problems with Fx5700

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Sorry for the long post...please bear with me--I've got a problem no one else has been able to help me with. So I'm turning to the experts...:D

I have a win98SE system that runs beautifully. It's on an AMD1ghz processor on an Asus A7V mobo with 512 mb ram. I have an Asus 7700 (GeForce 2GTS) graphics card on an AGP pro slot.

For Christmas I got an FX5700. It was a Leadtek. When I put it in everything seemed to be fine as I booted into windows (I've put in lots of video cards over the years). My desktop icons were in disarray so I started moving them back into position. Not long after the screen went blank and the system froze. Through about twenty reboots, uninstalling and reinstalling drivers and the card, the problem never went away and in fact by the end I could just barely get into windows before the system froze.

I sent the card back as defective and got an MSI in exchange. The same problem.

That's when I started calling people--Nvidia, Asus, MSI....

I have flashed my bios. Upgraded my chipset drivers (VIA 4-in-1). Installed the very latest nvidia drivers, re-installed DirectX 9.0b...and done all this in different sequences. Nothing helps. The longest I have gotten the MSI to run was about 20 minutes...just staring at it.

MSI suggested I reinstall windows...over the top of the old install. (Remember this is a very clean system with no real problems) But I cannot complete the install. At the very end after I've entered my registration code and and directed Windows to restart I get an error message saying that my display, or display adapter (I can't remember the exact message) is not configured properly. At which point the hardware configuration utility will start. But nothing I can do will get me through re-configuring the display. In the end, I get locked up and a re-start ends up reloading my previous registry.

My video card stands alone in the AGP pro slot. No other cards nearby. Asus assures me that it will support AGP4x. MSI and all the specs say the video card is backward compatible with AGP 4x.

The old GeForce 2GTS runs fine in the system and causes no problems in games or graphic intensive apps.

I am at a loss for a solution or even a reason for this problem.

Does anyone have any other ideas? I'd really love to be able to play Call of Duty!
 

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Now that he mentions it hes right. Niether MSI or Leadtek say what their minnimum requirments are for their cards which is just stupid. Infact I checked Chaintech, Asus, Leadtek, MSI, Albatron and eVGA and none of them list the power requirments. However I have seen it many times that the 5700 Ultra requires 300W power supply so its possible that the non-Ultra also does which would explain your problem.
 

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Ok I just checked Gainwards site and they list their FX5700 as requiring 250W or above. It might be that your 250W just isnt a good 250W power supply. Or it maybe that MSI or Leadtek's FX5700 cards require more power then Gainward's but I think thats unlikly.
 

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Yeah, sounds like a insufficient PSU.

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Hello dtw.I had a similar problem with yours.A few days ago i bought an asus 9600SE.When i booted the computer,it stoped working at all after approximately 10-20 seconds and the screen froze.This was happenig every time i booted it.I tried many things in order to find out what the problem was and i found that when i installed the 4in1 VIA pack(i also have a motherboard with VIA chipset) the problem appeared.So i uninstalled the 4in1 VIA pack and then the computer worked properly.Furthermore i installed the latest drivers of my video card(Catalyst 3.10) so try do the same for yours video card drivers.I hope this solution help you and i hope you can understand what i am saying to you because i don't speak english very well.
 
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Have you tryed another OS?
I dont know but I simply dont trust win98 anymore had way to many issue that never happened under win2k/xp. If you could get a win2k CD see if you manage to install it.
I doubt this could solve but with issue like that you gotta try everything to isolate the problem...
Good luck
 

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Kostas,

Thanks for the effort you made especially if you don't speak or write English very good. I understood everything you said so your English isn't that bad.

One thing though...be very sure that your card--the 9600--is actually running at full speed and up to its full potential. I have been informed that if the via chipset drivers are not installed the card will run in PCI mode rather than AGP mode.

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labbby,

I know hat you are saying and I can't disagree. But WinXp is not an option for me. I have too many old applications that are problematic under WinXP and, plus I would want to upgrade over the top of Win98SE in order to preserve the setting and registered programs that I currently use.

