Quad-Core Beasts! Intel vs. AMD (9500, 9550, Q6600)

[cnumartyr]

Thanks. newegg is my mail order vender of choice, but I heard elsewhere that about three weeks ago they were still shipping B3's. I wanted to go with Penryn, but I heard recently that they are incompatible with 680i motherboards.

No problem. The Q6600 is a great chip.

 

[jerseygamer]

The Q6600 does not hit 3.0 99% of the time without a good aftermarket cooler and a voltage increase. Taking into account all of the stress you put on your MB doing it as well shortening its life and greatly increasing the chances of burning your system up its just not worth it in any way. If you are a gamer and dont feel like risking a new MB or CPU in possibly hours after first boot then stay away from the Q6600. If you dont game then there is little to no point in OCing the Q6600.

I dare to see a Q6600 system bench as good as my x2 6400 on a new 790fx MB. On top of that most of the venders are saying they wont be supporting the new Intels coming out on the current chipsets. So when it comes to upgrades AMD is the only clear path atm. In a little while the new AM2+ chips will be out. Unless you plan on dumping over 700++ on an Intel now you might as well just wait and enjoy your Spider rig with a good X2.

 

[RedZone]

I say take the 5000BE and with the 100 dollars you'll save over the Q6600 setup buy yourself more ram or storage.

then wait for the quads to drop in price.

 

[cnumartyr]

The Q6600 does not hit 3.0 99% of the time without a good aftermarket cooler and a voltage increase. Taking into account all of the stress you put on your MB doing it as well shortening its life and greatly increasing the chances of burning your system up its just not worth it in any way. If you are a gamer and dont feel like risking a new MB or CPU in possibly hours after first boot then stay away from the Q6600. If you dont game then there is little to no point in OCing the Q6600.

I dare to see a Q6600 system bench as good as my x2 6400 on a new 790fx MB. On top of that most of the venders are saying they wont be supporting the new Intels coming out on the current chipsets. So when it comes to upgrades AMD is the only clear path atm. In a little while the new AM2+ chips will be out. Unless you plan on dumping over 700++ on an Intel now you might as well just wait and enjoy your Spider rig with a good X2.

I like how you did that. Commenting on a processor you don't owns OCing performance. I happen to know for a FACT that most G0 Q6600s that I've seen and worked with will do 3.0 GHz without going over the VID of the processor. You don't stress the motherboard by moving to a 333 MHz FSB unless you have a really old one that doesn't even support 333 MHz FSB. You don't have a clue of what you speak. Most $20 aftermarket coolers will accomplish this. I know a guy who uses an Arctic Freezer Pro 7 and gets 3.6 GHz out of his Q6600.

Also where did the $700 figure come from? The processor is about $300 max, and if you wanted to go high end it'd be a motherboard for about $240. That's about $540 and considering everything else is the same. Video card, Memory, all that stuff would be the same. A good air cooler is maybe $60 max, so I'll give you $600.

As far as benchmarks, if I felt like shelling out the money for a decent graphics card I'd run some 3Dmark06 against you. However I don't care about a great graphics card as this is a F@H machine for me right now. Perhaps we can go toe to toe once the HD3870X2s come out and I get 2 of them in an X38. Other than that let's go for some synthetics! $20 I win almost everything but memory bandwidth and latency. I don't personally know the potential of a 6400+ but from every benchmark I've seen I have no reason to think it would beat a 3.6 GHz Q6600.. Unless of course you mean 3DMark06, in which case we all know that GPUs are where its at for high scores there.. and guess what? They cost the same for an Intel system as an AMD system!

If you are a gamer and dont feel like risking a new MB or CPU in possibly hours after first boot then stay away from the Q6600. If you dont game then there is little to no point in OCing the Q6600.

Also that has to be the quote of the year. I'm going to burn up my motherboard possibly in hours after the first boot? So if I don't game, there is no reason to OC the Q6600, but if I game I will burn up my motherboard by OCing it. But if I game I'm better off with a 6400+.. I just can't even make sense of this, it's hilarious. For the record there are other things to run on a Q6600, like F@H SMP.

 

[wirelessfender]

Jerseygamer... Are you kidding me? Im trying really hard right now not to be a jerk, but I am running a Q6600 at 3.0ghz WITH less voltage than my VID . Explain that one.

 

[monsterrocks]

The Q6600 does not hit 3.0 99% of the time without a good aftermarket cooler and a voltage increase.

:lol: That's like saying you will get a Phenom to 4.0Ghz. Both what you said and I said are not and never will be true...fanboy.

 

[pausert20]

I admire your AMD affiliation.

 

[wirelessfender]

VID is 1.225v for 2.4Ghz, Im at 3.0Ghz at 1.192v

 

[Mandrake_]

I dare to see a Q6600 system bench as good as my x2 6400 on a new 790fx MB

My E6300 will toast your 6400+ any day across a wide variety of workloads. :lol: That's the second slowest C2D vs. the absolute fastest dual core CPU AMD has now. It goes from 1.86Ghz -> 3.5GHz on air. For every day use I run it at 3Ghz, with the voltage down to 1.225V down from 1.325V. Of course, for this to work we would need the same video card, memory etc.

On top of that most of the venders are saying they wont be supporting the new Intels coming out on the current chipsets.

That's funny. I have three boards here that are all LGA775: An ASUS P5B, a Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3 and an Intel DG33FBC board. That's three different chipsets too:- P965, P35 and G33. They all support 45nm CPUs with a simple BIOS update.

Remind me again why this guy should buy a dual core CPU now, only to buy a quad core CPU with comparable performance to the Q6600 later?

 

[cnumartyr]

7 Hours Prime Stable on that one. 1.2875 VID and it did 3.2 GHz with 1.264 vCore on my old motherboard.

And no, we aren't trying to brag, just trying to educate people who obviously don't own the chip.

 

[cnumartyr]

That's funny. I have three boards here that are all LGA775: An ASUS P5B, a Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3 and an Intel DG33FBC board. That's three different chipsets too:- P965, P35 and G33. They all support 45nm CPUs with a simple BIOS update.

Good catch Mandrake, I didn't even see that one in there.

The ONLY thing he might be technically right on is the 1600 MHz FSB Penryn. That will (according to Intel) require an X48 because of the high FSB.

But hey, then he's wrong really.. because vendors like Gigabyte and Asus are already offering support for that on their X38s.

 

[TSIMonster]

On a video editing system with nearly no overclocking (business class machine) I can get an AMD Quadcore system for about $150 cheaper. I think at this point, thats a good buy. (This is not a gaming system)

What is the cheapest, good intel board I can get for a Q6600?

 

[vickytheboss]

I AMD phenom 9550x4 would be the best bang for bucks. Its with B3 stepping and L3 cache which is not present in the q6600. I'm having phenom 9550 x4 in a asus M2N-MXSE PLUS and a single msi 3870 hd and 4GB(2x2GB transcend 667 mhz). its fine and can be oc'd. AMD for life and ATI till death............

 

[vickytheboss]

hi. the AMd phenom is having internal FSB(for communication between the cores) of about 3.0 GHZ which is called as hyper transport technology while the intel processors use the motherboard to communicate which is about 1600 MHZ making the motherboards for intel costly. It is a wise choice to go for AMD. At extreme conditions, the temperature is well within 65 degree celcius for the stock cooler.....

 

[jimmysmitty]

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[radnor]

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