Question Psu and VR

[Mr Helix]

Hello! i always wished for VR so i have finally saved up and i am waiting for the brand new Meta Quest 3
My specs are: i5 10400F, 16 gb Ram, 1060 3gb and i am pretty happy with my build, im not really into graphics and 60 fps is enough for me.

I Know that new Headset might be an overkill for my build, but i mostly will use it as a standalone, until ill get a link cable.

Most importantly I Have a DN500 (500 Watt 80+) psu, which now i want to talk about.
Is it going to enough for VR?
mostly i just want to play some puzzle games and chill ones minecraft in vr, roblox, phasmophobia and VRCHAT,
I Do want to try some games like hf alyx, pavlov, blade and sorcery, But not really in a rush to play them, i just want to know if my pc is enough to use VR on from time to time, i don't know why, but i'm kind of scared that my psu will blow out or something if i will try to launch those games especially with vr lol.

I Know my card is not good and im planning to upgrade it sometime later, i have stupid question, but should i also upgrade my PSU as well? maybe i can save money on better gpu and my 500watt will do fine, But i know the golden rule is to never cheap out on PSUs, what do you think?

What upgrade should i get? i am thinking of a 600 or 650 psu like PF650 and 1070 or 1660 gpu, or maybe RTX 20 series.
Thanks in advance!

 

[JohnBonhamsGhost]

I Have a DN500

that power supply is not recommended for gaming or any type of higher end systems.

thinking of a 600 or 650 psu...
1070 or 1660 gpu, or maybe RTX 20 series

VR graphics takes a bit more to render than regular 2D/3D.
whatever graphics card you are considering will need to be a bit more powerful to have a smooth experience with decent settings.

compared to what you have listed; i would be looking at the RTX 3070 at the very least.
i really wouldn't recommend even that unless it's just for 1080p gaming without RT effects. but a good 650w power supply would be fine in this specific situation.

 

[DSzymborski]

Definitely going to need a PSU upgrade. It's a cheap, group-regulated PSU, and I wouldn't have recommended even using it with your current GPU; PSUs running GPUs that require supplementary power shouldn't be running on PSUs designed for equipment of 20 years ago. You'll likely need more wattage, but also better *quality* than your current one has.

As JBG notes, VR requires a pretty robust GPU to be a good experience. They list pretty modest minimums, but given your direct interaction with the VR environment, getting by on low specs on VR isn't like doing it in normal desktop use, and can very easily be extremely unpleasant.

 

[Mr Helix]

Definitely going to need a PSU upgrade. It's a cheap, group-regulated PSU, and I wouldn't have recommended even using it with your current GPU; PSUs running GPUs that require supplementary power shouldn't be running on PSUs designed for equipment of 20 years ago. You'll likely need more wattage, but also better *quality* than your current one has.

As JBG notes, VR requires a pretty robust GPU to be a good experience. They list pretty modest minimums, but given your direct interaction with the VR environment, getting by on low specs on VR isn't like doing it in normal desktop use, and can very easily be extremely unpleasant.

Okay thanks for your replies!
I'll get 600 wat and still aim for 20 series rtx, 30 series are way too expensive to me here.
And about VR, I guess I'll be using standalone just the headset alone once I get it.
Thanks again!
Also I'll use steamvr performance test I just found it.

 

[JohnBonhamsGhost]

I'll get 600 wat and still aim for 20 series rtx

wait until you decide on the card before shopping for a power supply.

you will need to verify that you have a strong enough power source for whichever card you choose.
600w will severely limit your choices for a good card.

 

[Mr Helix]

that power supply is not recommended for gaming or any type of higher end systems.

VR graphics takes a bit more to render than regular 2D/3D.
whatever graphics card you are considering will need to be a bit more powerful to have a smooth experience with decent settings.

compared to what you have listed; i would be looking at the RTX 3070 at the very least.
i really wouldn't recommend even that unless it's just for 1080p gaming without RT effects. but a good 650w power supply would be fine in this specific situation.

Definitely going to need a PSU upgrade. It's a cheap, group-regulated PSU, and I wouldn't have recommended even using it with your current GPU; PSUs running GPUs that require supplementary power shouldn't be running on PSUs designed for equipment of 20 years ago. You'll likely need more wattage, but also better *quality* than your current one has.

As JBG notes, VR requires a pretty robust GPU to be a good experience. They list pretty modest minimums, but given your direct interaction with the VR environment, getting by on low specs on VR isn't like doing it in normal desktop use, and can very easily be extremely unpleasant.

 

[JohnBonhamsGhost]

i don't think this test actually tests the in-game quality you will experience.
just the possibility of VR working at all on your system.

does it state what resolution(s) they are testing,
what type of objects are being rendered,
what frame rate they are targeting.., etc?

 

[Mr Helix]

i don't think this test actually tests the in-game quality you will experience.
just the possibility of VR working at all on your system.

does it state what resolution(s) they are testing,
what type of objects are being rendered,
what frame rate they are targeting.., etc?

My friend has a RTX 3060 With a 600 Watt psu and it's been working good for years, so i guess 600 is enough for me.
It's this app

SteamVR Performance Test on Steam

Check whether your system is VR Ready, and if not, whether its capabilities are bound by Graphics Card, CPU, or both.

store.steampowered.com

In description:
"The SteamVR Performance Test measures your system's rendering power using a 2-minute sequence from Valves Aperture Robot Repair VR demo. After collecting the data it determines whether your system is capable of running VR content at 90fps and whether VR content can tune the visual fidelity up to the recommended level. For machines that are not VR Ready the tool can help determine whether capabilities are bound by Graphics Card, CPU, or both."

Also i just found someone selling a PF750 cheap with a warranty

 

[DSzymborski]

Yup, you're totally all set. After all, that test is from this year, since this is 2016, right?

Your power supply strategy is very risky. Your friend doesn't know it's "fine," unless he's used an oscilloscope and load tester; junk PSUs can damage high power parts over long periods of time and cause early graves, and you'll never know it from use until the moment it happens.

Your proposed PSU is simply another cheaply made PSU, though at least not as bad as the first one. But a used PSU makes everything worse and I guarantee that any "warranty" will only cover the cost of the low-quality used PSU, not any of its consequences.

There are several very ill-conceived choices and approaches being made here. However, it's your money, your consequences, so all I can do is wish you good fortune.

 

[LinuxDevice]

Just an added note: When the GPU workload goes up (and it probably will for the 3D case) power consumption and heat production also go up. If your CPU is able to fully utilize the GPU (and not bottleneck), then it seems like you will be hitting more power consumption just from GPU usage than you have previously. Along with heat. So I will double down on what other people are saying that the 500W is not enough.

 

[Mr Helix]

Just an added note: When the GPU workload goes up (and it probably will for the 3D case) power consumption and heat production also go up. If your CPU is able to fully utilize the GPU (and not bottleneck), then it seems like you will be hitting more power consumption just from GPU usage than you have previously. Along with heat. So I will double down on what other people are saying that the 500W is not enough.

okay okay, im not gonna plug it in until ill get an upgrade sheesh. thanks!