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Stop the good discussions and see what you get.... Puppets. Fricken
puppets. Oh, Let's not have intelligent conversation. Let's all run
and hide, and stick to mommy talk.... Wah, wah, wah..... Table talk is
evil, I have to think and stuff... I have paint questions (no, really,
I do. I just have to become more coherent to ask them.), beer points,
and contemporary history making comments to razor off my chest. FOR
THE GREAT CREATORS-SAKE, SAY SOMETHING NASTY (board-wise) SOMEONE....
or I will........

Mark
 
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"mparx66" <parx@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:f1279f72.0405042319.1b2fd3c8@posting.google.com...
> Stop the good discussions and see what you get.... Puppets. Fricken
> puppets. Oh, Let's not have intelligent conversation. Let's all run
> and hide, and stick to mommy talk.... Wah, wah, wah..... Table talk is
> evil, I have to think and stuff... I have paint questions (no, really,
> I do. I just have to become more coherent to ask them.), beer points,
> and contemporary history making comments to razor off my chest. FOR
> THE GREAT CREATORS-SAKE, SAY SOMETHING NASTY (board-wise) SOMEONE....
> or I will........
>
> Mark

FOAD

<Plonk>

--
MJB

Mr. Tin's Painting Workshop:
http://web.newsguy.com/Mrtinsworkshop/
 
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"MJB" <mrtinj@OLDSguy.com> wrote in message news:<c7aue204sa@news4.newsguy.com>...
> "mparx66" <parx@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:f1279f72.0405042319.1b2fd3c8@posting.google.com...
> > Stop the good discussions and see what you get.... Puppets. Fricken
> > puppets. Oh, Let's not have intelligent conversation. Let's all run
> > and hide, and stick to mommy talk.... Wah, wah, wah..... Table talk is
> > evil, I have to think and stuff... I have paint questions (no, really,
> > I do. I just have to become more coherent to ask them.), beer points,
> > and contemporary history making comments to razor off my chest. FOR
> > THE GREAT CREATORS-SAKE, SAY SOMETHING NASTY (board-wise) SOMEONE....
> > or I will........
> >
> > Mark
>
> FOAD
>
> <Plonk>

FOAD, no clue....

<plonk>, wow....

A sense of humor would serve you.

I simply don't like childishly censored table-talk. On such a broad
board as this, the drawing card, or the character, of this board rests
in it's generalness. What will I see next? Who will I see next? The
topic? TABLE-TALK...
Go to Yahoo's "specific" boards. Wonderful specific topics if that's
what your wargaming life consists of. Dip in and out. But here, it's
more personal, more human (as with Yahoo, just not so constrained). I
think some of the people here have personalities that could rely less
on casualty charts, and more on die rolls... It's simply terrible not
seeing the posts of those that have made this board actually
entertaining and informative any more. Why did I come here in the
first place? Oh, yeah. Wondering why my membership in HMGS did't grant
me a newsletter. Found something better.

I wouldn't 'plonk' you MJB. I'm a man....

Mark

PS Puppets?
 
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"mparx66" <parx@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:f1279f72.0405042319.1b2fd3c8@posting.google.com...
> Stop the good discussions and see what you get.... Puppets. Fricken
> puppets. Oh, Let's not have intelligent conversation. Let's all run
> and hide, and stick to mommy talk.... Wah, wah, wah..... Table talk is
> evil, I have to think and stuff... I have paint questions (no, really,
> I do. I just have to become more coherent to ask them.), beer points,
> and contemporary history making comments to razor off my chest. FOR
> THE GREAT CREATORS-SAKE, SAY SOMETHING NASTY (board-wise) SOMEONE....
> or I will........

Something nasty.

<ducks for cover>

--Ty
 
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"Ty" <tbeardSPAM@tyler.net> wrote in message news:<109kbs56p27rk7c@corp.supernews.com>...
> "mparx66" <parx@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:f1279f72.0405042319.1b2fd3c8@posting.google.com...
> > Stop the good discussions and see what you get.... Puppets. Fricken
> > puppets. Oh, Let's not have intelligent conversation. Let's all run
> > and hide, and stick to mommy talk.... Wah, wah, wah..... Table talk is
> > evil, I have to think and stuff... I have paint questions (no, really,
> > I do. I just have to become more coherent to ask them.), beer points,
> > and contemporary history making comments to razor off my chest. FOR
> > THE GREAT CREATORS-SAKE, SAY SOMETHING NASTY (board-wise) SOMEONE....
> > or I will........
>
> Something nasty.
>
> <ducks for cover>
>
> --Ty

Oh, O.K....George Bush not only doesn't read books, but apparently
doesn't read much of anything else, Iraq "Democratization", U.S. war
deaths in the 700s and headed up, $2.00 plus gas, Iraq prison scandal,
electronic voting machine failures, censorship by Sinclair
Broadcasting, another $25 Billion for three months of the
occupation-(total so far pushing 200 Billion-$600 billion at some
point is looking very likely), outsourcing jobs,only one Enron
conviction-a woman, of course, just like poor little Martha, general
revolt in the scientific community to the misuse of data by the
administration, most of the world rejecting the US policies and
leadership, nearly 50% drop in the US dollar versus the Euro in four
years, non-existant Global Warming making the West a tinder box, under
funded education programs, increasing numbers of people without health
coverage, deficits continue to grow...

