Question about Vegas Video

[Guest]

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I understand how nonlinear, nondestructive video editing works. I'm a
newbie to video editing, but I'm an audio professional, so similar
rules apply. I've used Sound Forge for years.

If I capture several video clips from an analog camera, but the
beginning and end of the clips are "messy," that is, containing
material from previous or subsequent clips, why can't I trim or
truncate them?

I understand that I can drag a clip onto the Vegas timeline, and very
simply drag the front or rear edge of the clip to define what I want
to be included.

But I want to definitively and destructively edit the clips
themselves. As I said, this is analog capture, so in many clips there
is material at the beginning that I don't want. I simply want to chop
it off and resave the clip.

Why can't this expensive software package do this? They talk about
markers and regions and the "Trimmer Window" which doesn't seem to do
anything. How does a normal person chop a few freaking frames off of
a video clip!?!? When software tries to babysit me, I go elsewhere.

I'm annoyed. How do I edit clips?

 

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<Mitch@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:10ksc05hcb54t2urotp4knpvou7gt5h6ff@4ax.com...
> I understand how nonlinear, nondestructive video editing works. I'm a
> newbie to video editing, but I'm an audio professional, so similar
> rules apply. I've used Sound Forge for years.
>
> If I capture several video clips from an analog camera, but the
> beginning and end of the clips are "messy," that is, containing
> material from previous or subsequent clips, why can't I trim or
> truncate them?
>
> I understand that I can drag a clip onto the Vegas timeline, and very
> simply drag the front or rear edge of the clip to define what I want
> to be included.
>
> But I want to definitively and destructively edit the clips
> themselves. As I said, this is analog capture, so in many clips there
> is material at the beginning that I don't want. I simply want to chop
> it off and resave the clip.
>
> Why can't this expensive software package do this? They talk about
> markers and regions and the "Trimmer Window" which doesn't seem to do
> anything. How does a normal person chop a few freaking frames off of
> a video clip!?!? When software tries to babysit me, I go elsewhere.
>
> I'm annoyed. How do I edit clips?

Ten minutes with the Vegas manual would have saved
you hours of waiting for an answer.

Rick

 

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Mitch@hotmail.com wrote:
> I understand how nonlinear, nondestructive video editing works. I'm a
> newbie to video editing, but I'm an audio professional, so similar
> rules apply. I've used Sound Forge for years.
>
> If I capture several video clips from an analog camera, but the
> beginning and end of the clips are "messy," that is, containing
> material from previous or subsequent clips, why can't I trim or
> truncate them?
>
> I understand that I can drag a clip onto the Vegas timeline, and very
> simply drag the front or rear edge of the clip to define what I want
> to be included.
>
> But I want to definitively and destructively edit the clips
> themselves. As I said, this is analog capture, so in many clips there
> is material at the beginning that I don't want. I simply want to chop
> it off and resave the clip.
>
> Why can't this expensive software package do this? They talk about
> markers and regions and the "Trimmer Window" which doesn't seem to do
> anything. How does a normal person chop a few freaking frames off of
> a video clip!?!? When software tries to babysit me, I go elsewhere.
>
> I'm annoyed. How do I edit clips?


Take several deep breaths there Mitch. This "expensive software package"
can do more than some $10,000.00 packages can.

Have you done as I suggested in the "Vegas video scene detection" thread and
downloaded and read the manual, specifically p. 96 on using the trimmer?
Skip forward to p. 100 and read "creating a subclip" as I think this feature
(it's in the trimmer window and is conveniently called "create subclip")
will do exactly what you want. I do this regularly on the dps Velocity I
use at work but had never used this feature in Vegas (didn't even realize
Vegas could do it). After I read your response, I browsed the manual,
opened up a clip in the trimmer and, within 10 seconds, created 3 subclips
of my choosing.

The software isn't trying to "babysit" you, rather it's waiting for you to
tell it what to do - and Vegas can do a lot of things that you aren't even
aware of yet.

