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Adriatic wrote:
> I think the price is same or 20% higher. Depends how you treat
> expences.
>
> Considering Canon ip4000 I would suggest that you carefuly excamine
> this move at link bellow. Specialy it is important that you take a
> look at 45 -47 second. And that layer. According to our findings this
> layer at COLOR section break after cca 6000 pages printed, or same
> moment if you try to clean a printhead manually. While the same layer
> at B&W section is far more durabble. Same layer at HP print heads
> never breaks. It can peel off, it can burned out but does not break.
>
>
http://adriatix.hr/A_DOC/A_INK_DOC.htm
>
> So make your own decision.
>
Hm....internal HP testing...you can not only disregard it, but mark it as
advert move, too...BTW ip4000 DOES have duplex...also in all tests Canon
printers are fastest of all.
If you'd look to same two printers tested by Canon, difference would be same
in Canon's favor...These tests must be done by independant companies...
BTW ip4000 is not business printer (i think), it's more personal one and i
guess for office with LOT prints per day maybe HP is a better solution. But
for home use Canon is better than HP. But this is my opinion, and as owner
of Canon it's only correct one. On the other hand, you as owner of HP, you
think yours is best, which is again only right...Some looks to these
printers on how long their photos last, and here is another look to find
right model. Then you obviously expect to have one printer for many years,
while i expect and intend to replace it every couple of years, since in one
year or less developing goes so ahead that printer gets old and ancient. And
i expect my printer to be with all modern qualities and features. Ferrari
testarossa was big one that times...but time went ahead and now is only a
legend...
We can go on forever without getting to the end. It's same like if we start
to discuss what came first: an egg or a chicken?
>
>
> "SleeperMan" <SleeperMan@too.sleepy> wrote in message
> news:zZmUd.9619$F6.1881697@news.siol.net...
>> Adriatic wrote:
>>> Please let's not compare apples and oranges.
>>
>> I share your opinion here...but in the sense of USA an Europe...how
>> much is ip4000 ? Here is(calculated) just over 220 USD.
>> And i can search for hours and i can't find cheap HP carts...Is this
>> printer uses headless ones? All i see are with head, and so
>> expensive as hell. BTW....i did say the same of NOT comparing two
>> things...like HP and Canon...since each time you replace cart, you
>> replace 80% of printer, so what COULD go wrong?
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We are comparing HP DJ 5150 ($50) printer with the rest of the
>>> world. Just give me a hint form your personal experience, witch
>>> other $50 printer would be a live after this usage.
>>>
>>> Take a look at:
>>>
>>>
http://adriatix.hr/A_REF/Pict/HP_5150_15K_L.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As you can see, user has replaced 101 black cartridges and 40
>>> colors. But for these 15000 pages (in 11 months) in fact he has
>>> been using 4* HP56 and 3* HP57 and Adriatix ink exclusively from
>>> very begging. After this usage, printer gets bracken but only in
>>> B&W section. Color section is just fine and printer can be used
>>> only with one print head installed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> He has find and bought the same one for replacement. Need not me to
>>> say that we shall not see him again after next 6 - 8 months. In fact
>>> this HP DJ 5150 has been still under warranty but the user has said
>>>>>>>> "Considering how much I have been using it, I do not have a
>>>>>>>> hart
>>> to ask them for warranty or replacement"<<<
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And his cost for ink for HP 56 cart has been $1.10 in the low end or
>>> $4.xx in OEM quality, for cca 400 pages.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "SleeperMan" <SleeperMan@too.sleepy> wrote in message
>>> news:QegUd.9601$F6.1877852@news.siol.net...
>>>> Adriatic wrote:
>>>>> you are all talking about new printers.
>>>>>
>>>>> How many of you have seen ip4000 or R800 with 15 000 pages on
>>>>> counter. Want to see some HP DJ 5150. O maybe DJ 5550 with 8000.
>>>>> Come and visit us.
>>>>>
>>>>> Would you like to see some other HP performers. Just take a look
>>>>> at.
>>>>>
>>>>>
http://adriatix.hr/A_REF/A_COUNTER.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want some more just ask me. We have one DJ 970 right now on
>>>>> service with 80 000. What do you think how much money he has left
>>>>> at HP for chart.
))))
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> we (mostly) all talk about home use, and even for office use
>>>> changing printer every 2 years or so is quite normal. If you talk
>>>> about HP and page count, you can't really compare it with Canon OR
>>>> Epson, since both have permanent head, while HP has excangeable
>>>> with each cart. It's similar as you'd compare your chemical pencil
>>>> with normal one...you could say chemical point lasts way longer
>>>> than normal one...BUT you exchange chemical point each time you
>>>> exchange refill, while this it not hte case with normal one...
>>>>
>>>> Anyway...did you calculate money you spend on HP carts and Canon or
>>>> Epson ones? In one year buying HP you spend for at least one
>>>> printer, or let's say this way: Buying Canon or Epson---in 1 year
>>>> you save a money to buy another brand new one...and in this case in
>>>> a period of 1 year printers usually go ahead with developing that
>>>> you gain speed, quality etc so you normally stay with the current
>>>> quality...which is not the case if you stick with old HP for 5
>>>> years...
>>>>
>>>> Lastly...i bet you're gonna say for office use 15000 pages is not
>>>> much...you can print them in less than 1 year...ii see no problem
>>>> here...since all printers have 1 year warranty, so if printer
>>>> breaks sooner, they will replace printer or head for free...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> adriatic
>>>>> http://adriatix.hr/
>>>>> "SleeperMan" <SleeperMan@too.sleepy> wrote in message
>>>>> news:mv_Td.9577$F6.1863358@news.siol.net...
>>>>>> huz wrote:
>>>>>>> it doesnt, Ip4000 seems good, price and performance are ok, but
>>>>>>> im still searching for other options...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you should definitely look good before buy. But bear in mind
>>>>>> price of carts, possible refilling (if you plan to), size of
>>>>>> cart etc.
>>>>>> I have ip4000 and it' s(as measkette says) the best. If you plan
>>>>>> to refill, then definitely buy Canon but also definitely model
>>>>>> with separate carts - like ip4000.
>>>>>> However if you plan to print photos which they "suppose" to last
>>>>>> 100 years, then you should look to models like Epson R800
>>>>>> (expensive!!), but it has chipped carts, so refilling is hard...
>>>>>> When i print a few photos on ip4000 (on canon photo pro paper)
>>>>>> they actually look BETTER than ones from photo lab... And you
>>>>>> can't see any dots or anything that would indicate that photo
>>>>>> was actually printed, not made in a photo lab...
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