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Ty,
I looked at the schoeps mic you mention on their website.... you think
a supercardioid capsule is the best for my situation? I do agree to
off axis attenuation would be helpful, but of course I would think you
wouldn't get enoug guitar sound this way.... let me ask, what kind of
positioning would you use on the schoeps for the guitar?
Nate
Ty Ford wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:35:38 -0400, Nate Najar wrote
> (in article <1119270938.242643.19220@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):
>
> > I have a 414 also but I didn't want to use it on the guitar because I
> > like to use it on drums. I was experimenting last night to see if the
> > 3000 woul be a good fit on the guitar so i could use the 414 elsewhere.
> > unfortunately since it doesn't work it's not a good fit! I was going
> > to use it in th bridge position as an extra mic to pick up more mid
> > frequencies. The main mic I use on the guitar is the oktava 012 which
> > i love. I just ordered an omni capsule for it from th sound room so i
> > think I'll get better results when that comes in, but I'e been very
> > happy with this thing in cardioid too. I do need to pick up one or 2
> > more LDC's, haven't really decided on something yet. I haven't looked
> > at the shure ksm series yet, maybe I ought to. What I hate is that it
> > seems like all mics have a presence peak around 5-6k which drives me
> > insane. If i wanted that peak I'd eq it in myself. I would really
> > like to find a few relatively flat LDC's. If you use those peaked mics
> > on everything, the recording comes out harsh! I'd love to get a u87
> > but I don't want to spend that kind of bread just for a personal
> > studio. I'll probably get a tlm 193 or 103 plus something else and i
> > bet I'll be happy. Mic magazine just gave a rave review of that new
> > mxl "fake" tube mic. I know it's a cheap chinese mic, but it seems some
> > people have had good luck with mxl and the resposne curve on this mic
> > is almost dead flat, so that interests me. Maybe if I got that and a
> > neumann I'd have all my bases covered!
> >
> > Anyway, could you explain how to do the M-S on solo guitar? I don't
> > know really any stereo micing techniques and should probably pick some
> > up. I play jazz so i make my records like the old days. I use a
> > single mic on the drums, a mic on the bass, and so forth.... I pan the
> > drums and bass opposite and then take my other instruments and put them
> > in the stereo field where I like them. gives a very cool sound with
> > definitely good separation and feel!
> >
> > Nate
> >
>
> Nate,
>
> The Rode NT2000 and NT2-a do better at not having that 5-6k peak. The u 87
> has more of a plateau there. Try a U 89 or TLM 193 or TLM 170. Slightly
> smaller diaphragm, slightly better off-axis response, slightly less peaky.
>
> The AT 4050 is also not peaky.
>
> If you really want to hear something nice. Try a Schoeps cmc641 SDC. It'll
> make you reconsider your Oktava.
>
> As usual, I have reviews of most of them on my site.
>
> I'm not a fan of stereo (or multi) acoustic guitar micing, especially in
> arrangements of the type you mention. The sounds gets sloppy unless you have
> a really, really, really nice environment and even then you end up
> compromising the spread to fit the mix. One good Schoeps with a good sounding
> stereo reverb is much more workable.
>
> Some will disagree. They may, that's cool. Click on the lower left link on my
> site to bring up the directory or music recorded here. I have an MP3 of a cut
> we did here called Wind. The six and 12 strings were each recorded with one
> Schoeps cmc641.
>
> On Existential Boogie I have two rhythm tracks of Martin D28 S on the left
> and One Pre CBS vibrolux/semi acoustic telecaster on the right, all tracked
> with the Schoeps and a Millennia Media STT-1. Enjoy.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ty Ford
>
>
> Ty Ford
>
>
>
> -- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
> stuff are at www.tyford.com
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