Did you learn Sound Forge in a day? I doubt it. Give Vegas a chance by
reading the manual and browsing some of the excellent forums dedicated to
it. Start with the one hosted by Sony themselves. There are folks on that
forum who will astound you with what they can do with it.

Mike

 

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In news:Mike Kujbida <kujfam-misleadingspam@sympatico.ca> typed:
>
> Have you done as I suggested in the "Vegas video scene detection"
> thread and downloaded and read the manual, specifically p. 96 on
> using the trimmer? Skip forward to p. 100 and read "creating a
> subclip" as I think this feature (it's in the trimmer window and is
> conveniently called "create subclip") will do exactly what you want.
> I do this regularly on the dps Velocity I use at work but had never
> used this feature in Vegas (didn't even realize Vegas could do it).
> After I read your response, I browsed the manual, opened up a clip in
> the trimmer and, within 10 seconds, created 3 subclips of my choosing.
>

Here's my beef Mike, and it's close to the op. Theses subclip would only
be available for the current project, if you need self standing file you
would have to go through the menu to render theses to new track (no
right click here), and doing so please don't forget to select the audio
part also or your new file won't have any audio in it. All this could be
made much simpler if the trimmer would actually do what it's name imply
and would actually TRIM something. As it stands the trimmer is pretty
much useless unless you need part of a video of a specifique lenght, and
I wonder if peoples use it much.
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BTW Mike, How is the Magic bullet plug-in working on your machine? On
mine it's so incredibly slow that it's unusable, but maybe it's because
I'm still on the trial and not registered yet? The new vector masking on
the other hand is great, in itself worth the upgrade.


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Deco_time wrote:
> In news:Mike Kujbida <kujfam-misleadingspam@sympatico.ca> typed:
>>
>> Have you done as I suggested in the "Vegas video scene detection"
>> thread and downloaded and read the manual, specifically p. 96 on
>> using the trimmer? Skip forward to p. 100 and read "creating a
>> subclip" as I think this feature (it's in the trimmer window and is
>> conveniently called "create subclip") will do exactly what you want.
>> I do this regularly on the dps Velocity I use at work but had never
>> used this feature in Vegas (didn't even realize Vegas could do it).
>> After I read your response, I browsed the manual, opened up a clip in
>> the trimmer and, within 10 seconds, created 3 subclips of my
>> choosing.
>>
>
> Here's my beef Mike, and it's close to the op. Theses subclip would
> only be available for the current project, if you need self standing
> file you would have to go through the menu to render theses to new
> track (no right click here), and doing so please don't forget to
> select the audio part also or your new file won't have any audio in
> it. All this could be made much simpler if the trimmer would actually
> do what it's name imply and would actually TRIM something. As it
> stands the trimmer is pretty much useless unless you need part of a
> video of a specifique lenght, and I wonder if peoples use it much.


As I said, I personally never use it. I know several folks on the various
Vegas forums do so I'd suggest having a look through them to see exactly how
they're using the trimmer.

Mike

 

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Deco_time wrote:
> BTW Mike, How is the Magic bullet plug-in working on your machine? On
> mine it's so incredibly slow that it's unusable, but maybe it's
> because I'm still on the trial and not registered yet? The new vector
> masking on the other hand is great, in itself worth the upgrade.

Same "incredibly slow to render" complaint on all the Vegas forums.
A P-10 quad processor is definitely required here
BTW, all that registering gets you is 5 or 10 more presets.

Mike

 

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>
>Take several deep breaths there Mitch.

Ok...I'm alright now.
I did check the manual, and I did know about subclips.
But isn't a subclip still just a window into the original clip?

It works fine, like you said, but I was trying to figure out why I
couldn't literally trim unwanted material off, and throw it away
forever, like I can do in Sound Forge with the simple Delete key.