Understand that my system, running Win98SE and the old GeForce2 card is super stable and that I keep it super clean--defragging once a week. Checking for viruses and spyware once a week and backing up regularly.

That said, I cannot get through a complete reinstall (over the top) of Win98SE. I get to the point where I have entered my serial number, and the install asks me to reboot and then I get a message saying that my display adapter is not configured correctly and would I like to run the wizard to fix it. Yes or cancel. No matter which way I go, I get a BSD and ultimately the computer crashes. When I restart, the registry configurator comes up and restores my old registry and I am right back where I started. And having said that...everything points to the right video adapter, right monitor, etc.. And when I fail with the MSI Fx5700 and reinstall the GeForce, the add new hardware utility recognizes and reports the correct display adapter. So I'm not even sure the error message is correct.

So upgrading to another OS is doubly a big problem--since I cannot get through a full reinstall of Win98 I am afraid that I will just inherit whatever is keeping me from re-installing win98.

I sure appreciate the suggestions...I hope someone else has some ideas not already covered???

DWFII
 

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I said,
check ... your PS.
350W good, motherboard old.
Sounds like KT133 with AGP PRO(supply only 50-110w for spec).
I am not sure it supports AGP4X.
Bad idea to put AGP8X card in AGP2X slot.
Avoid to put AGP8X card in common AGP slot.


<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by losesoso on 01/13/04 03:22 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
 

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losesoso,

Thanks...it's a good suggestion. It is a KT133 agp set. But unless you've some insight that Asus--the manufacturer of the mobo--doesn't have, I'm not sure how it fits.

Hard to cram (or remember) all the details and information about my problem into one or even three posts. But I called Asus almost immediately and asked about the AGP Pro slot. MSI said the FX5700 needed 1.5 volts. Asus said that the AGP pro slot was not only 4x but that it would supply both the 3.3volts (for AGP 2x) and the 1.5v needed for the FX5700. I checked all that out in my motherborad manual as well before I ever bought the card.

To top that all off, I have had the card running for 20 minutes, on several occasions, before it crashed. You would think if there was a problem at that fundamental a level it wouldn't run at all (and it's behaved that way on occasion, too)

[sigh] I don't know...seems like I've been down every path but the "change OS" path. And that's a crapshoot.

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Well you need at least a 350wt PSU or you may get sytem issues..

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My motherboard is a little bit old and it has AGP 2.0 slot which means it supports max 4x transfer mode.I check it out and as its seems from the bios and the properties of the video card it works with AGP 4x.Thanks for your concern.I wish you to find a solution for your problem.
 

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Is that true? If u had not installed the via 4in1 drivers the card will run in PCI mode? I have been getting 17803d marks in my system...

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Windows 98 is simply no longer an acceptable operating system for today's hardware. It's six years old. It's based on MS-DOS. Which is over ten years old. People go on about compatibility issues with Windows XP and old software, and I always find it amazing how old software runs flawlessly on my system.

Here's a little test to see if the problem is software or hardware:
Obtain a copy of Knoppix Linux. It's a CD bootable Linux distro that installs nothing on your computer. Boot off the CD and you're done. Is the system unstable? If not, it's probably a software problem.

By the way, don't EVER EVER do an "upgrade" install of Windows. This is asking for disaster, especially when dealing with legacy versions of Windows. Reformatting should be Window's only upgrade option.

Long story short: Upgrade your OS. You won't be able to to transfer settings, but you'll be able to use your computer longer than 20 minutes at a time and it's simply a better operating system.
 

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BirdRobin, i think that my video card runs with AGP 4X and i know that when i installed the 4-1 VIA pack the system did problems similar with the problems that dtw has.So i (propably) uninstalled the 4-1 VIA pack and the drivers which i installed from the asus drivers and utility cd and then i installed the catalyst 3.10.After all that the system worked perfect.