No lack of "Something Nasty". Our present inept leadership seems
quite capable of creating lots of nasties.

Over to you, Ty.

BJ

PS Is the Blue in the French 1814 uniform the same shade as in 1803?

Are Old Glory's price increases related to tin prices, general
inflationary pressures, OG's dominance of the market, or does Russ
need a new Mercedes? All of the above?

Why has no one used the new miniature sound circuit boards to allow
sound effects for wargames?
 
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>No lack of "Something Nasty". Our present inept leadership seems
>quite capable of creating lots of nasties.
>

And eight years of Clinton proved it even earlier. So what?

Sad thing, it looks like yet another choice of the evils of the two lessers
AGAIN this round.
 
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samvanga@aol.com (SamVanga) wrote in message news:<20040507035438.29140.00000986@mb-m13.aol.com>...
> >No lack of "Something Nasty". Our present inept leadership seems
> >quite capable of creating lots of nasties.
> >
>
> And eight years of Clinton proved it even earlier. So what?
>
> Sad thing, it looks like yet another choice of the evils of the two lessers
> AGAIN this round.

BJ: Awww...Sam, That's such a cop out! Come on now, admit that
compromise is at the center of politics and that we will never have a
saint for a President. The perfect can be the enemy of the good.

In any case, I'll take the potentially competent over the demonstrably
incompetent.

BJ
 
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"Bob Jones" <highwiremedia@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> "Ty" <tbeardSPAM@tyler.net> wrote in message
news:<109kbs56p27rk7c@corp.supernews.com>...
> > Something nasty.
> >
> > <ducks for cover>

> Oh, O.K....George Bush not only doesn't read books, blah blah blah blah...

> Over to you, Ty.

Dear Mr. Jones,

After long and extensive consideration lasting almost 1.3 seconds, I am very
sorry to inform you that I must deny with prejudice your request to
re-engage in an off-topic discussion.

I realize that this comes as unwelcome news to you and that it constitutes a
tragic blow. However, I remind you that it's always darkest before the dawn,
that every cloud has a silver lining, etc. I therefore urge you to try to
carry on as best you can and are hopeful that you will find some degree of
success in your other endeavors.

I remain, your most humble and obedient servant,

Ty
 
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"SamVanga" <samvanga@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040507035438.29140.00000986@mb-m13.aol.com...
> >No lack of "Something Nasty". Our present inept leadership seems
> >quite capable of creating lots of nasties.
> >
>
> And eight years of Clinton proved it even earlier. So what?
>
> Sad thing, it looks like yet another choice of the evils of the two
lessers
> AGAIN this round.

<Begin Obi-Wan Kenobi Voice>

Don't give in to hate, Sam. Do not let Vader, er, Jones, bait you into
another senseless and unending off topic flamewar. That leads to the Dark
Side.

<End Obi-Wan Kenobi Voice>

🙂

--Ty
 
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>Don't give in to hate, Sam. Do not let Vader, er, Jones, bait you into
>another senseless and unending off topic flamewar. That leads to the Dark
>Side.

Oh I'm not. Its more of the grey side of the Force. I'm really extremely sad
about the coming election (and its choice of two utterly worthless punks, if
incresing news reports and open letters, etc. are to be believed).

OTOH, Jones could not go totally unanswered less he try to claim victory by
default.

I'm going back to Rise of Nations now. Not as much as fun a human opponent,
but far less "difficult" (in the human sense, not complexity).

Anyone think the movie "Troy" will lead to any new members/products/interest in
wargaming? I didn't even realize it was a regular movie until I saw the Time
Mag. article (thought it was for cable before). At least they got the shape of
the shields right, that is nice.
 
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"Ty" <tbeardSPAM@tyler.net> wrote in message news:<109n6og942d9i49@corp.supernews.com>...
> "Bob Jones" <highwiremedia@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > "Ty" <tbeardSPAM@tyler.net> wrote in message
> news:<109kbs56p27rk7c@corp.supernews.com>...
> > > Something nasty.
> > >
> > > <ducks for cover>
>
> > Oh, O.K....George Bush not only doesn't read books, blah blah blah blah...
>
> > Over to you, Ty.
>
> Dear Mr. Jones,
>
> After long and extensive consideration lasting almost 1.3 seconds, I am very
> sorry to inform you that I must deny with prejudice your request to
> re-engage in an off-topic discussion.
>
> I realize that this comes as unwelcome news to you and that it constitutes a
> tragic blow. However, I remind you that it's always darkest before the dawn,
> that every cloud has a silver lining, etc. I therefore urge you to try to
> carry on as best you can and are hopeful that you will find some degree of
> success in your other endeavors.
>
> I remain, your most humble and obedient servant,
>
> Ty

BJ: Given how things are going these days, I can totally understand
your decision, and respect your good judgement in not re-entering the
lists.