 

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<Mitch@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> >
> >Take several deep breaths there Mitch.
>
> Ok...I'm alright now.
> I did check the manual, and I did know about subclips.
> But isn't a subclip still just a window into the original clip?
>
> It works fine, like you said, but I was trying to figure out why I
> couldn't literally trim unwanted material off, and throw it away
> forever, like I can do in Sound Forge with the simple Delete key.
>
Well you see, that is the key right there.

You right click on the audio clip and see the option to open the
audio in your audio editor. If you had Sound Forge set in preferences
as your audio editor, then SF will open up and you can do whatever
you might normally do in SF and then save it. When you come back
to Vegas, your changes should automatically be reflected in the clip
on the timeline. At least I think it works that way

David

 

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>You right click on the audio clip and see the option to open the
>audio in your audio editor.

But that won't do anything with the video.

I'm still in "playing around" mode with the trial version. I'm not
even worried about rendering or even saving a project. I'm just
capturing video and playing around with the basic functionality.

I'll definitely buy the software, because I've browsed the PDF manual
and I see how amazingly powerful it is. I'm just shocked that I can't
highlight a chunk of audio/video and chop it off, or that I can't find
that ability if it exists.

 

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<Mitch@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> >You right click on the audio clip and see the option to open the
> >audio in your audio editor.
>
> But that won't do anything with the video.
>
That may well be true. Sorry

> I'm still in "playing around" mode with the trial version. I'm not
> even worried about rendering or even saving a project. I'm just
> capturing video and playing around with the basic functionality.
>
> I'll definitely buy the software, because I've browsed the PDF manual
> and I see how amazingly powerful it is. I'm just shocked that I can't
> highlight a chunk of audio/video and chop it off, or that I can't find
> that ability if it exists.
>
I've never used a nonlinear video editor that had the exact feature
you are looking for. All of the Nonlinear editor I have seen are
non destructive when they edit.

You can mark a region and render that to a file, and then use
the rendered clip on your timeline in Vegas, but that isn't exactly
what you are looking for.

Some editors have consolidate functions. For instance, Incite
(perhaps Premiere Pro too) can look at what you have on the
timeline and do several things. It can create a new project
with just the video and audio you actually used on your timeline.
This can be handled a couple ways. Under one scenario, the
actual clips have to be recaptured, but it will only capture the
video/audio that is being used. Another scenario is that the
footage used will be extracted from the clips on the timeline,
allowing you to delete the original clips. Unfortunately, this is
not exactly what you asked for either.

David
David

 

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> Some editors have consolidate functions. For instance, Incite
> (perhaps Premiere Pro too) can look at what you have on the

In Premier Pro you just drag the original file down to the timeline, select
the Razor tool, click at the point you want to trim at the beginning and end
of the clip, then use the select command to delete the unwanted parts. Then
you export the file, in it's trimmed state, anwhere you want.

I believe that's what the op was trying to do.

 

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> Unfortunately, this is
>not exactly what you asked for either.


That's okay, thanks for the reply.
I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't missing the function.
If it's not there, I'm sure it's for a good reason. They seem to be
pretty smart.

 

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Mitch,
I remember three years ago when I started with video editing I basically
had the same problem as you have now. I just wanted to delete scenes
I didn't like from the hard drive. Forever.
But that's not how video-editing programs are designed to work.
I have tried more than half a dozen video-editors in the meantime (and
Vegas is by FAR the best - highly recommended !).
However they all work nondestructive, i.e., "editing" is simply done by
managing a list of pointers to the original files.
I assume tempering with the original files would be much too time consuming.
Just remember that video means many times as much data as audio !
Anyway, once you accept this principle things begin to work out fine.
And you made a very good choice by selecting Vegas (did I mention
that before ? ;-)
Martin



> It works fine, like you said, but I was trying to figure out why I
> couldn't literally trim unwanted material off, and throw it away
> forever, like I can do in Sound Forge with the simple Delete key.

