Q. Fountain / Card Name question.

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Got an interesting one for you all.

Let's say I have a Quicksilver Fountain in play, and it has put a flood
counter on one of my opponent's Plains. I turn the land into an artifact
using Myr Landshaper, then cast Splinter on it.

What do I remove from my opponent's deck -- all his Plains, or all his
Islands?

Quicksilver Fountain 3
Artifact MR-Rare

At the beginning of each player's upkeep, that player puts a flood counter
on target non-Island land he or she controls of his or her choice. That
land is an Island as long as it has a flood counter on it. ; At end of turn,
if all lands in play are Islands, remove all flood counters from them.

Splinter 2GG
Sorcery BoK-Uncommon

Remove target artifact from the game. Search its controller's graveyard,
hand, and library for all cards with the same name as that artifact and
remove them from the game. That player then shuffles his or her library.


.... ...
Remus Shepherd <remus@panix.com>

 

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Remus Shepherd wrote:

> Got an interesting one for you all.
>
> Let's say I have a Quicksilver Fountain in play, and it has put a flood
> counter on one of my opponent's Plains. I turn the land into an artifact
> using Myr Landshaper, then cast Splinter on it.
>
> What do I remove from my opponent's deck -- all his Plains, or all his
> Islands?

His Plains. The land's *type* has been changed to Island, but the land's
*name* is still Plains.
>
> Quicksilver Fountain 3
> Artifact MR-Rare
>
> At the beginning of each player's upkeep, that player puts a flood counter
> on target non-Island land he or she controls of his or her choice. That
> land is an Island as long as it has a flood counter on it. ; At end of
> turn, if all lands in play are Islands, remove all flood counters from
> them.
>
> Splinter 2GG
> Sorcery BoK-Uncommon
>
> Remove target artifact from the game. Search its controller's graveyard,
> hand, and library for all cards with the same name as that artifact and
> remove them from the game. That player then shuffles his or her library.
>
>
> ... ...
> Remus Shepherd <remus@panix.com>

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Remus Shepherd <remus@panix.com> wrote:
> Let's say I have a Quicksilver Fountain in play, and it has put a flood
>counter on one of my opponent's Plains. I turn the land into an artifact
>using Myr Landshaper, then cast Splinter on it.
>
> What do I remove from my opponent's deck -- all his Plains, or all his
>Islands?

All his Plains. Changing the land's land type to "island" didn't change its
name; it's now an artifact Island land whose name is "Plains" and whose
ability is "Tap: Add U to your mana pool".

It used to be the case, before 8th Edition, that changing a land's type
changed its name too. Now it's not the case.

Dave
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Time to step up the meds; I could have sworn Remus Shepherd just said...
> Got an interesting one for you all.
>
> Let's say I have a Quicksilver Fountain in play, and it has put a flood
> counter on one of my opponent's Plains. I turn the land into an artifact
> using Myr Landshaper, then cast Splinter on it.
>
> What do I remove from my opponent's deck -- all his Plains, or all his
> Islands?

His Plains. Quicksilver Fountain gives all his lands the subtype
"Island" but it does not change their names. In general, unless the
current Oracle wording specifically mentions names, cards where this
might seem confusing always refer to subtypes. (For example, check Sift
Through Sands to get an idea of how a card has to be worded to care
about and/or affect names.)

(An apparent exception is cards that use their *own* names, which are a
different thing entirely. A card's own name is really shorthand for
"this specific card".)


> Quicksilver Fountain 3
> Artifact MR-Rare
>
> At the beginning of each player's upkeep, that player puts a flood counter
> on target non-Island land he or she controls of his or her choice. That
> land is an Island as long as it has a flood counter on it. ; At end of turn,
> if all lands in play are Islands, remove all flood counters from them.
>
> Splinter 2GG
> Sorcery BoK-Uncommon
>
> Remove target artifact from the game. Search its controller's graveyard,
> hand, and library for all cards with the same name as that artifact and
> remove them from the game. That player then shuffles his or her library.
>
>
> ... ...
> Remus Shepherd <remus@panix.com>
>

 

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Changing a land's type doesn't change its name (since 8th edition rules).
Your opponent gets a card named "Plains" which has the type "Basic Land
- Island" and the rules textbox for Islands.

As splinter looks for the name of the land, all your opponent's plains
will be removed but not the islands.

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212.6. Land

212.6e If an effect changes a land's type to one or more of the basic
land types, the land no longer has its old land type. It loses any rules
text it had in its text box, and it gains the rules text for the
appropriate mana ability for each of its basic land types. Note that
this doesn't remove any abilities that were granted to the land by other
effects. Changing a land's type doesn't add or remove any types (such as
creature) or supertypes (such as basic, legendary, and snow-covered) the
land may have. If a land gains one or more land types in addition to its
own, it keeps its land types and rules text, and it gains the new land
types and mana abilities.


418.6. Text-Changing Effects

418.6a An effect that changes the text of an object changes only those
words that are used in the correct way (for example, a Magic color word
being used as a color word, a land type word used as a land type, or a
creature type word used as a creature type). The effect can't change a
proper noun, such as a card name, even if that proper noun contains a
word or a series of letters that is the same as a Magic color word,
basic land type, or creature type.