Hope your daughter got that telescope.

Mark, you're going to have to accept that EBay and the color of the
French 1813 uniform will remain the focus of this forum-which, It must
be pointed out is down to few postings a day.

BJ
 
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In message <109n754r1rrm53e@corp.supernews.com>, Ty
<tbeardSPAM@tyler.net> writes
>"SamVanga" <samvanga@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20040507035438.29140.00000986@mb-m13.aol.com...
>> >No lack of "Something Nasty". Our present inept leadership seems
>> >quite capable of creating lots of nasties.
>> >
>>
>> And eight years of Clinton proved it even earlier. So what?
>>
>> Sad thing, it looks like yet another choice of the evils of the two
>lessers
>> AGAIN this round.
>
><Begin Obi-Wan Kenobi Voice>
>
>Don't give in to hate, Sam. Do not let Vader, er, Jones, bait you into
>another senseless and unending off topic flamewar. That leads to the Dark
>Side.
>
><End Obi-Wan Kenobi Voice>
>
Give in to your Dark Side, Ty, you know you want to. You'll feel better
if you do, you know. Just a little bit - nobody will blame you, and you
will be able to sleep again without the Voices coming in the dead of
night.
--
John Secker
 
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>BJ: Awww...Sam, That's such a cop out! Come on now, admit that
>compromise is at the center of politics and that we will never have a
>saint for a President. The perfect can be the enemy of the good.

I'm not looking for a saint. Just someone who is not an open embarrassment.

And, I would say, someone who actually gives a damn about something beyond
his/her own interests. I thought McCain was one such, but then even he got
blinded by the big lights. I'm now beginning to think Goldwater was the last
one, at least he stood for something, but was man enough to change his views
with time.

And, I wouldn't say no to someone who speaks plainly (Rumsfeld has his moments
in this regard, Jesse Ventura as well --and he is not nearly as dumb as some
people think either). Oh well, if wishes were fishes.

Rise of Nations continues to kick me, the computer is just too efficient
compared to me. And, I really wish you could disconnect nukes before the game
even starts. At least the graphics are pretty.
 
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>Mark, you're going to have to accept that EBay and the color of the
>French 1813 uniform will remain the focus of this forum-which, It must
>be pointed out is down to few postings a day.

Actually, its down to a -very- few postings a day. And, even a goodish
percentage of them are spam or, as you note, sales ads for Ebay etc.

But it is so gloriously on topic.

Actually, it is funny (not really). I finally decided maybe it was time to get
back into the hobby more directly.

I was at the local hobby shop and found a free pamphlet from the Northwest
Historical Miniatures Gaming Society ("The Citadel"). It looked good and the
price was right, so I was thinking to myself maybe it is time to give the hobby
a chance again.

Anyway, got to reading the articles and the blood started to quicken,
definately would be nice to play humans again, rather than just machines.

Then I found the article "A Quick Jaunt North" by Mr. Brooking. The subject
was a trip to a Canadian event. However, he made several needless, and just
purely snotty comments about U.S. Customs officers.

Since I happen to have friends in the service I am considerably better informed
about the service than is the author of those snotty comments (ex. "...but
borders alsways make me nervous. Granted, the Canadian border has always been
a bit easier than the U.S. given that they sit in their booths and ask probing
questions rather than swaggering out to your car with prominently displayed
sidearms..." "...and telling the nice man (he looked to be of East Indian
extraction, why are ours always big white guys with short hair?)..."

Given how many of my Customs friends are female and/or East Indian, Black,
Hispanic, Asian, or some combination of the above, the author kinda pissed me
off with his irrelevant yet snotty and ignorant commentary.

Still, I read on to the end in which he is again snotty about the Customs
officers, despite polite interest in his trip. "But when I got to the border
guard it got worse, when he heard about the topy soldier convention, he asked
what scale. I mentioned 25mm and he looked at me blankly (but not
unmenacingly) for a couple of seconds and then said "Oh, those metals... I do
1/32 Tamayas myself."

Another reference to the guns follows along with a comment about never knowing
why he was allowed to proceed scot free.

First off, I really did not expect much from Mr. Brooking given his
self-important reference to listening to Al Franken while driving both to and
from the event. Then, the use of words (ex. "border guard" rather than Customs
and Border Protection Officer -or some contraction therof-, or Customs
Inspector) demonstrated his sheer ignorance.

His constant whining about the U.S. Customs' guns was nothing short amazing
stupidity. Had he crossed the border just a few miles east of his route, he
could have seen the Kenneth G. Ward Border Station, named for the Customs
Inspector killed in the line of duty there (fallen Customs and Immigration
officers are listed at the Law Enforcement Memorial).