 

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Mitch@hotmail.com wrote:
>> You right click on the audio clip and see the option to open the
>> audio in your audio editor.
>
> But that won't do anything with the video.
>
> I'm still in "playing around" mode with the trial version. I'm not
> even worried about rendering or even saving a project. I'm just
> capturing video and playing around with the basic functionality.
>
> I'll definitely buy the software, because I've browsed the PDF manual
> and I see how amazingly powerful it is. I'm just shocked that I can't
> highlight a chunk of audio/video and chop it off, or that I can't find
> that ability if it exists.


Glad to hear that you'll be buying it. Seeing as how you're an audio pro, I
don't think you'll be disappointed with the many features of Vegas. As a
matter of fact, I know an engineer locally who just finished doing a CD for
a local band and did it entirely with Vegas.

As far as trimming clips is concerned, it seems that subclips (which only
save a "reference" to the modified clip) is the way to go as long as you
only need the modified clips for the project you're working on.
Otherwise, you'll have to do as suggested on the Sony Vegas forum and that
was:
"Just highlight the sections you want to keep and render them to a new AVI
file. Then delete the original AVI file and the "unwanted frames" will be
gone forever."
The only potential drawback to this is if you decide that you need a few
more seconds than you rendered out, you're SOL (assuming you deleted the
original clip, that is).
That's the real beauty of non-destructive editing, assuming you have enough
drive space, that is. The original clip will still be on tape but then you
have to recapture it.

Mike

 

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<Mitch@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I understand how nonlinear, nondestructive video editing works. I'm a
> newbie to video editing, but I'm an audio professional, so similar
> rules apply. I've used Sound Forge for years.
>
> If I capture several video clips from an analog camera, but the
> beginning and end of the clips are "messy," that is, containing
> material from previous or subsequent clips, why can't I trim or
> truncate them?
>
> I understand that I can drag a clip onto the Vegas timeline, and very
> simply drag the front or rear edge of the clip to define what I want
> to be included.
>
> But I want to definitively and destructively edit the clips
> themselves. As I said, this is analog capture, so in many clips there
> is material at the beginning that I don't want. I simply want to chop
> it off and resave the clip.
>
> Why can't this expensive software package do this? They talk about
> markers and regions and the "Trimmer Window" which doesn't seem to do
> anything. How does a normal person chop a few freaking frames off of
> a video clip!?!? When software tries to babysit me, I go elsewhere.
>
> I'm annoyed. How do I edit clips?

For simple cuts, I just play or use the arrow keys to move to the last frame
I want to keep, then hit the "s" key on the keyboard to "split" the clip at
that point, then just click on the part I don't want and hit "delete". Or
you can move part of the clip to a different part of the timeline since it
is now been cut away from the original clip.

Mike T just doing simple things with Vegas

 

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Mike T wrote:
> <Mitch@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:10ksc05hcb54t2urotp4knpvou7gt5h6ff@4ax.com...
>> I understand how nonlinear, nondestructive video editing works. I'm
>> a newbie to video editing, but I'm an audio professional, so similar
>> rules apply. I've used Sound Forge for years.
>>
>> If I capture several video clips from an analog camera, but the
>> beginning and end of the clips are "messy," that is, containing
>> material from previous or subsequent clips, why can't I trim or
>> truncate them?
>>
>> I understand that I can drag a clip onto the Vegas timeline, and very
>> simply drag the front or rear edge of the clip to define what I want
>> to be included.
>>
>> But I want to definitively and destructively edit the clips
>> themselves. As I said, this is analog capture, so in many clips
>> there is material at the beginning that I don't want. I simply want
>> to chop it off and resave the clip.
>>
>> Why can't this expensive software package do this? They talk about
>> markers and regions and the "Trimmer Window" which doesn't seem to do
>> anything. How does a normal person chop a few freaking frames off of
>> a video clip!?!? When software tries to babysit me, I go elsewhere.
>>
>> I'm annoyed. How do I edit clips?
>
> For simple cuts, I just play or use the arrow keys to move to the
> last frame I want to keep, then hit the "s" key on the keyboard to
> "split" the clip at that point, then just click on the part I don't
> want and hit "delete". Or you can move part of the clip to a
> different part of the timeline since it is now been cut away from the
> original clip.
>
> Mike T just doing simple things with Vegas


