premiere build research

[jhsatt]

still working on this.
too many choices!
i7 4770k- cpu
asrock z87 extreme 4- mb
corsair cx600m -psu
wd blue 1tb- hd
Samsung evo 120 gb -ssd
corsair 300r- case
Kingston 1x8 ddr3 1600
asus gforce gtx 760 2mb video
am I good so far?
more ram in the near future

 

[okcnaline]

It's okay. If you are going with research, go with Xeon processors. E5. Those do a faster and powerful job.

 

[geofelt]

What is the main use of this build?
Assuming it is for gaming, I would back off to a i5-4670K and a stronger GTX770 graphics card. You will game better.
The CX600 is cheap, in both senses of the word.
It is OK, but I would go with a better quality unit .

Buy a 2 stick ram kit of 2 x 4gb to get dual channel operation.
If you will ever want more ram, get 16gb, 2 x 8gb up front. No ram vendor will support mixed kits.

120gb is fine, but it can fill up quickly. I suggest 240gb up front, and deferring on the hard drive. It is easy to add one later if you ever need it.

 

[okcnaline]

He says it's used for research.

So go with a Xeon E5 CPU. Get it wit ~2.5 Ghz, as any higher would not be much useful.

 

[geofelt]

He says it's used for research.

So go with a Xeon E5 CPU. Get it wit ~2.5 Ghz, as any higher would not be much useful.

You might be right.....
but I interpreted the title as he is researching a new build for a high end build.
From the inclusion of a strong graphics card, I think he is researching a gaming build.

 

[okcnaline]

True, I think we should wait for his reply.

I would go with FX-9xxx and a GTX 780Ti.

And if it's research or enterprise-grade CAD stuff, then go with a FirePro or Quadro.

 

[jhsatt]

SORRY! I meant I am researching a build. Putting the parts together to do some video editing. My mistake. I'm cool with the ram change. How about a different psu?

 

[AgentTran]

The one you've listed is fine, but I would recommend a higher quality one, preferbly one from Seasonic, XFX, other Corsair models (AX, HX) and Antec.

 

[geofelt]

For video editing, a 4770K with a mild overclock is about as good as it gets reasonably.

Also, lots of ram helps. Look for a 2 x 8gb kit. The ram speed matters little.
Usually 1600 or 1866 speed costs about the same as 1333.

GTX760 is vary good card for gaming.
But, for video editing, You can do with any lesser card.
If your editing app can use CUDA, check to see how many CUDA cores can be used. It is likely less than what a GTX760 has.

I might pick the newly announced GTX750.

If you use a GTX760, you will want about a 500w psu. Pick a quality brand from tier 1 or 2 on this list:
http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/323050.aspx

 

[okcnaline]

Can you give me a budget? I'll build a list for you with dual GPUs.

 

[jhsatt]

Budget is $1200.00. Will be running Adobe Production Premium CS6 and Win 7 or 8

 

[bambiboom]

jhsatt,

Premiere CS6 can be quite demanding and as the file size is usually large, I recommend LGA2011 for bandwidth an plenty of RAM. Importantly, Premiere recently has become multi-core capable so having LGA2011 means the possibility of 6, 8, or 10 core CPUs in the future. The graphics card is important too especially if you're effects processing and if possible look for a 256-bit or greater card- bandwidth, bandwidth. Two older cards are especially good for video editing, the Quadro FX5800 which was made for the purpose of video editing and Adobe CS, has 4GB RAM and is 512- bit and the GTX 580, 384-bit 3GB which may also be run in SLI on an SLI capable system.

Here is a suggestion>

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1. CPU > Intel Xeon Quad-Core Processor E5-1620 v2 3.7 / 3.9GHz 0GT/s 10MB LGA 2011 CPU, OEM> $295 (Superbiiz) (Passmark CPU score= 9199, rank = No. 38)

2. CPU Cooler > Cooler Master Hyper T4 - CPU Cooler with 4 Direct Contact Heatpipes > $30 (The Stock CPU coolers are supposed to be sufficient, but I've seen terrifying temperatures when rendering.)

3. ASRock X79 Extreme3 LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard $200

4. 16GB RAM > (2 X8GB) Kingston 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) ECC Registered Server Memory > $190 (The 2 X 8GB allows another 16GB to be added later.)

5. AMD 100-505649(100-505844) FirePro V4900 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 Workstation Video Card > $155.

5A > OPT'L > Quadro FX 5800 (512-bit, 4GB) about $200
5B> OPT'L > GTX 580 3GB ( 384-bit,3GB) about $160

6. SAMSUNG 840 EVO MZ-7TE120BW 2.5" 120GB SATA III TLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) > $85

7. WD BLACK SERIES WD1003FZEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive> $89.

8. CORSAIR CXM series CX500M 500W ATX12V v2.3 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply > $60

9. Case > LIAN LI PC-7B plus II Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case $70.

10. Optical Dr > SAMSUNG DVD Burner 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM SATA Model SH-224DB/BEBE - OEM > $20

10A> OPT'L> ASUS Black 12X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 12X DVD-RAM 8X BD-ROM 4MB Cache SATA Blu-ray Burner BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS > $80

TOTAL = $1,194 or $1,254 with Blu-Ray

Cheers,

BambiBoom

HP z420 (2014) > Xeon E5-1620 quad core @ 3.6 / 3.8GHz > 24GB ECC 1600 RAM > Quadro 4000 (2GB)> Samsung 840 SSD 250GB /Western Digital Black WD1003FZEX 1TB> M-Audio 192 sound card > AE3000 USB WiFi > HP 2711X, 27" 1920 X 1080 > Windows 7 Ultimate 64 >[Passmark system rating = 3923, 2D= 839 / 3D=2048]