But what really pissed me off about his article was not his personal ignorance,
stupidity, and self-assumed smug arrogance. It was the lack of editing by the
publishing body. The group could have at least had the courtesy to thank the
people belittled by the article, or told the puke to stay on topic in the first
place.

As it is, I would rather continue to hang out with my friends serving thier
country even if our hobbies are different. Than associate with people who
belittle those who serve for selfish and ignorant reasons (or the people who
care so little they don't even comment in their publication).

For what little good I expect, I am also mailing this to the e-mail addresses
noted for the group's officers.
 
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samvanga@aol.com (SamVanga) wrote in message news:<20040508105723.00117.00001039@mb-m12.aol.com>...

Hello Sam Vanga
I think you have definitely missed the boat on this one. Allow me to
elaborate below.

> ......
>
> Then I found the article "A Quick Jaunt North" by Mr. Brooking. The subject
> was a trip to a Canadian event. However, he made several needless, and just
> purely snotty comments about U.S. Customs officers.
*NJH: You have completely missed the true nature and purpose of the
article. You don't know Mr Brooking and yet you launch this
unwarranted attack. You've taken his words and phrases completely out
of context and misattributed all sorts of nefarious motives and
meanings to his words, phrases, and the article. This is not what a
rational, prudent, and reasonable person does when they take issue
with the writings of another person. There are more civilized methods
for taking exception to the writings of another.

> Since I happen to have friends in the service I am considerably better
> informed
> about the service than is the author of those snotty comments (ex. "...but
> borders alsways make me nervous. Granted, the Canadian border has always been
> a bit easier than the U.S. given that they sit in their booths and ask probing
> questions rather than swaggering out to your car with prominently displayed
> sidearms..." "...and telling the nice man (he looked to be of East Indian
> extraction, why are ours always big white guys with short hair?)..."
>
> Given how many of my Customs friends are female and/or East Indian, Black,
> Hispanic, Asian, or some combination of the above, the author kinda pissed me
> off with his irrelevant yet snotty and ignorant commentary.
*NJH: As opposed to your "irrelevant yet snotty and ignorant
commentary" about a person you don't know.

> Still, I read on to the end in which he is again snotty about the Customs
> officers, despite polite interest in his trip. "But when I got to the border
> guard it got worse, when he heard about the topy soldier convention, he asked
> what scale. I mentioned 25mm and he looked at me blankly (but not
> unmenacingly) for a couple of seconds and then said "Oh, those metals... I do
> 1/32 Tamayas myself."
> Another reference to the guns follows along with a comment about never knowing
> why he was allowed to proceed scot free.
*NJH: Many gamers in the Northwest have been moving North and South
for decades (I started in 1971). We all have dozens of stories and
anecdotes about our border crossings. I have my own extensive
collection of good, bad, and ugly stories of border crossings.
Contrary to what you may think the people watching our borders are
human, therefore they are not perfect. For the most part they do a
first rate job, but they do have their fifth rate moments.

> First off, I really did not expect much from Mr. Brooking given his
> self-important reference to listening to Al Franken while driving both to and
> from the event.
*NJH: It's his money and his time, if he wishes to waste it listening
to Franken that's his right as an American. If he had been listening
to Rush, would you have made some petty remark about listening to drug
addicts?

> Then, the use of words (ex. "border guard" rather than Customs
> and Border Protection Officer -or some contraction therof-, or Customs
> Inspector) demonstrated his sheer ignorance.
*NJH: I've crossed the border in Washington, Idaho, Montana, Michigan,
and Maine. The colloquial phrase is "Border Guard" and there is
nothing demaning or disrespectful in the use of such phrase. I don't
get apoplectic when people write Justice Scalia instead of his correct
title Associate Justice Scalia. And, I don't come unglued when people
say Supreme Court or US Supreme Court when the official and correct
title is Supreme Court of the United States.

> His constant whining about the U.S. Customs' guns was nothing short amazing
> stupidity. Had he crossed the border just a few miles east of his route, he
> could have seen the Kenneth G. Ward Border Station, named for the Customs
> Inspector killed in the line of duty there (fallen Customs and Immigration
> officers are listed at the Law Enforcement Memorial).
*NJH: Have you considered the possibility he might have a very good
reason for being concerned, even fearful of firearms? I suspect No. He
may or may not have a reason, but the fact is that you didn't bother
to ask.

> But what really pissed me off about his article was not his personal
> ignorance, stupidity, and self-assumed smug arrogance. It was the lack of
> editing by the publishing body. The group could have at least had the
> courtesy to thank the people belittled by the article, or told the puke to
> stay on topic in the first place.
*NJH: Freedom of Speech is cherished in NHMGS and my own position on
censorship is well documented. The Editor of the NHMGS Citadel has my
full confidence and my full support. If you think you can do a better
job as Editor of the Citadel, join NHMGS and volunteer to be the
Citadel Editor. If the NHMGS BOD thinks you'll do a better job than
the current Editor, they'll give you the job, in fact the current
Editor may be only too happy to divest himself of the responsibility.
If you don't like things, there is a mechanism for change.