You do understand that all you've done is to remove a "virtual" section of
the clip. Because of the non-destructive nature of Vegas (and most NLEs),
the entire clip is still on your hard drive. All you've done is hidden it
from view.
BTW, there have been many times where I'm glad Vegas doesn't do destructive
editing or I'd be doing a whole lot of recapturing :-(

Mike

 

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>BTW, there have been many times where I'm glad Vegas doesn't do destructive
>editing or I'd be doing a whole lot of recapturing :-(


Yes, it seems that a simple modification of my expectations will make
everything work out.

I just need to get used to the video way of doing things.

In audio, when I open a clip, the first thing I do is chop off the
junk at the beginning!

 

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Mitch@hotmail.com wrote:

> But I want to definitively and destructively edit the clips
> themselves. As I said, this is analog capture, so in many
> clips there is material at the beginning that I don't want.
> I simply want to chop it off and resave the clip.

There was already a lengthy discussion about how modern
NLE's only use references and pointers to the original
clips (without actually modifying the video data) and try
to do their magic non-destructively, all the way to the
point when the project is finally rendered into another
file.

It has also been pointed out that - in the normal editing
workflow, at least - actually trimming (and resaving) the
source clips would be way too time-consuming.

However, if you for whatever reason still want to trim and cut
your original clips directly and permanently, download the free
VirtualDub tool at <http://www.virtualdub.org/> for this kind
of simple processing. Then you can just mark out the sections
you want to cut ouy, press delete and resave your clips, just
the way you originally wanted to.

Merely installing VirtualDub is not enough, though - you are
probably processing DV files, so you need to install a "Video
for Windows" DV codec. (VirtualDub does not currently support
DirectShow codecs, and Microsoft only provides a DirectShow
DV codec with Windows.) See <http://groups.google.com/grou
ps?selm=fCEfc.1821%24Ln3.204%40reader1.news.jippii.net> for
more information.

--
znark

 

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>>But I want to definitively and destructively edit the clips
>>themselves. As I said, this is analog capture, so in many
>>clips there is material at the beginning that I don't want.
>>I simply want to chop it off and resave the clip.

> However, if you for whatever reason still want to trim and cut
> your original clips directly and permanently, download the free
> VirtualDub tool at <http://www.virtualdub.org/> for this kind
> of simple processing. Then you can just mark out the sections
> you want to cut ouy, press delete and resave your clips, just
> the way you originally wanted to.

And make sure you select "no processing" for both audio and video

/Per

 

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On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 13:34:41 GMT, "david.mccall"
<david.mccallUNDERLINE@comcast.net> wrote:

>
><Mitch@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:eettc09hsbbc8ebo26u94j5ogf9polcqo1@4ax.com...

>> I'll definitely buy the software, because I've browsed the PDF manual
>> and I see how amazingly powerful it is. I'm just shocked that I can't
>> highlight a chunk of audio/video and chop it off, or that I can't find
>> that ability if it exists.

>I've never used a nonlinear video editor that had the exact feature
>you are looking for. All of the Nonlinear editor I have seen are
>non destructive when they edit.

Not for video, no. In Cakewalk (and I think still in Sonar, though I
haven't use this), I could basically save a copy of my whole project,
which included ONLY the stuff I was currently using (it could, as
well, dump it all into a "bundle" file, which was pretty handy for
schlepping around, backups, etc).

>You can mark a region and render that to a file, and then use
>the rendered clip on your timeline in Vegas, but that isn't exactly
>what you are looking for.