Dell Precision T5400 (2008) > 2X Xeon X5460 quad core @3.16GHz > 16GB ECC 667> Quadro FX 4800 (1.5GB) > WD RE4 500GB / Seagate Barracuda 500GB > M-Audio 2496 Sound Card / Linksys 600N WiFi > Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit >[Passmark system rating = 1859, 2D= 512 / 3D=1097]

2D, 3D CAD, Image Processing, Rendering, Text > Architecture, industrial design, graphic design, written projects [AutoCad, Revit, 3ds Max, Vray, Solidworks, Inventor, Sketchup, Adobe CS, WordPerfect, MS Office]

 

[okcnaline]

The only problem I have with Xeon E5 is that they have low speeds and high prices.

AMD:
With 8 Cores: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3hFme
With 6 Cores: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3hFui

Intel:
Xeon E3: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3icw3
Credits to bambiboom for telling me to use E3-1270

 

[bambiboom]

The only problem I have with Xeon E5 is that they have low speeds and high prices.

With 8 Cores: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3hFme
With 6 Cores: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3hFui

okcnaline,

Xeon E5 that are configured for multiple CPU's are typically expensive when having high clock speeds, but the E5-1600 series are fast and reasonably priced, e.g., the quad core E5-1620 v2 which is 3.7 / 3.9GHz for $295 and the six-core E5-1650 is a 3.5 / 3.9 at $580. I think you would agree that 3.5, 3.7, and 3.9 GHz CPU's are not slow processors.

For comparison, the quad core i7-4820K Ivy Bridge-E 3.7GHz / 3.9GHz costs $325 and the six core i7-4960X Ivy Bridge-E 3.6 / 4GHz is $1,050. In both cases, the Xeon of similar clock speed is less expensive than the equivalent i7. Of course, the ability to overclock the K and X models is useful in gaming, but not in a workstation use because of the long running times using all cores and other reliability factors.

As well, it's important to remember that this thread concerns a system of $1,200 total cost, so there is no consideration of dual processors or 8-cores.

I like AMD processors for their great cost / performance, and the clock speeds are good- though not higher than the 1600 Xeons- but AMD do not have the same calculation density not memory bandwidth of Xeon E5's. On Passmark Performance Test >

AMD FX-8320 8 cores / 8 threads Score = 8101 Ranking = No, 102
AMD FX-6300 6 cores / 6 threads Score = 6387 Ranking = No. 187

E5-1620 v2 4 cores / 8 threads Score = 9546 Ranking = No. 52

-plus the LGA2011 socket can be upgraded to a true 6 core 12 thread or 8 core / 16 thread CPU

And, as well, the way cores are counted, the FX-6300 would be the equivalent number of threads as a 3-core Intel- if they were made- and the FX 8320 is of course the same as a hyperthreading quad core Intel. The FX-8320 has about 15% lower performance but at $100 less- so the cost / performance is significantly better. Still, for this CPU intensive application, it seems more important to have a solid CPU foundation and the ability to up the thread count.

Cheers,

BambiBoom

 

[okcnaline]

I understand those are workstation/server grade processors. But 1.8 Ghz, the cheapest Xeon E5 on the block, is way too UNDERPOWERED compared to even the top E3 with a higher clock. (Xeon E3-1275 V3, Xeon E5-2603 V2) Or it's just me using PCPartPicker too much. They don't have E5-1xxx there.

Thanks for the knowledge!!!

 

[bambiboom]

okcnaline,

The world of workstation components can be frustrating, because the gaming / consumer equivalents have btter performance in certain ways but are significantly less expensive. For example, NVIDIA released the Quadro K6000 GPU with 2880 CUDA cores and the same processor as the 6GB Titan, but with 12GB of RAM and costs $5,000 to the Titan's $1,000. Now there is a new 7-series GTX with two processors like a GTX 690, 5,600 cores, the 12GB, so it's a double Titan one chassis, but at $3,000. Of course, it's a strange economy- two Titans for the price of three but still $2,000 less than one K6000.

Xeon E3's are the working version of i5, except E3's are hyperthreading. They typically have very healthy clock speeds and are economical. I tend to favor Xeon E5's because the memory bandwidth is more than doubled (56 to 25), there can be 40 PCIe lanes to E3's 16, and LGA 2100 means the ability to use 6, 8 , or 10 cores.

With Xeons, the 1600-series which are high performers for l a cost similar or less than i7 are used in systems like Dell Precision T3610 and HP z420, but not widely promoted for individual builders. There are a lot of components not available on Partpicker. It's possible Intel wants to focus on the expensive ones (surprised!), but there may be other factors having to do with the fewer blanks that meet Xeon specification.

I've read that all LGA2011 CPU's are eight core and capable of dual CPU, but are bin selected to be 4, six,or 8 cores, for speed, and whether the dual CPU feature is enabled- so all the chip begin equally, but some become high core count, faster ones.

Still, it's frustrating. I thought of building a dual 6-core Xeon E5-2643 v2 system and Intel lists the bin price at $1,552 each, but they are not available anywhere for less than $2,100, and up to $2,800. That's not only a lot, it's as much or more than an E5-2687W v2, which is the same clock speed but 8-cores!

Good discussion. Strange world.

Cheers,

Bambiboom