News PowerColor RX 7800 XT Listing Confirms 3,840 Shaders, 16GB VRAM

[Admin]

PowerColor accidentally reveals Red Devil AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT ahead of official launch.

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[gg83]

What do we think? Could be market breaking or a major disappointment.

 

[HideOut]

Why put 3 DP ports if you can only use 2?

 

[Jagar123]

What do we think? Could be market breaking or a major disappointment.

Once the reviews hit we'll see how it actually performs. It all comes down to price. At $450 I think it sounds like a good deal on paper. I don't think this sells well at all for anything over $500.

 

[Alvar "Miles" Udell]

4070 levels of performance are probable, the problem is pricing. The 4070 12GB is $600. 4GB more VRAM compared to the lack of nVidia specific features, do you price it at $550 and not care if it sells because you're making bank off AI, or price it at $500 and attempt to actually sell them. Even at $500 is that additional 4GB VRAM worth losing nVidia specific features?

 

[oofdragon]

4070 levels of performance are probable, the problem is pricing. The 4070 12GB is $600. 4GB more VRAM compared to the lack of nVidia specific features, do you price it at $550 and not care if it sells because you're making bank off AI, or price it at $500 and attempt to actually sell them. Even at $500 is that additional 4GB VRAM worth losing nVidia specific features?

As someone who see RT and FG as gimmicks and as someone who do not care about DLSS or FSR I would buy the 7800XT even if it were priced at $600 because 16GB is worth way way more than the gimmicks. In real world though people care about those said features, pricing it between $500 and $550 should be the case then, even it being superior to Nvidia ok raster

 

[oofdragon]

So it's just a rehash 6800XX? Suddenly I dont care about AMD anymore

 

[z0d]

Once the reviews hit we'll see how it actually performs. It all comes down to price. At $450 I think it sounds like a good deal on paper. I don't think this sells well at all for anything over $500.

Yeah but I still think it will be $600 at least.

 

[Jagar123]

Yeah but I still think it will be $600 at least.

I imagine they'll try selling it for $550 and after a month or so it'll dip down to $450-$500. It's the AMD way.

 

[TJ Hooker]

Why put 3 DP ports if you can only use 2?

It says only two DP 2.1 connections can be supported at once. My guess would be that if you're using all three DP ports, the third will only support DP 1.4 bandwidth.

 

[tommtajlor]

I hope its just an error on the product page. Otherwise I am afraid it will be on par with 6800XT, best case scenario. So hopefully with theese specs it is the 7800 non xt. Anyaway, max 500 usd

 

[ezst036]

So it's just a rehash 6800XX?

I do not believe the article insinuated that this new card sports an RDNA2 chip.

 

[ilukey77]

What do we think? Could be market breaking or a major disappointment.

16gb has already beaten most if not all of the lower end Nvidia rubbish !!

 

[ilukey77]

Yeah but I still think it will be $600 at least.

hopefully not personally i think AMD are in the box seat to knock everything under the 4090 off the table 7800xt vs the 4060 16gb the 7900xt is against the 4070ti and the 7900xtx vs the 4080 .. everything else Nvidia is just a scam and not worth buying !! ( excluding the 4090 of course )
like the 7600 4060 8 gb and the stock 4070 are all scam products aimed squarely at poorer gamers to make a dollar off them !!

 

[Elusive Ruse]

Once the reviews hit we'll see how it actually performs. It all comes down to price. At $450 I think it sounds like a good deal on paper. I don't think this sells well at all for anything over $500.

The 4070 is $600 as long as the 7800XT beats that card it would be an absolute steal at $500. $450 "sounds" like a good deal? lol

 

[Scalios]

As someone who see RT and FG as gimmicks and as someone who do not care about DLSS or FSR I would buy the 7800XT even if it were priced at $600 because 16GB is worth way way more than the gimmicks. In real world though people care about those said features, pricing it between $500 and $550 should be the case then, even it being superior to Nvidia ok raster

For me personally, the nvidia features are also not interesting. RT only really looks good in Cyberpunk and the performance hit is huge. As soon as FSR 3 comes, AMD also has FG (worse?). Also I don't really care for neither DLSS or FSR. I would only use them if in single player games, my framerate is low.
The main advantage the 4070 right now has for me over the 6800 XT is the power draw.

Here in Europe the 6800 XT cost 550€, so for me 550 € is the max the new card should cost. Probably 500$ in the USA I guess then.

 

[palladin9479]

The 4070 and 4070ti both have 192 bit memory bus's, the 7800 XT is looking to have a 256 bit memory bus, that is a pretty hefty advantage in raw GPU render performance.

And stop focusing on memory count, instead look at bus width, it will tell you what to expect.

 

[bit_user]

The 4070 and 4070ti both have 192 bit memory bus's, the 7800 XT is looking to have a 256 bit memory bus, that is a pretty hefty advantage in raw GPU render performance.

Except AMD is using only 18 Gbps GDDR6, while the RTX 4070 uses 21 Gbps GDDR6X. That narrows AMD's bandwidth advantage to only 14.3%.

The RTX 4070 Ti has 48 MB of L2 cache. Let's see what AMD gives the RX 7800 XT. The RX 6800 and above all had 128 MB, but my guess is the RX 7800 XT won't have more than 64 MB.

