Question about "Second sunrise"

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Hi, I can't seem to understand the exact meaning of this card.

*****
Second Sunrise
1 colorless, 2 white, Instant.

"Each player returns to play all artifact, creature, enchantment, and
land cards that were put into his or her graveyard from play this
turn."
*****

Does any card put into the graveyard AFTER the spell was cast come
back into play?

It's confusing for me (English not being my 1st language).

On one side we have a past tense (were) but we also have a "this turn"


My guess is that they can't after the spell is cast. Otherwise, an
Atog would eat eternally and combos of similar mechanisms would be too
many/powerful... right?

Thnx.

 

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Jester_Dee@yahoo.com (Ritalin-Kid) writes:
> Hi, I can't seem to understand the exact meaning of this card.
>
> *****
> Second Sunrise
> 1 colorless, 2 white, Instant.
>
> "Each player returns to play all artifact, creature, enchantment, and
> land cards that were put into his or her graveyard from play this
> turn."
> *****

At the time it resolves, anything that went to a graveyard this turn
comes back.

> Does any card put into the graveyard AFTER the spell was cast come
> back into play?

Nope.

> It's confusing for me (English not being my 1st language).
> On one side we have a past tense (were) but we also have a "this turn"

The "were" does refer to the past, and "this turn" limits how far back
you're looking for cards. Without the "this turn", anything that had
*ever* gone to a graveyard from play would have come back.

I can see how it's confusing though, as the phrase "this turn" usually
limits how long in the future a continuous effect works. But, that's
not what they're using it for here.

> My guess is that they can't after the spell is cast. Otherwise, an
> Atog would eat eternally and combos of similar mechanisms would be too
> many/powerful... right?

Correct.

> Thnx.

You're welcome. Please post again if you have any more questions.

--
Peter C.
"I need to practice talking to myself now."
-- Me

 

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On 27 Aug 2004 06:34:04 -0700, Ritalin-Kid <Jester_Dee@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Hi, I can't seem to understand the exact meaning of this card.
>
>Second Sunrise
>"Each player returns to play all artifact, creature, enchantment, and
>land cards that were put into his or her graveyard from play this turn."
>
>Does any card put into the graveyard AFTER the spell was cast come
>back into play?

Any card put into the graveyard _before_ the spell _resolves_ comes back
into play. It doesn't matter if it went there before or after the spell
was cast (announced), only whether it is already there by the time the
spell resolves and takes effect. (So you could get stuff into the graveyard
in response to the spell, knowing it'll come back in a minute.)

Nothing that goes to the graveyard AFTER the spell resolves is affected.

>On one side we have a past tense (were) but we also have a "this turn"

That's to limit it: only ones that went (past tense) this turn, not ones
that went last turn or four turns ago.

>My guess is that they can't after the spell is cast. Otherwise, an
>Atog would eat eternally and combos of similar mechanisms would be too
>many/powerful... right?

Nothing that goes to the graveyard after the spell RESOLVES will come back.
But stuff that goes after it's announced and before it resolves will come
back; your Atog can eat stuff in response to the spell, then have it all
come back up (so to speak) as the spell is resolving.

Dave
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Ritalin-Kid, worshipped by llamas the world over, wrote...
> On one side we have a past tense (were) but we also have a "this turn"

Well, if it didn't say that, it wopuld return just about everything in
your graveyard...

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Jeff Heikkinen (oh@s.if) wrote:
: Ritalin-Kid, worshipped by llamas the world over, wrote...
: > On one side we have a past tense (were) but we also have a "this turn"

: Well, if it didn't say that, it wopuld return just about everything in
: your graveyard...

To be really proper-English-picky, to work as desired it should say
"...*since the beginning of* this turn..." to keep the tenses in line.
But they're trying to cut down the number of words on the cards, too,
and this one's not as confusing as some...


Keith "but a card that spews your entire graveyard into play all at once
would be fun! Broken, but fun!"