> As it is, I would rather continue to hang out with my friends serving thier
> country even if our hobbies are different. Than associate with people who
> belittle those who serve for selfish and ignorant reasons (or the people who
> care so little they don't even comment in their publication).
*NJH: This is rhetorical polemics. For almost 35 years I've had to
cope with the boorish attitudes of people toward, and the humiliating
and denigrating image of, my generation's military service. People who
serve selfishly don't do it for thanks or recognition, we have our own
private reasons for doing it.

> For what little good I expect, I am also mailing this to the e-mail addresses
> noted for the group's officers.
*NJH: This is baloney, you haven't allowed the NHMGS Officer's a
chance to evaluate your concerns and respond to them. If you were
genuinely interested in a response you would have waited for one, but
you didn't. And, now, by publishing this philipic here you eliminate
the possibility for having your missive appear in the Citadel
(copyright infringements). Now we'll never know how they may have
responded to your missive because you have robbed them of an
opportunity to do so.

Did you submit a rebuttal letter to the Editor? Did you send a
rebuttal article to the Editor? Did you try to contact Mr Brooking
regarding your concerns about the slights you perceived in his
article? No, you didn't do anything rational, prudent, or reasonable.
You immediately went to one of our hobby's high profile public forums
to electronically lynch a man you do not know for the most specious of
reasons. What you have done is entirely antithetical to the manner in
which the overwhelming majority of the gamers in the Northwest conduct
themselves in our hobby. You can't possibly imagine how badly you
misunderstand Mr Brooking's article, the Editor, NHMGS leadership, the
NHMGS membership, and the gamers of the Pacific Northwest.

My apologies to one and all for my intemperant post. However, I cannot
allow Mr Vanga's completely erroneous assessment of Mr Brooking's
article, the Editor, NHMGS leadership, the NHMGS membership, and the
gamers of the Pacific Northwest to go unanswered.
I say again, you perceive that which does not exist. I strongly
encourage you to reread the article and re-examine that which you
disparage in the proper context of the entire article.
I do not know how Mr Brooking or other members of NHMGS will respond,
if at all. They are free to express their own opinions. IMHO - You
have definitely missed the boat on this one.
Cheers
NJH
 
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"Than associate with people who
belittle those who serve for selfish and ignorant reasons (or the
people who
care so little they don't even comment in their publication)."

Sorry Sam, you're just as guilty, no, actually moreso, for doing the
same thing you accuse Arther Brookings of doing. Arthur's article
isn't the issue Sam, it's your response.

You're using a broad brush to paint all the people in the group. Get a
grip Sam, people are individuals and whether or not you realize it,
they shouldn't be lumped together.

By following your example I would conclude that the men and women who
protect our borders are pompous, prejudicial folk like you, simply
because you call them friends. But don't worry, I won't. I'll exercise
my right and good sense to judge people on their own merits.

Perhaps if you tried it you could get back into the hobby although I
can only speculate on what drove you away.