Overall, I'm not sure this is going to look good compared to the RX 6800 XT. The RX 7800 XT is projected to have only 83% as many shaders, which you could compensate for with 20% higher clocks, but that's just to achieve parity. So, shader clocks are going to have to be way higher for this to show much improvement on shader-bound workloads. And then the memory bandwidth is only 12.5% higher, as noted in the article.

And stop focusing on memory count, instead look at bus width, it will tell you want to expect.

width * speed = bandwidth

Also, RDNA2 used large L2 caches to effectively compensate for lower bandwidth than its Nvidia counterparts, but the impact of cache is harder to estimate.

 

[bit_user]

What do we think? Could be market breaking or a major disappointment.

It depends entirely on price, at this point. On that front, the name is what has me worried.

Let's take a step back and recall what happened with the RTX 4060. It's powered by the AD107 GPU, which seems clearly designed to go into a RTX 4050 product. However, due to inflation, cost/design targets, and the state of the GPU market, Nvidia figured it was too expensive to sell as a RTX 4050 Ti or whatever, so they just called it the RTX 4060. What would've been a decent step up for a x050-tier card became almost a lateral move, as a x060-tier card.

Looking at the specs gives me the same feeling about the RX 7800 XT. I think AMD originally planned to sell the RX 7900 GRE as the RX 7800 XT, but it would've been too expensive for the current market climate. So, what they did was to take a GPU intended to sell as the RX 7700 XT and instead sell it as the RX 7800 XT, in order to justify their launch price.

It does look like a good step up from the RX 6750 XT, which had a MSRP of $550. However, I expect only a marginal improvement from the RX 6800 XT. It certainly should be faster, or else it'd be dead in the water, but maybe just like 10% or 20%?

Another reason we should worry about this is by looking at the other monolithic example of a RDNA 3 GPU - the RX 7600. It's made on TSMC N6, has a fairly modest base clock, and has only 16 MB of L2 cache. If the RX 7800 XT doesn't clock much above the RX 6800 XT (remember it probably needs at least 20% just to compensate for fewer shaders), it's sure not going to be much faster. Worse yet, if it has only like 32 MB of L2 cache compared to 36 (or 48) MB in the RTX 4070 (Ti), then that deficit could really hamper its native 14.3% bandwidth advantage.

Assuming I'm right about their plans for the RX 7800 XT and RX 7700 XT, here's how their cache quantities would look, across their lineup:

Planned Model	Actual Model	Cache (MiB)
RX 7600	RX 7600	16
RX 7700 XT	RX 7800 XT	32
RX 7800 XT	RX 7900 GRE	64
RX 7900 XT	RX 7900 XT	80
RX 7900 XTX	RX 7900 XTX	96

So, if I'm right that this GPU was designed be sold as the RX 7700 XT, then that strongly suggests a paltry 32 MB of cache.

 

[Jagar123]

The 4070 is $600 as long as the 7800XT beats that card it would be an absolute steal at $500. $450 "sounds" like a good deal? lol

I'm not buying the 4070 at $600. I also wouldn't buy one at $500. So at $450 if the 7800XT beats the 4070 it does indeed sound like a good deal. With only estimations on performance that is why I put sounds in italics.

You can disagree with me about how much a product is worth to you, but to me that is what these products are worth.

 

[ilukey77]

Except AMD is using only 18 Gbps GDDR6, while the RTX 4070 uses 21 Gbps GDDR6X. That narrows AMD's bandwidth advantage to only 14.3%.

The RTX 4070 Ti has 48 MB of L2 cache. Let's see what AMD gives the RX 7800 XT. The RX 6800 and above all had 128 MB, but my guess is the RX 7800 XT won't have more than 64 MB.

Overall, I'm not sure this is going to look good compared to the RX 6800 XT. The RX 7800 XT is projected to have only 83% as many shaders, which you could compensate for with 20% higher clocks, but that's just to achieve parity. So, shader clocks are going to have to be way higher for this to show much improvement on shader-bound workloads. And then the memory bandwidth is only 12.5% higher, as noted in the article.


width * speed = bandwidth

Also, RDNA2 used large L2 caches to effectively compensate for lower bandwidth than its Nvidia counterparts, but the impact of cache is harder to estimate.

yeah but the 7900xt is the 4070ti competitor in which case despite RT the 7900xt is a better buy ..
I think the 7800xt is going to be aimed squarely ( or at least should be ) at the 4060ti 16gb in which case its almost a no brainer on what to buy !!

Nvidia have a habit of pushing out rubbish to consumers to up sell there better products ( quite alot last gen and the lower class 4060 cards this gen ) the BS AMD pulled with the 7900xt at launch it was always aimed at the now 4070ti 4080 12 gb but they used the higher price because at the time Nvidia backed out of the 4080 12 gb due to customer hate to upsell the 7900xtx !!

which i think lost AMD sales as soon ( and I MEAN as soon ) as the 4070ti was released AMD should have dumped the price of the 7900xt to under MSRP of the 4070ti giving people the option of a cheaper better Vram card !!
but they didnt !!