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I would wait and see what Ryzen 7000 is like compared to Intel 13th gen before upgrading from 10th gen. I myself might hold out even longer. I am curious to see if AMD will do 3D v-cache versions of the 7000 chips at the start, or do a refresh with them. That might be the time for me.

Haven't seen a response from Intel regarding tons of cache, just more E cores planned. I think raptor lake tops out at 36MB of cache. AMD sitting over there with 96MB of cache on their first go...
 
I would wait and see what Ryzen 7000 is like compared to Intel 13th gen before upgrading from 10th gen. I myself might hold out even longer. I am curious to see if AMD will do 3D v-cache versions of the 7000 chips at the start, or do a refresh with them. That might be the time for me.

Haven't seen a response from Intel regarding tons of cache, just more E cores planned. I think raptor lake tops out at 36MB of cache. AMD sitting over there with 96MB of cache on their first go...
Yeah all my games work smoothly but when new things come out for computers keep getting thoughts in my head to buy it. But 10900k cpu for gaming will last. Seen youtube vid that put me off with ddr5 vs ddr4 not enough fps to make me buy it just to gain extra 20 to 10 fps speed
 

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10900K is pretty good, I wouldn’t do it. You can upgrade the whole system once new GPUs and new CPUs are out, that would make more sense.
 
I would wait and see what Ryzen 7000 is like compared to Intel 13th gen before upgrading from 10th gen. I myself might hold out even longer. I am curious to see if AMD will do 3D v-cache versions of the 7000 chips at the start, or do a refresh with them. That might be the time for me.

Haven't seen a response from Intel regarding tons of cache, just more E cores planned. I think raptor lake tops out at 36MB of cache. AMD sitting over there with 96MB of cache on their first go...
And cache is important for gaming and lots of other stuff. I noticed that with this 5900x.
 

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And cache is important for gaming and lots of other stuff. I noticed that with this 5900x.
Yeah, it was one of the reasons the 11900K (16mb) wasn't significantly faster than the 10900K (20mb) in many game titles. The other reason I got this thing. Alderlake has 30mb which is comparable to the high end Ryzen 5000 parts.

Take the high IPC of Alderlake or Raptorlake and slap on some more cache, it would be interesting to see how it compares. AMD kind of has it on their roadmap to do v-cache for Ryzen 7000, but nothing certain. Doesn't look like the first 7000 series will though. I am hoping for a 2023 refresh that does.
 
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Yeah, it was one of the reasons the 11900K (16mb) wasn't significantly faster than the 10900K (20mb) in many game titles. The other reason I got this thing. Alderlake has 30mb which is comparable to the high end Ryzen 5000 parts.

Take the high IPC of Alderlake or Raptorlake and slap on some more cache, it would be interesting to see how it compares. AMD kind of has it on their roadmap to do v-cache for Ryzen 7000, but nothing certain. Doesn't look like the first 7000 series will though. I am hoping for a 2023 refresh that does.
Yeah 11900k intel kinda destroyed that with the specs
 

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Latest rumor is that Ryzen 7000 vCache will be 100MB. Those will not launch with Ryzen 7000 this fall.
That’s just like 5800X3D then (96MB L3 + 4 MB L2), makes no sense though. L2 on Zen 4 is doubled, so it would be 104 MB instead and I doubt they will increase the V cache, it’s more than enough.
 
That’s just like 5800X3D then (96MB L3 + 4 MB L2), makes no sense though. L2 on Zen 4 is doubled, so it would be 104 MB instead and I doubt they will increase the V cache, it’s more than enough.
Imagine if L3 cache becomes a "gaming" metric and in 10 years we are counting the amount of gigabytes of L3 and how many 100's of mbs of L2 there is in our CPUs.
 
In my opinion if his primary use is gaming he should stick with the 10900k for as long as he can maintain 200-300 fps in 1080p or 1440p at 150-200 fps. Otherwise there is no point in upgrading past what he has.
I game but dont really check the frame rates aslong as its smooth that what all that matters and with 17 12700k dont really see benfit with two extra cores. Since AMD is getting much better might aswell see what happens in future because dont see 10900k is going to struggle yet. Only thing can do is ditch ddr5 and stay with ddr4 and 12900k but then again thats bad idea to
 

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I game but dont really check the frame rates aslong as its smooth that what all that matters and with 17 12700k dont really see benfit with two extra cores. Since AMD is getting much better might aswell see what happens in future because dont see 10900k is going to struggle yet. Only thing can do is ditch ddr5 and stay with ddr4 and 12900k but then again thats bad idea to
The 12900K is a power hungry heat producing hose job for a gaming build imo. As far as DDR5 goes ... it' getting cheaper.

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007611 601396890 600327642 <--- DDR5 continues to drop in price.

MSI MAG B660M MORTAR WIFI DDR5 $169.99

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-B660M-MORTAR-WIFI

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-i7-12700F-2-1GHz-6xxChipset-BX8071512700F/
Intel Core i7-12700F $312.96

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/134592/intel-core-i712700f-processor-25m-cache-up-to-4-90-ghz.html

 
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I would wait and see what Ryzen 7000 is like compared to Intel 13th gen before upgrading from 10th gen. I myself might hold out even longer. I am curious to see if AMD will do 3D v-cache versions of the 7000 chips at the start, or do a refresh with them. That might be the time for me.

Haven't seen a response from Intel regarding tons of cache, just more E cores planned. I think raptor lake tops out at 36MB of cache. AMD sitting over there with 96MB of cache on their first go...
The 5800X3D is much worse in everything but gaming, and tmk that's the only SKU with that much cache, I wouldn't think it's safe to make this assumption.
 
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It was on their recent presentation even under the Ryzen 7000 line up, and was half confirmed after direct questioning. And again more recently if I recall. Just no firm timeline other than "After the launch of Ryzen 7000"

We can call the 5800X3D a production prototype. It has issues with clock speeds and temperature so that the cache doesn't fail, but those are probably being addressed now.
 
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It was on their recent presentation even under the Ryzen 7000 line up, and was half confirmed after direct questioning. And again more recently if I recall. Just no firm timeline other than "After the launch of Ryzen 7000"

We can call the 5800X3D a production prototype. It has issues with clock speeds and temperature so that the cache doesn't fail, but those are probably being addressed now.
My 5800X3D hits 4.55ghz on 4 cores and 4.45ghz on 4 cores. I have not seen it get hotter than my old 3900x (78C).
 

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