Prescott OK on current mobos.

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Yah, and it also depends on whether Intel can convince the market if the strongly expected performance lead is worth the expense of having two systems: 1) Itanium 2 / 2) P4/Xeon, over having one cheaper but slower processor (Opteron/Athlon 64), that's compatible of handling both 32 and 64-bit code.

My system: Intel Pentium 4 3.0, 800FSB / TwinMOS 1Gb DDR400 / MSI *argh* / Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro / Antec True Power 550W / 2x Western Digital Raptor / Hercules G.T XP /
SamsungDVD / Lite-On CDRW
 
$1200 is not too extreme for being an Itanium 2 CPU. That's just a few hundred dollars more than a high-end P4. Hence to why I think it's getting quite affordable. Hey, if more 64-bit programs would come out, I'd personally probably start saving up for an Itanium 2.
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My feelings exactly.

Anyhow, I've got some news here: I sent an e-mail to Evan Lieb - the guy who posted the news at anandtech regarding prescott's incompatibility - yesterday asking about VIN voltages in current Intel public electrical SPECS, on the odd chance that he might answer.

And guess what? He did. There you go:
I don’t see it mentioned in that particular PDF. I’m not sure how up-to-date that PDF is though.

By the way, just so you know, motherboard/chipset/GPU/etc. manufacturers in general that work close with Intel in supporting their desktop processors usually receive Intel white papers that are not available online for the public to read. Therefore, some details (such as Prescott-specific VIN) will not be disclosed. However, I have not read every Intel PDF on their web site mentioning Prescott, so the VIN issue may already have been addressed by Intel online or somewhere else (publicly available).
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Well, thanks a lot for answering, Evan Lieb. Very "lieb" of you. :smile:

Anyway, I'm sorry to say that that doesn't really shed any new light on the subject... But tomorrow is monday, and someone ought to do something to clear this mess up.

<font color=red><b>M</b></font color=red>ephistopheles
 
Yah, and it also depends on whether Intel can convince the market if the strongly expected performance lead is worth the expense of having two systems: 1) Itanium 2 / 2) P4/Xeon, over having one cheaper but slower processor (Opteron/Athlon 64), that's compatible of handling both 32 and 64-bit code.
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That is an interesting notion. I guess the guys at Intel could exploit Itanium's strengths as a workstation a bit more - but they probably know that by now. A typical workstation is not required to run lots of programs - heck, I use a SGI workstation that runs mainly one very heavy program, maybe two! And maybe an occasional web browser here or there.

<font color=red><b>M</b></font color=red>ephistopheles
 
My feelings exactly.
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Ah, onto beautiful dreams of Intel-ligent 64-bit gaming :smile:
...Or AMD 64-bit gaming for that matter.

Well, thanks a lot for answering, Evan Lieb. Very "lieb" of you.

Anyway, I'm sorry to say that that doesn't really shed any new light on the subject... But tomorrow is monday, and someone out to do something to clear this mess up.
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Yeah, hopefully. I'm in for a bad rush now, as I'm getting rid of my MSI board, and I for one, must have this issue solved so that I may get a Prescott-compatible mainboard, preferably right away, as I'm upgrading in October if I have the money.


My system: Intel Pentium 4 3.0, 800FSB / TwinMOS 1Gb DDR400 / MSI *argh* / Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro / Antec True Power 550W / 2x Western Digital Raptor / Hercules G.T XP /
SamsungDVD / Lite-On CDRW
 
i have monitored your posts for a while... your an Intel fanboy no doubt... but your tolerable because your not an [-peep-] and you dont flame AMD. U like INTEL and thats fine with me. You dont have a need to put down anything or anyone who isnt in love INTEL. You are a rare INTEL
fanboy.

come over to the lab forum http://www.webvelosix.com and see some hardcore INTELLIOTS at work flaming AMD.
 
Well, popegoldx, I had the impression you were going to say that. I do not have fanboyish attitudes. I admire Opteron's architecture, I understand its strengths (32-bit backwards compatibility is one of the most important ones) and I appreciate competition amongst Intel and AMD very much. I also understand Itanium's advantages and P4's strengths, as well as Athlon XP's strong FPU with all code, for instance.

And I do not appreciate anyone calling me a fanboy. I have a perception of things, and if my perception is deluded, please clarify. But coming here and calling me "fanboy" is a bit insulting (I'm not offended, but I don't like it) because it's almost as if you're judging people, giving your final verdict on them, without any explaining... I, for instance, always disagree with what I find to be disagreeable (duh) but never call anyone "fanboy".

