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Hey guys im in need to decide what to build. Im in need for a pc build for around 600-700$ I need to no if a 600-700 pc will get me better performance then a ps4. I would hate to buy a pc and only run like 20-30 frames, when i could of got a ps4 and ran 40-60 frames. I just need help to chose. Is pc gaming more fun? I never really did it before because i always through u had to spend thousands until i did more research.

I just need some opinions. WIll i lag on a gamming pc if my internet is decent. ITs not the worst but not the best. I cant afford 50 or 100 dollars a month for 100000mbs internet. What are the graphics like on pc compared to xbox. or ps4

Alot of vidoes on graphic comparison, low to ultra quality it really is not that big of a diffrence. I loved my xbox sitting back and playing but after researching apparently pc is so much better, no memebership no game scratches.

Main questions
will a 700$ pc be worth it or should i just get a ps4
Is it really that much better
more fun?

Thanks in advance, im just trying to figure it out so i can start looking for builds as i am geting once for x-mas. OR the ps4 in a few weeks.
 
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Sangeet Khatri
Well.. there are quite many doubts with you that I would like to clear.

1. For overclocking, you need a CPU with the "K" suffix on the end for Intel CPU's they are unlocked CPU, hence the 3350p is not overclocking capable whereas the 3570k and the 4670k are.

2. For overclocking, you need the "Z series" of board from Intel to be able to overclock. Hence the B75 board that I suggested cannot overclock.

3. Also if you want to overclock, hence you would need a better CPU cooler than the stock CPU cooler to handle the extra heat due to the increased voltages. The cheapest Decent CPU cooler costs like 30 dollars.

3. For overclocking, hence you would need to spend like 30 dollars more for the i5 4670k and at...
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A $700 PC will not be able to run games at equal graphics settings as a PS4. If you had a $1200 - $1500 budget it might be possible, for now. It all depends on when the game studios figure out how to squeeze the power out of the PS4/Xbox One.
 
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No sir. My buddie has the OS disk.

 
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I though if you plug it into my Tv (36 inch flat screen) Wouldn't It make it lag? Cause more pixels on the screen or how ever it works. pleas explain lol. Thats the 1 part i always been confused on.
 
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@Ish416

Seriously dude, what are you talking about? This 700 dollar build will kick the asses of the consoles without a problem at all.

+ i5 3350p is an awesome CPU for gaming. Way better than the console CPU.
+ The 7970 is a damn powerful GPU. Way better than the console.
+ 8GB RAM is ideal for gaming.
+ Fractal Design Core 1000 is a good small gaming case. Not as compact as the console, but still very compact for a PC.
+ 1TB HDD is more than enough to store any game you put in it.
+ EVGA 600W 80+ Plus is of good quality and more than enough for the hardware inside it.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3350P 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($177.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI B75MA-P45 Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($70.80 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($63.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.24 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($259.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $706.98
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-04 10:38 EST-0500)

This build would easily outperform the PS4. And seriously speaking. With the PS4 you are getting what you are paying for. For 400 dollar a build as powerful as the PS4 can be build. For the price of Xbox one you can build even better build.

So, seriously there is nothing so awesome with the consoles. At the end of the day, you get what you pay for.
 
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Hey awesome response . Question since then cpu is 175$ should i spend another 30 and get a i5 3570k. There both quad core processors (aren't the quad's outdated or will be soon? since more games are becoming more core demanding?
 
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Well.. I don't think that increasing the budget for the CPU is going to have any extra advantage on the gaming at all.

Also the 3570k and the 4670k are overclocking CPU's so if you want to overclock then you would need to spend more on the motherboard since overclocking boards come at a price.

And about the performacne of the quad cores, I would say that : No, not at all, yes games are becoming more core demanding, but still 4 cores is the sweet spot for gaming.

Also since the i5 is the most prominent gaming CPU on the market, therefore most of the AAA titles are optimized for the Intel i5, so I do not think that it is going to be a problem at all.

By the time games would start taking advantage of the extra cores, it would already have been like 2-3 years. So, until then the i5 would still remain a beast.

So, my final recommendation would be to stick with the i5 3350p. I have selected that particular CPU after thinking a lot. So, take my word for it and go for the 3350p. It is the most awesome choice for the particular budget. Seriously, take my word for it. You would be happy with it.
 
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How did u figure out what motherboard i needed for CPU's? I been looking for builds for ever and i cant figure out what motherboards are good and what motherboards are bad. Id like to be able to over-clock in the future if processor started to become weak.

Also what monitors are good. I seen that some are like 1,000,000 and some are 500,000$ I'm so confused lol. Im going to be siting back about 2-3 feet. Id just like a decent sized monitor so i can see everything and have everything nice and sharp.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009534
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009484

Whats the difference? What should i be looking for when buying a monitor note id like to stay under 200 dollars. Would a bigger monitor make me lag (which means id have to buy a better GPU?) is the size or the resolution which makes you lag? like 35 inch screen at 1980? or a 35 inch at 2500 or how ever it works. you know what i mean lol) if someone could explain that-that would clear alot of confusion.... Thanks
 
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Well.. there are quite many doubts with you that I would like to clear.

