[SOLVED] Potential of components

[marktilbrook]

Hi, I can build a PC but I dont know much about the components. I will be starting a new build when the new Ryzen 9 3900X and the x570 boards come out. Ive been looking at getting the Samsung 860 QVO SATA III 2.5 inch 1TB SSD as well and just a normal hdd. However, I will be wanting to make sure my RAM(this will need to be the fastest mhz possible for the mobo so how much gb and what mhz do you think?) + SSD + 980ti work to their full potential, how do i ensure this and what items should i change or buy to ensure I unlock the best capability of my components?

 

[13thmonkey]

no-one knows yet. There is no solid information on the ram compatibility. You also need to let us know about your budget, we could easily say the fastest 16GB kit, but it might be that for 1/2 the price you get >95% of the performance. If it comes out supporting very high frequency ram this will cause the release of those kits and price competition, right now no-one can use them except high end OC'ers.

What resolution and frequency are you hoping to game at?

 

[marktilbrook]

no-one knows yet. There is no solid information on the ram compatibility. You also need to let us know about your budget, we could easily say the fastest 16GB kit, but it might be that for 1/2 the price you get >95% of the performance. If it comes out supporting very high frequency ram this will cause the release of those kits and price competition, right now no-one can use them except high end OC'ers.

What resolution and frequency are you hoping to game at?

Well i just play 1080p 60hz, but i dont know if its worth looking into higher res and frequency, its very pricey moving up i believe, is 32gb ram still overkill? If the price difference isnt much im not bothered if its better to get 32gb. What im looking for is a new PSU + cooler if needed + ram + mobo + that samsung ssd if its still the best at the time. Lets just say no budget it if its all worth it and will last like 5 years crushing new games. Thanks

 

[13thmonkey]

32Gb will be no faster than 16GB unless you are getting close to using 16GB, which it is unlikely that you are.
As an example of price differences, 16GB of 3200 is £91. https://www.scan.co.uk/products/16g...-(3200)-non-ecc-unbuffered-cas-16-18-18-36-xm
16GB of 4333 is £325 https://www.scan.co.uk/products/16g...3-non-ecc-unbuffered-cas-19-26-26-46-xmp-20-1
Personally the £235 difference is not worth it, yes it'll give you maybe an extra 10%, but when you are only playing at 60fps you simply don't need it, a mid range CPU with mid range memory will do that. Running competitively at 144+ might require really careful component selection, 60fps does't need it.

5 years ago it was difficult to get good enough performance for 1080p60, nowadays that's the basic requirement and it is easy to achieve, so don't waste money on it. You'll see a bigger impact with a 1TB NVME SSD for only a bit more than your planned SSD than with this memory.

Now if you are looking to upgrade to a better screen in the next 2 years, then it might be worth choosing higher frequency capable components now, but intel and AMD are so close to each other that just picking nearer the top of the range is fine. We're seeing a lot people thinking that they must have a 9900k for gaming, where the simple truth is you don't, it's an enthusiast part, you'll know if you want it, as it will in part be for bragging rights as well as productivity.

 

[ElectrO_90]

The Samsung SSD you spoke of it not very good in the eyes of Samsung compared to its new Evo Plus range, although its a great SSD compared to others out there. It's just dated in terms of Samsung

Also, i find it strange you want to use a 980ti unless that's something you already own, and also strange you want the best AMD Ryzen, to play on 1080p. Even a 3600 would be enough.

 

[marktilbrook]

32Gb will be no faster than 16GB unless you are getting close to using 16GB, which it is unlikely that you are.
As an example of price differences, 16GB of 3200 is £91. https://www.scan.co.uk/products/16g...-(3200)-non-ecc-unbuffered-cas-16-18-18-36-xm
16GB of 4333 is £325 https://www.scan.co.uk/products/16g...3-non-ecc-unbuffered-cas-19-26-26-46-xmp-20-1
Personally the £235 difference is not worth it, yes it'll give you maybe an extra 10%, but when you are only playing at 60fps you simply don't need it, a mid range CPU with mid range memory will do that. Running competitively at 144+ might require really careful component selection, 60fps does't need it.



Now if you are looking to upgrade to a better screen in the next 2 years, then it might be worth choosing higher frequency capable components now, but intel and AMD are so close to each other that just picking nearer the top of the range is fine. We're seeing a lot people thinking that they must have a 9900k for gaming, where the simple truth is you don't, it's an enthusiast part, you'll know if you want it, as it will in part be for bragging rights as well as productivity.

Right thanks, In your opinion, what do you recommend, I like good value and I hate wasting money, so the 16GB seems decently priced, but is the is it worth looking at higher frequency for futureproofness?

The Samsung SSD you spoke of it not very good in the eyes of Samsung compared to its new Evo Plus range, although its a great SSD compared to others out there. It's just dated in terms of Samsung

Also, i find it strange you want to use a 980ti unless that's something you already own, and also strange you want the best AMD Ryzen, to play on 1080p. Even a 3600 would be enough.

The 980ti is what I own now, I will be upgrading it at the end of the year, just cant afford a new card atm. What SSD do you recommend? This will need to last a few years.

 

[ElectrO_90]

Right thanks, In your opinion, what do you recommend, I like good value and I hate wasting money, so the 16GB seems decently priced, but is the is it worth looking at higher frequency for futureproofness?

The 980ti is what I own now, I will be upgrading it at the end of the year, just cant afford a new card atm. What SSD do you recommend? This will need to last a few years.