samvanga@aol.com (SamVanga) wrote in message news:<20040508105723.00117.00001039@mb-m12.aol.com>...
> >Mark, you're going to have to accept that EBay and the color of the
> >French 1813 uniform will remain the focus of this forum-which, It must
> >be pointed out is down to few postings a day.
>
> Actually, its down to a -very- few postings a day. And, even a goodish
> percentage of them are spam or, as you note, sales ads for Ebay etc.
>
> But it is so gloriously on topic.
>
> Actually, it is funny (not really). I finally decided maybe it was time to get
> back into the hobby more directly.
>
> I was at the local hobby shop and found a free pamphlet from the Northwest
> Historical Miniatures Gaming Society ("The Citadel"). It looked good and the
> price was right, so I was thinking to myself maybe it is time to give the hobby
> a chance again.
>
> Anyway, got to reading the articles and the blood started to quicken,
> definately would be nice to play humans again, rather than just machines.
>
> Then I found the article "A Quick Jaunt North" by Mr. Brooking. The subject
> was a trip to a Canadian event. However, he made several needless, and just
> purely snotty comments about U.S. Customs officers.
>
> Since I happen to have friends in the service I am considerably better informed
> about the service than is the author of those snotty comments (ex. "...but
> borders alsways make me nervous. Granted, the Canadian border has always been
> a bit easier than the U.S. given that they sit in their booths and ask probing
> questions rather than swaggering out to your car with prominently displayed
> sidearms..." "...and telling the nice man (he looked to be of East Indian
> extraction, why are ours always big white guys with short hair?)..."
>
> Given how many of my Customs friends are female and/or East Indian, Black,
> Hispanic, Asian, or some combination of the above, the author kinda pissed me
> off with his irrelevant yet snotty and ignorant commentary.
>
> Still, I read on to the end in which he is again snotty about the Customs
> officers, despite polite interest in his trip. "But when I got to the border
> guard it got worse, when he heard about the topy soldier convention, he asked
> what scale. I mentioned 25mm and he looked at me blankly (but not
> unmenacingly) for a couple of seconds and then said "Oh, those metals... I do
> 1/32 Tamayas myself."
>
> Another reference to the guns follows along with a comment about never knowing
> why he was allowed to proceed scot free.
>
> First off, I really did not expect much from Mr. Brooking given his
> self-important reference to listening to Al Franken while driving both to and
> from the event. Then, the use of words (ex. "border guard" rather than Customs
> and Border Protection Officer -or some contraction therof-, or Customs
> Inspector) demonstrated his sheer ignorance.
>
> His constant whining about the U.S. Customs' guns was nothing short amazing
> stupidity. Had he crossed the border just a few miles east of his route, he
> could have seen the Kenneth G. Ward Border Station, named for the Customs
> Inspector killed in the line of duty there (fallen Customs and Immigration
> officers are listed at the Law Enforcement Memorial).
>
> But what really pissed me off about his article was not his personal ignorance,
> stupidity, and self-assumed smug arrogance. It was the lack of editing by the
> publishing body. The group could have at least had the courtesy to thank the
> people belittled by the article, or told the puke to stay on topic in the first
> place.
>
> As it is, I would rather continue to hang out with my friends serving thier
> country even if our hobbies are different. Than associate with people who
> belittle those who serve for selfish and ignorant reasons (or the people who
> care so little they don't even comment in their publication).
>
> For what little good I expect, I am also mailing this to the e-mail addresses
> noted for the group's officers.
 
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samvanga@aol.com (SamVanga) wrote in message news:<20040508105723.00117.00001039@mb-m12.aol.com>...
> >Mark, you're going to have to accept that EBay and the color of the
> >French 1813 uniform will remain the focus of this forum-which, It must
> >be pointed out is down to few postings a day.
>
> Actually, its down to a -very- few postings a day. And, even a goodish
> percentage of them are spam or, as you note, sales ads for Ebay etc.
>
> But it is so gloriously on topic.
>
> Actually, it is funny (not really). I finally decided maybe it was time to get
> back into the hobby more directly.
>
> I was at the local hobby shop and found a free pamphlet from the Northwest
> Historical Miniatures Gaming Society ("The Citadel"). It looked good and the
> price was right, so I was thinking to myself maybe it is time to give the hobby
> a chance again.
>
> Anyway, got to reading the articles and the blood started to quicken,
> definately would be nice to play humans again, rather than just machines.
>
> Then I found the article "A Quick Jaunt North" by Mr. Brooking. The subject
> was a trip to a Canadian event. However, he made several needless, and just
> purely snotty comments about U.S. Customs officers.
>
> Since I happen to have friends in the service I am considerably better informed
> about the service than is the author of those snotty comments (ex. "...but
> borders alsways make me nervous. Granted, the Canadian border has always been
> a bit easier than the U.S. given that they sit in their booths and ask probing
> questions rather than swaggering out to your car with prominently displayed
> sidearms..." "...and telling the nice man (he looked to be of East Indian
> extraction, why are ours always big white guys with short hair?)..."
>
> Given how many of my Customs friends are female and/or East Indian, Black,
> Hispanic, Asian, or some combination of the above, the author kinda pissed me
> off with his irrelevant yet snotty and ignorant commentary.
>
> Still, I read on to the end in which he is again snotty about the Customs
> officers, despite polite interest in his trip. "But when I got to the border
> guard it got worse, when he heard about the topy soldier convention, he asked
> what scale. I mentioned 25mm and he looked at me blankly (but not
> unmenacingly) for a couple of seconds and then said "Oh, those metals... I do
> 1/32 Tamayas myself."
>
> Another reference to the guns follows along with a comment about never knowing
> why he was allowed to proceed scot free.
>
> First off, I really did not expect much from Mr. Brooking given his
> self-important reference to listening to Al Franken while driving both to and
> from the event. Then, the use of words (ex. "border guard" rather than Customs
> and Border Protection Officer -or some contraction therof-, or Customs
> Inspector) demonstrated his sheer ignorance.
>
> His constant whining about the U.S. Customs' guns was nothing short amazing
> stupidity. Had he crossed the border just a few miles east of his route, he
> could have seen the Kenneth G. Ward Border Station, named for the Customs
> Inspector killed in the line of duty there (fallen Customs and Immigration
> officers are listed at the Law Enforcement Memorial).
>
> But what really pissed me off about his article was not his personal ignorance,
> stupidity, and self-assumed smug arrogance. It was the lack of editing by the
> publishing body. The group could have at least had the courtesy to thank the
> people belittled by the article, or told the puke to stay on topic in the first
> place.
>
> As it is, I would rather continue to hang out with my friends serving thier
> country even if our hobbies are different. Than associate with people who
> belittle those who serve for selfish and ignorant reasons (or the people who
> care so little they don't even comment in their publication).
>
> For what little good I expect, I am also mailing this to the e-mail addresses
> noted for the group's officers.

