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[LZ X-Ray]

Please forgive me if my comment is incorrect. I thought that the point of reviewing whatever, is to talk about the good or bad of a parfticular product. But just far too many people take the opportunityt to complain about the price. ALL the time. Complaining about the price does NOT tell anyone if the product is actually any good. Prices today are awesome when compared to the past. I once paid $600 bucks for a 30 MEGabyte hard drive. Not Gigabyte but Megabyte. I always say "If you wanna play, you gotta pay". I try to simply skip over posts complaining about prices.

Sorry, just my 2 cents.

LZ

 

[hotaru.hino]

Well as the saying goes from tech tubers, there's no such thing as a bad product, only a bad price.

 

[Eximo]

I agree for the most part, but price drives adoption and it has always been the main factor with looking at components. Price/Performance.

Typically you gain price/performance as you go down the performance tiers, this is one of the few times where the opposite trend is taking shape.

All the reviews cover performance, but also in relation to previous generation products.

3060Ti to 4060Ti comparison is pretty brutal.

Though you are not wrong that for the last decade we have been in a golden age of price parity with increasing performance, for the most part. Beginning with the 20 series it has been going to the other way. Performance parity and price increases in some cases.

Even if you compare prices from yesteryear to now it doesn't quite work. With inflation a flagship GPU should be around $800, maybe $900 now, not $1500. Now I will say you get a lot more with today's flagships, but still it has gotten way out of hand.

8800GT $250 (on the high side)
GTX280 $650 / $430 after poor sales -perfect example of market correction
GTX480/580/
GTX680 $500 - several years of performance increase, no cost increase. Big silicon removed from the 80 Tier
GTX770 $400 last time the previous gen became the new one tier down model.
GTX780 $650 Big silicon back in the 80 tier
GTX980 $550 Big silicon removed from the 80 Tier
GTX980Ti $650
GTX1080 $600 / $500 price dropped to $500 with the launch of the 1080Ti
GTX1080Ti $700
RTX 2080 $800
RTX 2080Ti $1200 -Market failed to speak, they just bought it in droves
RTX 3080 - MSRP $700 - street price, insane (Still a cut down GPU rather than flagship)
RTX 4080 $1200 (A complete tier shift down) 4080 logically should be priced as a 3080 equivalent, but it moved up in price to the Ti/90 tier
RTX4090 $1600

When you look at the 3060 vs the 4060 it is a huge shift down in capability and very expensive, so people are right to complain.

 

[DSzymborski]

Please forgive me if my comment is incorrect. I thought that the point of reviewing whatever, is to talk about the good or bad of a parfticular product. But just far too many people take the opportunityt to complain about the price. ALL the time. Complaining about the price does NOT tell anyone if the product is actually any good. Prices today are awesome when compared to the past. I once paid $600 bucks for a 30 MEGabyte hard drive. Not Gigabyte but Megabyte. I always say "If you wanna play, you gotta pay". I try to simply skip over posts complaining about prices.

Sorry, just my 2 cents.

LZ

Price is a factor for people who want to obtain a product. Items cost a particular amount of money, not a relative amount of money compared to what something cost some mysterious number of years ago. The $300 I drop for a CPU is the same $300 whether or not I paid $1400 for my Pentium 133 in 2023 dollars or they came free with a six-pack of Crystal Pepsi at the time. The price of something *is* part of the good or bad of a product. A Toyota Camry listed at $30,000 and an identical Toyota Camry selling for $300,000 are two very different products.

 

[LZ X-Ray]

Price is a factor for people who want to obtain a product. Items cost a particular amount of money, not a relative amount of money compared to what something cost some mysterious number of years ago. The $300 I drop for a CPU is the same $300 whether or not I paid $1400 for my Pentium 133 in 2023 dollars or they came free with a six-pack of Crystal Pepsi at the time. The price of something *is* part of the good or bad of a product. A Toyota Camry listed at $30,000 and an identical Toyota Camry selling for $300,000 are two very different products.

Wait, you got a six pack of Crystal Pepsi? Nice....

But yes, I do get your point...

LZ