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Karadjgne

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But again, that's subjective. You could read that as using 550w CX-M as being ok on a $1500 pc because it's on the 'buy this' list, or a minimum of a RMx for grandma's websurfer since the CX series wasn't listed as 'buy this'. There's far too many variables, everything from opinion to budget to market to pc requirements and expectations for a '1-size fits all' list, leaving the simplest and best method of determination by simply asking what's the best doable fit for your particular pc.

Ask first, buy later. Not the other way around.
 
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Darkbreeze

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You will STILL get detractors and argument-ers, because units you put in the ugly will bring people who argue, like we used to see in the old tier list (Arguing for page after page) that their POS has lasted for ten years and you don't know what you are talking about because it is "good PSU".

Or because they HAD that PSU and it failed, so it belongs in the ugly list even though 99.9% of people using that model have never had any issues with it. But the same could be said for what I've done so really it doesn't matter I guess. At least this way nobody can say I've put something on the wrong tier. It is simply recommended or not.
 
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Oh, yeah, in my view, this would be, like the rest of the first post in this thread, an "IN MY OPINION/MY RECOMMENDATION" kind of thing.

Of course, dumpster fires are pretty universal, I imagine. And . . uh, oh ,right, even dumpster fires get defended. I've found myself in at least one or two threads about someone arguing, quite forcefully, in favor of utter crap.
 

NightHawkRMX

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Even a price based psu tier list wouldn't work.

Too many variables. Like an rx570 can draw more power than a 2060 in some cases, even though the 570 is a third the price.

The ltt tier list is supposedly based on numbers now, but that results in reliable psus like a seasonic m12ii being placed above unreliable psus like a corsair cxm green.
 

King_V

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Oh yeah, I wasn't at all suggesting a tier list.

Just, for example, under the Corsair section (which is pretty much almost there anyway):

  • Recommended: TX, RM, RMx, RMi, HX, HXi, AX or AXi
  • Acceptable: CXm, CX
  • Avoid: VS, CX with green label
Then under the Seasonic section somewhere:
  • Recommended: Focus, Prime
  • Acceptable: S12II (for older systems)
  • Avoid: S12III
My initial thought was that the "lists" would go right under the brand heading, then the detailed explanation that currently exists for those of us who like to read up on the what and why.

There are some brands where this wouldn't be practical or applicable, I suppose.
 

King_V

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You could, but then you'd be arguing with the detailed part under Corsair, which already exists anyway. I'm basically looking to do a quick summary of what the detailed explanation gives you, for those who might not want to wade through as much text and the technical reasons why something is good or bad.
 

Rogue Leader

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You could, but then you'd be arguing with the detailed part under Corsair, which already exists anyway. I'm basically looking to do a quick summary of what the detailed explanation gives you, for those who might not want to wade through as much text and the technical reasons why something is good or bad.

What you're describing (with your example in your prior post) is the Tier list, sorted differently.

We need to let this one go.
 

Darkbreeze

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Looking at that, it is simply a PER BRAND tier list, and while that is certainly something that could be done, and to some degree I do that, it's not done in as structured a manner or as extensively. I think, for me anyhow, the minute you get too much structure, you attract the kind of attention you don't want. The minute you try to get too much structure, you incur the sort of hours and hours of time investment that "I" don't want. LOL.
 
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Dont buy PSUS from COOLERMASTER they are a fan and heatsink company at the most. If you buy anything expensive or critical for your pc prepare for bad customer support bad RMA unusable software!!!Stay away
 

NightHawkRMX

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IIRC i have seen reviews of cm psus with mispelling on the packaging.

If a company does not care enough to hire a competant translator and spell check, do you think they really put much care into the insides of the psu?

Now yea, this is littered with misspellings, but im not paid for this, nor do i design psus.
 

Darkbreeze

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DONT BUY PSUS FROM COOLERMASTER THEY ARE A FAN AND COOLER COMPANY AT THE MOST. IF YOU BUY ANYTHING EXPENSIVE PREPARE FOR BAD CUSTOMER SUPPORT BAD RMA UNUSABLE SOFWARE!!!! STAY AWAY THEY REBRAND PSUS AND SELLING THEM DOUBLE THE PRICE
And how is it that you are qualified to say anything about what Cooler master IS or IS NOT, when you didn't even know that none of their units were not made by Super Flower? I guess you just like to go around ranting in all caps about things you are actually clueless about?
 
