Pre-Crowning Mechanics (SPOILY!)

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Spoiler Space
Ichi
Ni
San
Shi
Go
Roku
Shichi
Hachi
Kyuu
Juu
Juu-ichi
Juu-ni
Juu-san
Juu-shi
Juu-go
Juu-roku
Juu-shichi
Juu-hachi
Juu-kyuu
Ni-Juu
Ni-Juu-ichi

Recently, I've gotten better and better at pacifying the big room
before generating any artifacts, and controlling herb generation in
such a fashion as to allow me to fairly easily generate enough herbs to
get pre-crownings.

Unfortunately, at this point I can only see how to realistically
generate two, very maybe three, pre-crownings (piety abuse isn't really
under consideration here). Do people here think it'd be worth skipping
the Pyramid in order to nail the level-18 precrowning?

Also, I've seen people generate far more pre-crownings than I have in
the same interval. In my understanding, you can become precrowned if
your level is greater than or equal to 6 + (Number of Artifacts
Generated) * 6. Is this wrong, and are there any loopholes? As far as
I can tell, once you've gotten the second or if you skip the pyramid,
third precrowning, it becomes just about impossible to get more, due to
generation of the scythe, RotHK, Elemental Gauntlets, etc, etc. Any
advice on getting more, or should I just content myself with two
artifacts?

Brian

 

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Netbrian wrote:
> Spoiler Space
> Ichi
> Ni
> San
> Shi
> Go
> Roku
> Shichi
> Hachi
> Kyuu
> Juu
> Juu-ichi
> Juu-ni
> Juu-san
> Juu-shi
> Juu-go
> Juu-roku
> Juu-shichi
> Juu-hachi
> Juu-kyuu
> Ni-Juu
> Ni-Juu-ichi
>
> Also, I've seen people generate far more pre-crownings than I have in
> the same interval. In my understanding, you can become precrowned if
> your level is greater than or equal to 6 + (Number of Artifacts
> Generated) * 6. Is this wrong, and are there any loopholes? As far
as
> I can tell, once you've gotten the second or if you skip the pyramid,
> third precrowning, it becomes just about impossible to get more, due
to
> generation of the scythe, RotHK, Elemental Gauntlets, etc, etc. Any
> advice on getting more, or should I just content myself with two
> artifacts?
>
> Brian

The actual formula is 8 + 3 * Number of Generated Artifacts. This makes
for possible precrownings at levels 8, 11, 14, 17, and so forth. 17 is
the point at which the pyramid is closed off, though. This is generally
gotten around by getting all needed piety for this precrowning,
entering the pyramid, and then praying at the top level before killing
Rhepetep, and thereby generating two more.

Cheers

 

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Sean Mattox wrote:
> Netbrian wrote:
>
>>Spoiler Space
>>Ichi
>>Ni
>>San
>>Shi
>>Go
>>Roku
>>Shichi
>>Hachi
>>Kyuu
>>Juu
>>Juu-ichi
>>Juu-ni
>>Juu-san
>>Juu-shi
>>Juu-go
>>Juu-roku
>>Juu-shichi
>>Juu-hachi
>>Juu-kyuu
>>Ni-Juu
>>Ni-Juu-ichi
>>
>>Also, I've seen people generate far more pre-crownings than I have in
>>the same interval. In my understanding, you can become precrowned if
>>your level is greater than or equal to 6 + (Number of Artifacts
>>Generated) * 6. Is this wrong, and are there any loopholes? As far
>
> as
>
>>I can tell, once you've gotten the second or if you skip the pyramid,
>>third precrowning, it becomes just about impossible to get more, due
>
> to
>
>>generation of the scythe, RotHK, Elemental Gauntlets, etc, etc. Any
>>advice on getting more, or should I just content myself with two
>>artifacts?

> The actual formula is 8 + 3 * Number of Generated Artifacts. This makes
> for possible precrownings at levels 8, 11, 14, 17, and so forth. 17 is
> the point at which the pyramid is closed off, though. This is generally
> gotten around by getting all needed piety for this precrowning,
> entering the pyramid, and then praying at the top level before killing
> Rhepetep, and thereby generating two more.