1. For overclocking, you need a CPU with the "K" suffix on the end for Intel CPU's they are unlocked CPU, hence the 3350p is not overclocking capable whereas the 3570k and the 4670k are.

2. For overclocking, you need the "Z series" of board from Intel to be able to overclock. Hence the B75 board that I suggested cannot overclock.

3. Also if you want to overclock, hence you would need a better CPU cooler than the stock CPU cooler to handle the extra heat due to the increased voltages. The cheapest Decent CPU cooler costs like 30 dollars.

3. For overclocking, hence you would need to spend like 30 dollars more for the i5 4670k and at least 40 dollars more for a decent motherboard and 30 more dollars for a decent CPU Cooler.Hence you would need to spend $100 more just for the ability to overclock, which I think is not worth the added expenses at all..

Also for the extra 100 dollars you can get the i7 3770

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Now for the Monitor

Well.. as for the monitor, the only thing that matters the performance for gaming is the resolution. [The lower is the resolution the more are the frame rates. But the more the resolution, better is the clarity and more is fun in gaming at high res monitors.

Another thing to note is that size is independent of the resolution. That is a 25 inch monitor can have either the 1080p resolution or even the 900p resolution. So, it depends on what resolution the manufacturer wants to put in the monitor. Hence everything still depends on the resolution and hence not at all on the size of the monitor.

As for the rig which I recommended. It should be easily play games at 1080p at Ultra Settings at well above 40+ frames per second. So, I think that getting a 1080p monitor with 60Hz refresh rate and 2ms response time should be more than enough for gaming with this particular rig.

The 1080p res is clear enough to enjoy games. And the resolution is good enough for the hardware in the rig to handle the gaming easily.

For under 200 dollars. Seriously, one would not need more than this monitor. It is currently selling as a very good deal. It has 2ms response time and 60Hz refresh rate @ 1080p resolution. It is good enough monitor for gaming. Also it of Asus so you can expect very good quality on this one.

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-monitor-ve247h

The best part is that this monitor costs only 145 dollars. So, go for it. It is a very good deal.

I hope this cleared most of your doubts.

 
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No doubt that is a hell of a build and from a purely numbers standpoint it would destroy any of the consoles.

However, the main advantage the consoles have is that the games are optimized to such an extent that they are capable of using the hardware to it's full potential.

Take the PS3 for example, look at recent games like The Last of Us or Beyond: Two Souls. The PS3 has the PC equivalent of an Nvidia 7800GT with 256MB of ram, with another 256MB of ram for the system. It has a custom CPU so nothing to really compare it against except the best CPU of the time (2006), the Intel QX6700 quad.

So build a system that has 256MB of ram, a 7800GT 256MB and a QX6700 and try to run games at similar settings. It absolutely will not happen, even a system that is twice as powerful as this one would not be able to reproduce the graphics in either of those games that I mentioned.

That is the point I was making. If you want to talk Tflops and Gflops and all that stuff then yes, the PC will be better. Think of what has been accomplished with the hardware from the previous console generation and apply that to the new hardware and you can see where this *could* be going.
 
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No, a TV and a Monitor are essentially the same thing. Some TV's do signal processing that makes things feel a little sluggish, but most will have a game mode or similar that you turn on for that input to disable their processing.

A 1080P TV and 1080P monitor have the exact same number of pixels. Also keep in mind that many console games aren't actually rendered in full 1080, they are scaled up from 720 or somewhere in the middle.
 
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oh ok thats cool, so Xbox 360 is really only in like 720p? so i should see a nice graphics change even playing on a 24 inch monitor at 1980x1080 (at 1080p)
 
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Yes, I am fully aware that the game companies optimize the games to perform best according to the particular hardware. But for the most part the customization means :

1. Reducing Resolution (720p,)
2. Reducing the Quality (most console games run at Medium, BF3 for example runs on almost low)
3. And then too many games barely run at 30FPS (GTA 5 for example met frame drops a lot)


But as far as the hardware on the PC goes you can always upgrade to a newer one. And as for now the 7970 with i5 will kill the console and not just be on part with the PS4 are you are saying.

Another benefit of PC is that the prices of games are very low on Steam. There are always deals and combos going on. It is not really a surprise to find your favorite game on the steam for just 5-10 dollars as deals.

And with PC a lot more could be done. With a i5 CPU, this build can do anything from Video Editing, to casual browsing the web, streaming Videos on Youtube, everything without the limitations that the consoles companies usually put on you. I mean you cannot play your own MP3's on the PS4. You can only play songs from their store which is seriously ridiculous.

The possibilities with console is just gaming, but the possibilities with the PC is endless. You can do anything you want. So, whether you believe it or not, PC is always going to be better than the consoles, even for the same level of hardware
 
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