I'm tempted to make a derogatory comment against you, but I don't make
circumstantial ad Hominem attacks against people (such as you do)
based on such limited information.

~Chris Yoder
 
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"Ed Teixeira" <az_sunsets73@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eb32c70a.0405081918.1fdc8eeb@posting.google.com...
>>
> Perhaps if you tried it you could get back into the hobby although I
> can only speculate on what drove you away.
>

Hi Ed!

<waves cheerily>

BBBob tells me you're back in the PacNW. Hope it's working-out.

--
MJB

Mr. Tin's Painting Workshop:
http://web.newsguy.com/Mrtinsworkshop/
 
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"Ty" <tbeardSPAM@tyler.net> wrote in message news:<109kbs56p27rk7c@corp.supernews.com>...
> "mparx66" <parx@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:f1279f72.0405042319.1b2fd3c8@posting.google.com...
> > Stop the good discussions and see what you get.... Puppets. Fricken
> > puppets. Oh, Let's not have intelligent conversation. Let's all run
> > and hide, and stick to mommy talk.... Wah, wah, wah..... Table talk is
> > evil, I have to think and stuff... I have paint questions (no, really,
> > I do. I just have to become more coherent to ask them.), beer points,
> > and contemporary history making comments to razor off my chest. FOR
> > THE GREAT CREATORS-SAKE, SAY SOMETHING NASTY (board-wise) SOMEONE....
> > or I will........
>
> Something nasty.
>
> <ducks for cover>
>
> --Ty

I can tell, you've been itching..... 😉

Mark
 
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>
> Mark, you're going to have to accept that EBay and the color of the
> French 1813 uniform will remain the focus of this forum-which, It must
> be pointed out is down to few postings a day.
>
> BJ

Bob,

Nope. Never. Can't be. In all things, one faces two. Left dances with
right. Illness coos to cure. Hot and cold balm one-another. Water and
desert embrace. In no way, shape, or form should this board be denuded
of it's broad scope, it's sweeping intellect, and it's opposites. A
table musters four sides and is in harmony, can't we at least come up
with two?

The French didn't have enough to do with white material while an
Italian-Corsican was in charge so they fouled everything up be using
it for uniforms without thinking of the future (the Italian-Corsican
wasn't going to be around forever). An eye to history would've kept
blue, blue... 😉

Mark

PS EBay's not bad.
 
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highwiremedia@earthlink.net (Bob Jones) wrote in message news:<73e9b810.0405061531.4f02c59d@posting.google.com>...
> "Ty" <tbeardSPAM@tyler.net> wrote in message news:<109kbs56p27rk7c@corp.supernews.com>...
> > "mparx66" <parx@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> > news:f1279f72.0405042319.1b2fd3c8@posting.google.com...
> > > Stop the good discussions and see what you get.... Puppets. Fricken
> > > puppets. Oh, Let's not have intelligent conversation. Let's all run
> > > and hide, and stick to mommy talk.... Wah, wah, wah..... Table talk is
> > > evil, I have to think and stuff... I have paint questions (no, really,
> > > I do. I just have to become more coherent to ask them.), beer points,
> > > and contemporary history making comments to razor off my chest. FOR
> > > THE GREAT CREATORS-SAKE, SAY SOMETHING NASTY (board-wise) SOMEONE....
> > > or I will........
> >
> > Something nasty.
> >
> > <ducks for cover>
> >
> > --Ty
>
> Oh, O.K....George Bush not only doesn't read books, but apparently
> doesn't read much of anything else, Iraq "Democratization", U.S. war
> deaths in the 700s and headed up, $2.00 plus gas, Iraq prison scandal,
> electronic voting machine failures, censorship by Sinclair
> Broadcasting, another $25 Billion for three months of the
> occupation-(total so far pushing 200 Billion-$600 billion at some
> point is looking very likely), outsourcing jobs,only one Enron
> conviction-a woman, of course, just like poor little Martha, general
> revolt in the scientific community to the misuse of data by the
> administration, most of the world rejecting the US policies and
> leadership, nearly 50% drop in the US dollar versus the Euro in four
> years, non-existant Global Warming making the West a tinder box, under
> funded education programs, increasing numbers of people without health
> coverage, deficits continue to grow...
>
> No lack of "Something Nasty". Our present inept leadership seems
> quite capable of creating lots of nasties.

Let's try this for a debate leader. When there is a heated discussion
raging about Napoleon, I always wind up saying, "compared to who?". If
given enough time for retrospection, it's amazing how even and
thoughtful things get. Then last call....

> Over to you, Ty.

Where's he been?