<font color=red><b>M</b></font color=red>ephistopheles
 
nothing wrong with being a fanboy... so i didnt mean to insult or put u down if thats how u took it.

we all are fans of something....or someone.... we all LIKES some things over something else

if you believe your 100% unbiased and like intel and AMD equally.. i will take u at your word

but i have seen hardcore intelliots and AMDroids hide under the mantle of being UNBIASED... so forgive my unfair judgement

i just depise hypocrisy... and i am sure you have seen it.. where company A does something and its horrible...but when company b does the exact some things its "a good thing"
 
i just depise hypocrisy... and i am sure you have seen it.. where company A does something and its horrible...but when company b does the exact some things its "a good thing"
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Yes, I've seen that. I try to avoid this kind of behaviour... Things like that always start in a subtle way, and that's why we have to pay attention to ourselves in that regard!

<font color=red><b>M</b></font color=red>ephistopheles
 
popegoldx, no offense, but you <i>obviously</i> don't know the working definition of 'fanboy'.

A 'fanboy' is someone who blindly follows their beloved company with a faith worthy of the Pope. No one or thing, benchmarks included, could possibly ever convince them of any failing whatsoever in their beloved company and that company's product.

A 'fanboy' is an extremist without logic or reason.

This is <b>completely</b> different from just a 'fan'. A 'fan' just likes a company for one reason or another, and most times that reason is completely justifiable and supportable with real facts and sensible reasoning.

So calling someone a 'fanboy' when they are clearly just a 'fan' is very disrespectful. Just so you know.

"<i>Yeah, if you treat them like equals, it'll only encourage them to think they <b>ARE</b> your equals.</i>" - Thief from <A HREF="http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=030603" target="_new">8-Bit Theater</A>
 
For an example of fan, I could say I am a fan of the Mario Bros. series from Nintendo. And that is completely respectable, nothing wrong at all. A great serie, and I like it. Doesn't mean in ANY way that I would despise the competition's Crash Bandikoot or Sonic (well, not anymore competition)!
A Nintendo fanboy is the idiot who refuses to know ANYTHING about Sony or Microsoft's console and games.

People should remember from now what fanboys are, and not start generalizing it to be like a "fan" is.

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AnandTech is sticking by the report/rumor today - <A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/index.html#20040" target="_new">link</A>.

Personally, I'm going to wait this one out. (Maybe that's what the rumor mongers - if there are ones - hoped for).


<b><font color=red>It depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is. - Bill Clinton<b><font color=red>
 
Yes, I saw that. Anandtech quoted a news bit from Xbitlabs. And I'm going to quote again here:
Beginning from the second half of August, at least one mainboard maker indicates appearance of its mainboards revision 2.x that are compliant to FMB 1.5 of Voltage Regulator-Down (VRD) 10.0 Design Guide.
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The VRD 10.0 Design Guide has been published in April! The only thing mobo manufacturers had to do is follow specs. So I'm guessing that all mobo manufacturers like ASUS that are saying their mobos support Prescott just followed the specs. As easy as that. Nothing more complicated.

If you want to be on the safe side and wait, that's fine... Actually, that's what I'd be doing, I guess... Please note, however, that this is still nothing but an air-thin rumor at best; not even THG has posted this news... (what would be the point, if there is absolutely no confirmation on this?)

<font color=red><b>M</b></font color=red>ephistopheles
 
I'm going to buy IS7 or P4P800 with 2.4c Hyperx PC3500 512. Than late next year or early 2005 Buy Grantsdale Mobo with Tejas. That should keep me going for awhile. Unless i decide to buy Scotty an OC the heck out of it. But maybe Tejas will be better to OC. Plus you have to like 65nm. So that brings me back to Tejas again. Darn Intel for releasing Tejas so early.
 
I think it's Nehalem.

One interesting bit, though... I get the strong impression that at the very least one of them - Nehalem, Tejas or Prescott - might have 64-bit hardware. Intel wouldn't be so naive.

Nehalem will be the one to break the 10Ghz barrier, if I got this straight... wow.

<font color=red><b>M</b></font color=red>ephistopheles
 
Ya I forgot about Nehalem. We need a good nick name for Ne. I read somewhere that Tejas was to have 64 bit but disabled. Unless later Scotty do. Ne may be released in late 2005 or early 2006 they way things are going. 45nm.
 
Yes, well, if not Prescott, then at least one of these three new cores will have 64 bit support. Nehalem might be easier to nickname than Tejas, though... Halley? Lemmy? Nelly? aahh, well, not that easier... :frown:

<font color=red><b>M</b></font color=red>ephistopheles
 
Do you know if there are games that takes advantage of the Xeon CPU?

My system: Intel Pentium 4 3.0, 800FSB / TwinMOS 1Gb DDR400 / MSI 875P Neo / Sapphire Radeon 9800Pro / Antec TruePower 550W / 2x Western Digital Raptor / Hercules G.T XP /
SamsungDVD / Lite-On CDRW
 
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