Protestation : Leonardo against the Procurer

Toggle sidebar Toggle sidebar
O

orpheus

Distinguished
Feb 2, 2005
171
0
18,680
Archived from groups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad (More info?)

"An honest Mortician out of work : crooked Procurers do his job in his
stead"

How could we not react ?!

Procurer does what Leonardo does (or near enough), better than him (1
more stealth), for a cost of blood instead of pool, and no Clan
restriction ?! One of the best allies ever has just been
wallpaperized... :-(((((

Orpheus, syndicated Giovanni protester.
 
Archived from groups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad (More info?)

Well...your mortician can hunt for *anyone*, which can have some
interesting cross-table applications. If you only ever use him for
your own minions, Procurers are probably the better deal. (They aren't
unique, but they have one fewer life than he does.)

cmb

Orpheus wrote:
> Orpheus a écrit :
> > "An honest Mortician out of work : crooked Procurers do his job in
his
> > stead"
> >
> > How could we not react ?!
> >
> > Procurer does what Leonardo does (or near enough), better than him
(1
> > more stealth), for a cost of blood instead of pool, and no Clan
> > restriction ?!
>
> Oh, and I forgot (don't own the card yet) : it's not Unique, is it
?!?!
 
Archived from groups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad (More info?)

Leonardo, Mortician
Ally
Giovanni
1 pool
Unique mortal with 2 life. 1 strength, 0 bleed.
Leonardo may move 1 blood from the blood bank to any ready vampire as a
+1 stealth action.

Procurer
Ally
2 blood
Ghoul with 1 life, 1 strength, 0 bleed.
Procurer may move 1 blood from the blood bank to a ready vampire you
control as a +2 stealth action.

non unique, 1 less life, no clan restriction, only moves blood to a
vampire you control, ghoul, more stealth.

very similar and possibly slightly better, but not strictly better as
Leo can for example be used to help other players.

also, charisma or Regina make it possible to get Loe for free!
 
Archived from groups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad (More info?)

> One of the best allies ever has just been
wallpaperized... :-(((((


no...


> Oh, and I forgot (don't own the card yet) : it's not Unique, is it
?!?!


no...



the big difference is that you can use leonardo to move blood to any
minion. procurer does only work for yours (which dealwise is a big
disadvantage in my eyes)...
 
Archived from groups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad (More info?)

Orpheus wrote:
> "An honest Mortician out of work : crooked Procurers do his job in his
> stead"
>
> How could we not react ?!
>
> Procurer does what Leonardo does (or near enough), better than him (1
> more stealth), for a cost of blood instead of pool, and no Clan
> restriction ?! One of the best allies ever has just been
> wallpaperized... :-(((((

If you need blood, how is spending two blood up front better than
spending one pool?

If you don't need blood, why use either?

Note also that Leonardo is twice as lively.

--
LSJ (vtesrep@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc.
Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar:
http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/
 
Archived from groups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad (More info?)

Orpheus a écrit :
> "An honest Mortician out of work : crooked Procurers do his job in his
> stead"
>
> How could we not react ?!
>
> Procurer does what Leonardo does (or near enough), better than him (1
> more stealth), for a cost of blood instead of pool, and no Clan
> restriction ?!

Oh, and I forgot (don't own the card yet) : it's not Unique, is it ?!?!
 
Archived from groups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad (More info?)

> Well...your mortician can hunt for *anyone*, which can have some
> interesting cross-table applications.

Right. Wasn't sure of that, which is why I put "near enough". It IS
different, but still...

If you only ever use him for
> your own minions, Procurers are probably the better deal. (They aren't
> unique, but they have one fewer life than he does.)

> non unique, 1 less life, no clan restriction, only moves blood to a
> vampire you control, ghoul, more stealth.
> very similar and possibly slightly better, but not strictly better as
> Leo can for example be used to help other players.

Sure. But what bothers me the most is the cost IN BLOOD !! Could that be
a typo ? I could understand an equivalent with one less life (Leonardo
can block once and survive), ghoul instead of wraith (slight advantages
to both), +1 stealth (which is HUGE) but only to your minions (which
will be the case most of the time, although not always) for 1 more POOL.
Not for 2 BLOOD. So, typing mistake or not ? LSJ ??

> also, charisma or Regina make it possible to get Loe for free!

Leo. 😉 There may be retainer equivalents, dunno at the moment. But that
musn't be a factor : a card must be balanced. As there are so few allies
out here not requiring pool, I think / hope it's a typo.

-----------
Orpheus
 
Archived from groups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad (More info?)

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 01:30:06 +0100, Orpheus <orpheus.13@DEADfree.fr>
wrote:

>> Well...your mortician can hunt for *anyone*, which can have some
>> interesting cross-table applications.
>
>Right. Wasn't sure of that, which is why I put "near enough". It IS
>different, but still...
>
> If you only ever use him for
>> your own minions, Procurers are probably the better deal. (They aren't
>> unique, but they have one fewer life than he does.)
>
> > non unique, 1 less life, no clan restriction, only moves blood to a
> > vampire you control, ghoul, more stealth.
> > very similar and possibly slightly better, but not strictly better as
> > Leo can for example be used to help other players.
>
>Sure. But what bothers me the most is the cost IN BLOOD !! Could that be
>a typo ? I could understand an equivalent with one less life (Leonardo
>can block once and survive), ghoul instead of wraith (slight advantages
>to both), +1 stealth (which is HUGE) but only to your minions (which
>will be the case most of the time, although not always) for 1 more POOL.
>Not for 2 BLOOD. So, typing mistake or not ? LSJ ??
>
> > also, charisma or Regina make it possible to get Loe for free!
>Leo. 😉 There may be retainer equivalents, dunno at the moment. But that
>musn't be a factor : a card must be balanced. As there are so few allies
>out here not requiring pool, I think / hope it's a typo.
>Orpheus

Leonardo can also be Ghouled to gain +1 life and the right to use
Potence strikes, the Procurer can't.

I thought the same as you at first, but let's be fair. Leonardo
presents more options and Giovanni decks can use the *two* to better
effect. Other clans can't.

best,

Fabio "Sooner" Macedo
V:TES National Coordinator for Brazil
Giovanni Clan Newsletter Editor
-----------------------------------------------------
V:tES Brasil Site (only in Portuguese for now)
http://planeta.terra.com.br/lazer/vtesbrasil/
 
Archived from groups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad (More info?)

LSJ a écrit :
> Orpheus wrote:
>
>> "An honest Mortician out of work : crooked Procurers do his job in his
>> stead"
>>
>> How could we not react ?!
>>
>> Procurer does what Leonardo does (or near enough), better than him (1
>> more stealth), for a cost of blood instead of pool, and no Clan
>> restriction ?! One of the best allies ever has just been
>> wallpaperized... :-(((((
>
>
> If you need blood, how is spending two blood up front better than
> spending one pool?

If you are going to need blood, because you use a costly discipline, you
can spend it now (or on another minion) and get it back quickly. See
also Rutor's Hand / first action = hunt.


> If you don't need blood, why use either?
>
> Note also that Leonardo is twice as lively.

Funny to say that of a mortician... :)

Orpheus
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

TRENDING THREADS

Latest posts

Moderators online

Share this page

COMPANY
RESOURCES
FOLLOW
Top Bottom