underspecced for the CAD software (which I'm not sure I believe but w/e), then also i5-10400 but as much as I'd likely never upgrade and cost of MB increase it just seemed worth the notes.

MB - Looked at MSI B660M-A WIFI, as it came recommended in some reviews but I don't need Wifi and 2.5gb LAN isn't a priority. 1x M.2 drive is enough and USB speeds again not something I'd fret about.

GFX card - Originally considered going without a GPU and going with intel integrated gfx and throwing in more RMA to compensate but was advised against it even though it obviously increases the budget having a card. Then swung between 1650 and 3050 and that 'creep' started 😛

SSD - Read speeds are nice but not critical to our use I think and we're upgrading from mechanical drives in most of the PCs so will be noticable increase. Just want something reliable.

**I did just remember that one of computers will likely be running mirrored RAID and adding a few mechanical drives for our sales database which is a tiny amount of data but will need Raid capable MB. (I could just change specfor 1 as required).

Any help appreciated, I've built and played with computers a lot in my childhood but feel extra pressure not to <Mod Edit> when it's for work and it's going to be several systems 😉

Many thanks

Rob

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If I were you, I'd opt to get a processor without the F SKU since the iGPU is invaluable when you need to troubleshoot display issue which can and will happen to any system out there, be it expensive or cheap.
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We mainly use the machines for Sales software, Chrome for emails and Facebook, then our biggest 'demand' is a CAD software called Virtual Worlds for KBB design and rendering (not 4D/VR)
You can do all that off the iGPU. If you need more oomph for CAD, then you invest in a card later down the road.

Could you elaborate what CAD software you're using/going to use?

I would not look into a case that comes with a PSU bundled in since they can and will nuke other components in your build.
 
If you don't mind sharing, what are the specs or a general range of spec for the machines being replaced? Do they have discrete graphics already? Will you be running the same software after the hardware update?

Also, if you don't mind humoring me...You mention all of these PC having their own onboard storage but say above that all storage is done on (other machine). Is this to mean that the PC are all running to and from mapped network drives?
If that is the case, is the storage solution another PC, a NAS, etc.? and how is it interfacing with the LAN?
 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5700G 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor (£153.00 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B550 GAMING X V2 ATX AM4 Motherboard (£104.95 @ AWD-IT)
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Force Zeus 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (£58.91 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Black SN770 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (£44.07 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: MSI AERO ITX Radeon RX 6400 4 GB Video Card (£99.99 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox 540 ATX Mid Tower Case (£48.94 @ Box Limited)
Power Supply: Cooler Master MWE Bronze V2 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£74.59 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £584.45
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-09-08 10:28 BST+0100
 
Hi,

Thanks for your replies, I can't think how to structure response so I'll answer your questions in order.

The CAD system we use is Virtual Worlds, calling it CAD feels wrong given it's nothing like AutoCAD or other what I'd think as way more demanding software. It's 99% a visual sales tool.

I didn't clarify in my budgeting / list but I wouldn't be buying a Case with included PSU. My bad for not indicating as such but I know they're generally dogshit and as you say liable to fail and nuke your PC.

Current machine general specs (they're a range of ages but I think this is fairly middle of the spec).
i3-4150 CPU
4 or 8 gb ram
Geforce 210 (looking at device manager but not sure that's accurate)
*I think built in early 2015 (hence talking about them being far beyond expected lifespan)

Storage question: Our sales software operates from a database so everything runs back to one PC I guess for concurrency I guess but that's fairly minor in size of data transfers though probably accounts for a lot of traffic (not 100% sure how often it re-writes data or if it's cached w/e).

The CAD software uses network catalogues for all the products / items that you load into it which is a choice but is otherwise a nightmare for version numbers on updated catalogues as their naming system is pants.
Similarly design files and rendered images all go to NAS storage for ease of use and redundancy/backup.

Thanks Lucky_SLS for the parts list, I'm interested but wary of AMD as I've not used them since my Athlon 64 PC as a kid. Is there a notable performance/price difference?