Evo Plus - as I said - its great.
You don't need the best of the best to have a great gaming rig.
I've got a great gaming rig right now and it runs on a i7-2600k with a 2060 gpu 1080@75fps with 16gb ram
You have a great GPU already, so a 3600 with 16gb (2x8) would be fantastic for you
Just make sure you have a decent PSU like seasonic

 

[13thmonkey]

We don't know what high frequency ram will do on next gen ryzen. On current ryzen setups there can be a decent improvement in performance (a better processor would also work), but the chiplet design and inferred new memory controller that this would likely require means that we don't know what this will do.
Intel doesn't scale well with memory speed, does this mean that it can't take advantage of it? or that it doesn't need to? Ryzen 3000 could be the same, we don't know, so wait for the reviews.

 

[marktilbrook]

Evo Plus - as I said - its great.
You don't need the best of the best to have a great gaming rig.
I've got a great gaming rig right now and it runs on a i7-2600k with a 2060 gpu 1080@75fps with 16gb ram
You have a great GPU already, so a 3600 with 16gb (2x8) would be fantastic for you
Just make sure you have a decent PSU like seasonic

Would a 750w be alright? or do I need more? Thanks!

 

[marktilbrook]

We don't know what high frequency ram will do on next gen ryzen. On current ryzen setups there can be a decent improvement in performance (a better processor would also work), but the chiplet design and inferred new memory controller that this would likely require means that we don't know what this will do.
Intel doesn't scale well with memory speed, does this mean that it can't take advantage of it? or that it doesn't need to? Ryzen 3000 could be the same, we don't know, so wait for the reviews.

Thanks for all the info. Really appreciate it!

 

[ElectrO_90]

Would a 750w be alright? or do I need more? Thanks!

750W would probablybe overkill, as CPU's generally don't draw anymore than they did last generation, its the GPU that sucks all the power.
Good Quality is where it's at - that's the single most important thing when it comes to PSU - not the wattage.

 

[drea.drechsler]

Hi, I can build a PC but I dont know much about the components. I will be starting a new build when the new Ryzen 9 3900X and the x570 boards come out. Ive been looking at getting the Samsung 860 QVO SATA III 2.5 inch 1TB SSD as well and just a normal hdd. However, I will be wanting to make sure my RAM(this will need to be the fastest mhz possible for the mobo so how much gb and what mhz do you think?) + SSD + 980ti work to their full potential, how do i ensure this and what items should i change or buy to ensure I unlock the best capability of my components?

What PCIe 4.0 NVME's (multiple) are you planning on?

What PCIE 4.0 AIC's do you have in mind? The processor provides for a GPU so it's the other ones that matter now.

Unlocking the best capability of that X570 mobo depends almost entirely on the PCIe gen 4 devices you populate it with, doesn't it?

 

[marktilbrook]

What PCIe 4.0 NVME's (multiple) are you planning on?

What PCIE 4.0 AIC's do you have in mind? The processor provides for a GPU so it's the other ones that matter now.

Unlocking the best capability of that X570 mobo depends almost entirely on the PCIe gen 4 devices you populate it with, doesn't it?

Right, I dont know what you mean about NVME and AIC, sorry T.T, but I just plan on using a gtx980ti and the fastest ram possible if this answers your question, not sure what else goes into a pcie slot tbh

 

[drea.drechsler]

Right, I dont know what you mean about NVME and AIC, sorry T.T, but I just plan on using a gtx980ti and the fastest ram possible if this answers your question, not sure what else goes into a pcie slot tbh

LOL...NVME are the SSD drives that use the very high-speed PCIe data bus instead of slower SATA bus. AIC is short for add-in cards.

The big thing X570 brings you is PCIe Gen4, double the throughput of Gen3. If you're not using the gen 4 PCIe lanes (with multiple gen 4 NVME drives and/or AIC's ) you're not really using what the chipset can do.

A lot of people think you need X570 for Ryzen 3000...you don't. X570 boards are going to be costly, in large part because they have to accommodate gen 4 lanes to all the sockets which means expensive multi-layer designs with higher grade PWB materials. There are great X470 and even B450 boards that will run the new gen CPU just fine and will come much cheaper.

 

[marktilbrook]

LOL...NVME are the SSD drives that use the very high-speed PCIe data bus instead of slower SATA bus. AIC is short for add-in cards.

The big thing X570 brings you is PCIe Gen4, double the throughput of Gen3. If you're not using the gen 4 PCIe lanes (with multiple gen 4 NVME drives and/or AIC's ) you're not really using what the chipset can do.

Well im planning on getting an ssd, so would do you recommend any ssd that would benefit from the gen 4 or are they yet to be released? Recommendations appreciated, thanks a ton!

 

[drea.drechsler]

Well im planning on getting an ssd, so would do you recommend any ssd that would benefit from the gen 4 or are they yet to be released? Recommendations appreciated, thanks a ton!

There are plenty of announcements at Computex...I've seen Gigabyte is making one. But I'm not sure any are in the marketplace since there's no market for them yet...not until R3K CPU's hit the shelves at least.

Besides, I'd totally wait until reviews to see how many, if any, actually achieve the touted speed potential of PCIe gen 4 and under what conditions.

 

[marktilbrook]

There are plenty of announcements at Computex...I've seen Gigabyte is making one. But I'm not sure any are in the marketplace since there's no market for them yet...not until R3K CPU's hit the shelves at least.

Besides, I'd totally wait until reviews to see how many, if any, actually achieve the touted speed potential of PCIe gen 4 and under what conditions.

Thanks for your help. Makes sense to wait, really appreciate it.