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And how is it that you are qualified to say anything about what Cooler master IS or IS NOT, when you didn't even know that none of their units were not made by Super Flower? I guess you just like to go around ranting in all caps about things you are actually clueless about?
Excuse my capitalization but I had just read an answer to a ticket I have left for more than a month at coolermaster customer support to answer and I was infuriated.
For the last two years I have had trouble first hand with my MASTERWATT 1200 psu. The unit is noisy and fan is by default always on. Even if you are lucky enough to find the CM connect software, you find yourselp with a pile of poorly coded xml garbage with proprietary dlls. In short you cannot save profiles or a custom fan curve and the most you can get from the application is monitoring your consumption and fan speed...Oh the Irony.... So my 2500$ workstation with a 450$ PSU sounds like my 1998 pc. Unless I set everything up IN EVERY RESTART... Or after sleep or whenever it randomly resets... for instance during a recording session. Right.

Please evaluate their reply to my message explaining that I am an audio engineer and I cant keep your psu silent so I can work.
..... our revised masterwatt plus series has new software and it works!!! sorry for the inconvenience do you want a mouse or a couple of fans as a compensation. I will gladly post the whole conversation if they give me more of this nonsense.

I am sorry for spreading misinformation about Flowerpower. The vendor that sold me the psu gave me incorrect info. I have to thank a member of the forum for pointing out yesterday that the 80+titanium series are made by Enhance Electronics. thanks again
 

Darkbreeze

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Perhaps you should have done your homework BEFORE you purchased a 450 dollar power supply, not after. Because if you HAD, you'd have found a lot of agreement that among the more well known "brands", there isn't a lot of favor for Cooler Master or Thermaltake at the top of the product stack due to their being better, and cheaper options from other companies like Corsair, Seasonic, EVGA, Silverstone and depending on where you live, Super Flower. Even potentially Rosewill for that matter, with their Capstone M units.

Even the fact that the unit in question is made by Enhance isn't necessarily a direct reflection on Enhance. Manufacturers often build to whatever specifications the brand wants a unit built TO, so if they want a unit built cheap or if they want corners cut, that's what they get. Not that Enhance is one of the best manufacturers out there but they have both good and bad platforms as well, just like pretty much everybody.
 

4745454b

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I used google translate on my phone and pointed it at my monitor. Odd way to read something.

So it's made by HEC, same people who did the VS model. VS is 80+ white, and this is 80+ bronze. So it sounds like it's an updated VS model and not CX related at all. What's odd is they already have a good 80+ bronze model, the CX, so I'm not sure where this is supposed to sit in the product stack. (I'm also surprised. I thought the VS was an 80+ gold unit that was based on ancient designs? What was Corsairs bad 80+ gold unit?)
 

bignastyid

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I used google translate on my phone and pointed it at my monitor. Odd way to read something.

So it's made by HEC, same people who did the VS model. VS is 80+ white, and this is 80+ bronze. So it sounds like it's an updated VS model and not CX related at all. What's odd is they already have a good 80+ bronze model, the CX, so I'm not sure where this is supposed to sit in the product stack. (I'm also surprised. I thought the VS was an 80+ gold unit that was based on ancient designs? What was Corsairs bad 80+ gold unit?)
Maybe following EVGA's lead of flooding the market with a bunch of nearly redundant models.
 

NightHawkRMX

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Reminds me of an EVGA BT since its an entry-level 80+ Bronze model based on an HEC platform.

Pricing seems fair, although I would prefer it to not be entirely group regulated.

It comes it at similar to VS pricing, so the added efficiency is welcome.

$55 for 550w.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0838YKLCS?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1&pldnSite=1

Depending on its availability in foreign regions, it may be a good choice for some
 

NightHawkRMX

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I used google translate on my phone and pointed it at my monitor. Odd way to read something.

So it's made by HEC, same people who did the VS model. VS is 80+ white, and this is 80+ bronze. So it sounds like it's an updated VS model and not CX related at all. What's odd is they already have a good 80+ bronze model, the CX, so I'm not sure where this is supposed to sit in the product stack. (I'm also surprised. I thought the VS was an 80+ gold unit that was based on ancient designs? What was Corsairs bad 80+ gold unit?)
You know chrome for desktop has translate built-in and will translate entire webpages correct?

I don't know of a terrible Corsair 80+ gold. The GS were decent for their time at least.
 

4745454b

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FF user. I only Chrome on my phone.

I thought for sure they had a 80+ gold that was only barely gold. It was group regulated and had a high ripple among other issues. I thought it was the VS. I'll have to update myself and remember VS is white.
 

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