Yup. Get precrowned at level 8, 11 and 14 in the usual manner. Then
harvest a ton of herbs, and get to level 16, almost level 17. Sac
tons of herbs, then enter the pyramid, gain level 17, and pray for
the final precrowning, BEFORE killing the mummy lord. It takes a
lot of work, I've done it a couple of times, mainly when going for
an ultra ending and wanting many spare artifacts.

 

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"Netbrian" <netbrian@subdimension.com> wrote in
news:1108416000.102981.141830@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:

> Spoiler Space
> Ichi
> Ni
> San
> Shi
> Go
> Roku
> Shichi
> Hachi
> Kyuu
> Juu
> Juu-ichi
> Juu-ni
> Juu-san
> Juu-shi
> Juu-go
> Juu-roku
> Juu-shichi
> Juu-hachi
> Juu-kyuu
> Ni-Juu
> Ni-Juu-ichi
>
> Also, I've seen people generate far more pre-crownings than I have in
> the same interval. In my understanding, you can become precrowned if
> your level is greater than or equal to 6 + (Number of Artifacts
> Generated) * 6. Is this wrong, and are there any loopholes?

The correct equation is 8+3👎 where n is the number of artifacts
generated. It is therefore possible to get pre-crowning artifacts at levels
9, 11, 14 and 17. The trick with the pyramid is to get just under the
amount of experience required to push you to level 17, then gain sufficient
piety for another pre-crowning, enter the pyramid, gain the experience to
push you over the level boundary and then pray. I myself have never managed
this, but others with more patience than I do it.

 

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Netbrian wrote:
> Spoiler Space
> Ichi
> Ni
> San
> Shi
> Go
> Roku
> Shichi
> Hachi
> Kyuu
> Juu
> Juu-ichi
> Juu-ni
> Juu-san
> Juu-shi
> Juu-go
> Juu-roku
> Juu-shichi
> Juu-hachi
> Juu-kyuu
> Ni-Juu
> Ni-Juu-ichi
>
> Recently, I've gotten better and better at pacifying the big room
> before generating any artifacts, and controlling herb generation in
> such a fashion as to allow me to fairly easily generate enough herbs to
> get pre-crownings.
>
> Unfortunately, at this point I can only see how to realistically
> generate two, very maybe three, pre-crownings (piety abuse isn't really
> under consideration here). Do people here think it'd be worth skipping
> the Pyramid in order to nail the level-18 precrowning?

In addition to what other people have written to correct the formula,
let me say that I don't think it's worth the effort.

Sure, artifacts are nice and all that, but you can win the game
perfectly well without getting precrowned at all. Since additional
precrownings get progressively more tedious, I wouldn't bother with more
than one or two except under very special circumstances.

Malte

 

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anxious triffid wrote:
> "Netbrian" <netbrian@subdimension.com> wrote in
> news:1108416000.102981.141830@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>>Spoiler Space
>>Ichi
>>Ni
>>San
>>Shi
>>Go
>>Roku
>>Shichi
>>Hachi
>>Kyuu
>>Juu
>>Juu-ichi
>>Juu-ni
>>Juu-san
>>Juu-shi
>>Juu-go
>>Juu-roku
>>Juu-shichi
>>Juu-hachi
>>Juu-kyuu
>>Ni-Juu
>>Ni-Juu-ichi
>>
>>Also, I've seen people generate far more pre-crownings than I have in
>>the same interval. In my understanding, you can become precrowned if
>>your level is greater than or equal to 6 + (Number of Artifacts
>>Generated) * 6. Is this wrong, and are there any loopholes?
>
> The correct equation is 8+3👎 where n is the number of artifacts
> generated. It is therefore possible to get pre-crowning artifacts at levels
> 9, 11, 14 and 17.

Just to avoid confusion: 9 -> 8.

Malte