> BJ
>
> PS Is the Blue in the French 1814 uniform the same shade as in 1803?

The white uniforms ruined everthing....

> Are Old Glory's price increases related to tin prices, general
> inflationary pressures, OG's dominance of the market, or does Russ
> need a new Mercedes? All of the above?

You know, years ago, (if it's the same people), Russ's wife fished me
out of a Historicon (95', 96'?) dealers area crowd and gave me $120.00
of free ACW lead after pruchasing $800.00 worth the day before. I hope
Russ got a new Mercedes. Be nice to ride in it...

> Why has no one used the new miniature sound circuit boards to allow
> sound effects for wargames?

Belches and farts weren't enough?

Mark
 
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samvanga@aol.com (SamVanga) wrote in message news:<20040507105531.07718.00000348@mb-m24.aol.com>...
> >Don't give in to hate, Sam. Do not let Vader, er, Jones, bait you into
> >another senseless and unending off topic flamewar. That leads to the Dark
> >Side.
>
> Oh I'm not. Its more of the grey side of the Force. I'm really extremely sad
> about the coming election (and its choice of two utterly worthless punks, if
> incresing news reports and open letters, etc. are to be believed).

History will judge. Bush or Kerry? Even if Bush didn't pay his bar tab
I couldn't see picking Kerry. He's not human (Kerry that is).

> OTOH, Jones could not go totally unanswered less he try to claim victory by
> default.
>
> I'm going back to Rise of Nations now. Not as much as fun a human opponent,
> but far less "difficult" (in the human sense, not complexity).
>
> Anyone think the movie "Troy" will lead to any new members/products/interest in
> wargaming? I didn't even realize it was a regular movie until I saw the Time
> Mag. article (thought it was for cable before). At least they got the shape of
> the shields right, that is nice.

Almost. According to those old WRG books I've got, they are rather
more clothed than they should be and the sheilds should be alot bigger
and cow colored. The hero style combat may be good though. May
actually go see it since it looks like the closest thing yet to
historical. Maybe Jennifer will be there.....

Mark
 
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"Ty" <tbeardSPAM@tyler.net> wrote in message news:<109n6og942d9i49@corp.supernews.com>...
> "Bob Jones" <highwiremedia@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > "Ty" <tbeardSPAM@tyler.net> wrote in message
> news:<109kbs56p27rk7c@corp.supernews.com>...
> > > Something nasty.
> > >
> > > <ducks for cover>
>
> > Oh, O.K....George Bush not only doesn't read books, blah blah blah blah...
>
> > Over to you, Ty.
>
> Dear Mr. Jones,
>
> After long and extensive consideration lasting almost 1.3 seconds, I am very
> sorry to inform you that I must deny with prejudice your request to
> re-engage in an off-topic discussion.
>
> I realize that this comes as unwelcome news to you and that it constitutes a
> tragic blow. However, I remind you that it's always darkest before the dawn,
> that every cloud has a silver lining, etc. I therefore urge you to try to
> carry on as best you can and are hopeful that you will find some degree of
> success in your other endeavors.
>
> I remain, your most humble and obedient servant,
>
> Ty

Ty,

You know you're itching.... Been a while.

Mark
 
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John Secker <john@secker.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:<maLJllCQmAnAFwHP@secker.demon.co.uk>...
> In message <109n754r1rrm53e@corp.supernews.com>, Ty
> <tbeardSPAM@tyler.net> writes
> >"SamVanga" <samvanga@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:20040507035438.29140.00000986@mb-m13.aol.com...
> >> >No lack of "Something Nasty". Our present inept leadership seems
> >> >quite capable of creating lots of nasties.
> >> >
> >>
> >> And eight years of Clinton proved it even earlier. So what?
> >>
> >> Sad thing, it looks like yet another choice of the evils of the two
> lessers
> >> AGAIN this round.
> >
> ><Begin Obi-Wan Kenobi Voice>
> >
> >Don't give in to hate, Sam. Do not let Vader, er, Jones, bait you into
> >another senseless and unending off topic flamewar. That leads to the Dark
> >Side.
> >
> ><End Obi-Wan Kenobi Voice>
> >
> Give in to your Dark Side, Ty, you know you want to. You'll feel better
> if you do, you know. Just a little bit - nobody will blame you, and you
> will be able to sleep again without the Voices coming in the dead of
> night.

Vioces. Have you guys been conferencing late at night? That's not right.....

Mark
 
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>According to those old WRG books I've got, they are rather
>more clothed than they should be

Yeah, there may be some of that for the rank and file types anyway. As for the
heroes, Homer did talk about a fair amount of armor.

>sheilds should be alot bigger
>and cow colored.

I must say the previews make them look pretty big. Although, I agree with you,
more leather, les metal.

>May
>actually go see it since it looks like the closest thing yet to
>historical.

I sincerely hope they do justice to the story. I am especially interested in
how they do Hector. He and Odysseus <sp?> were always my favorites.