You can actually select a region and select "Render to new track" from
the tools menu, to do this all for you. Yeah, you have to render it,
but you really do have to render it, since that, by its nature, will
pick up things in your FX chain, multiple tracks, etc. and make the
one new thing. If you're just slicing a piece of a DV file into
another DV file, it really is just going to be a copy (eg, the DV
isn't re-rendered), which is, in fact, likely to be much faster than
trying to clip the source file in-place. Also, Vegas doesn't like to
do things that can't be undone in some way.

>Some editors have consolidate functions. For instance, Incite
>(perhaps Premiere Pro too) can look at what you have on the
>timeline and do several things. It can create a new project
>with just the video and audio you actually used on your timeline.

Yup; that's the Cakewalk thing, essentially.


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Mitch wrote:
>As I said, this is analog capture, so in many clips there
>is material at the beginning that I don't want. I simply want to chop
>it off and resave the clip.
>
>Why can't this expensive software package do this?

Vegas "simply" can do just what you want. Trim your clip as needed. Double
click it to create a time/loop region. From the file menu select render as.
Make sure the "render loop region only" box is checked. If no FX were added, it
will only be a file transfer and not a render. Delete original file.
Using the trimmer with regions would be a much better/faster way to go.
Just put your clip into the trimmer, create a time/loop region and then click
the floppy disk icon to save regions and markers. You can have more than one
region per clip.
Hope that helps.

Craig H.

 

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Dave Haynie wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 13:34:41 GMT, "david.mccall"
> <david.mccallUNDERLINE@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> <Mitch@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:eettc09hsbbc8ebo26u94j5ogf9polcqo1@4ax.com...
>
>>> I'll definitely buy the software, because I've browsed the PDF
>>> manual and I see how amazingly powerful it is. I'm just shocked
>>> that I can't highlight a chunk of audio/video and chop it off, or
>>> that I can't find that ability if it exists.
>
>> I've never used a nonlinear video editor that had the exact feature
>> you are looking for. All of the Nonlinear editor I have seen are
>> non destructive when they edit.
>
> Not for video, no. In Cakewalk (and I think still in Sonar, though I
> haven't use this), I could basically save a copy of my whole project,
> which included ONLY the stuff I was currently using (it could, as
> well, dump it all into a "bundle" file, which was pretty handy for
> schlepping around, backups, etc).
>
>snip<


You can do the same thing in Vegas. When you're saving a project, you have
the option to "copy and trim media with project". If you select this
option, you can either copy all media used or save a trimmed version. If
you select the trimmed version, you can add up to an extra 30 seconds of
each trimmed clip.

Mike

 

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>Just put your clip into the trimmer, create a time/loop region

Thanks alot...I will try this.
The source of my confusion was that I didn't know AVI can't be
"chopped" without re-encoding. That's why I didn't understand why
it's so easy with audio, but more difficult with video.

I'll try your method.

It will be nice when I get my DV camera and let it detect scenes by
timestamp. But until then, I've got about 20 unlabled 8mm tapes to go
through, going all the way back to about 1990.

Should be interesting.
I can't wait to see my 31" waistline in those.

 

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Mitch@hotmail.com wrote:
>> Just put your clip into the trimmer, create a time/loop region
>
> Thanks alot...I will try this.
> The source of my confusion was that I didn't know AVI can't be
> "chopped" without re-encoding.

Unless you mis-typed something here, AVIs can be chopped without
re-encoding. AS long as you do NO transitions of any kind, the render will
be a duplicate of the original. When you add any type of effect or title,
ONLY that specific segment has to be re-encoded. Things such as stills have
to be re-encoded because they were not AVIs in the first place and are now
being changed into that format.

Mike

> That's why I didn't understand why
> it's so easy with audio, but more difficult with video.
>
> I'll try your method.
>
> It will be nice when I get my DV camera and let it detect scenes by
> timestamp. But until then, I've got about 20 unlabled 8mm tapes to go
> through, going all the way back to about 1990.
>
> Should be interesting.
> I can't wait to see my 31" waistline in those.