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Hi, I just posted a thread about what CPU Cooling to get acording to my Rig.

-AMD FX6350
-16GB DDR3 HyperX Fury (4x4)
-Gigabyte 970A-DS3P
-Xigmatek Prime SD1484
-AMD Radeon R9 280X 3GB GDDR5
-Thermaltake GTS10 Black Case

So basically I changed the cooling system because the AMD stock one was way too loud, but it did the job of doing cooling pretty good 15-20ºC Idle / 45-50ºC Gaming.
So after installing the new cooler (installation was such a pain in the ass) I was able to see some weird stuff.

Note: In order to install the cooler I had to remove the back 12x12 fan on the case, which I thought was not going to be useful. (I never put it back so this is one point to have in mind)

Here are the temperatures screenshot according to some Prime95 Stress Test and Idle temps (with a 27ºC temperature on the room):

FPU Stress:

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Heat Test:

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Lots of RAM Tested:

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Idle

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So as you can see we have 60ºC temps at full load on Prime95 Tests and about 25ºC on idle temperatures, plus the case getting hot on the outside, which with the other cooler did not happen.
So you guys think this temperatures are correct?
Do you see anything wrong?
Shouldn't that cooler cool A LOT better than the stock one?
At least it does not make a lot of noise when gaming or at full load which was my main goal.

PS: I just realized something which I think it's very important here...

Look at this image:

http://images.tweaktown.com/content/4/3/4388_99_xigmatek_prime_sd1484_hdt_cpu_cooler_review_full.jpg

This is the correct way to install the cooler right? I mean every single image I see it is installed in that position with the fans on the "sides" one looking at the RAMs and the other looking at the backplate connections.
For some reason...mine is installed the other way arround or upside down, yes...
My cooler is not vertical, it is installed horizontal and one of the fans is looking at the top of the case and the other looking at the external cards connected to my PCI connections.
I think this might be some of the issues I'm having with heating, could that be possible or it's the same thing? Plus remember I removed the back 12x12 fan on the case...So what should I do? :(
 
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From my experience with Amd processors Amd overdive, Core Temp And Cpuid Hardware Monitor have always been the same reading within 1 Degree Celsius. That is once temps get in the High 30's and up. At least that is how my processors have done. FX 9590, 2 / FX 8350, FX 8320, FX 6100, FX4100.

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It might be me but I can't see any of your temps on any of your screenshots. Only seems to show voltages and clocks.

Also yes most people set up their heatsink as the picture you showed. The one in the picture is a Intel board which has a different socket design and attaches differently. For example when I install a TX3 my fans are facing up and down. I'm not sure if there is a work around unless the heatsink allows you install it both horizontally/vertically.
 
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Actually you can take a look at the temps. on the Rainmeter bar at the bottom, where it says: 1 - 23º 2- 23º - 3 - 23º - 4 - 23º.
Regarding the cooler position well, yes, I was not able to found any picture in the same position that I have even on AMD boards...so that's why I think it's not installed correctly.

PS: By the way just found out my RPM are always 970 RPM even full load or idle :O
Is there any way I can modify this? so I can do more RPM when on load to low down the temps a bit?
 
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You need to show us core and socket temps. Down load Hardware monitor or core temp. In hardware monitor the package temp is the key. What is it under load? Or use core temp. were are not to worried about Idle temps.

 
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You need to recheck your cooler Installation. This is PC Tech 101. Make sure you applied the tim or thermal paste right and reseat the cooler. If that does not solve you problem then a cpu cooler upgrade is in order. What make and model is your cooler?
 
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Read the original post carefully this time.

Hi, I just posted a thread about what CPU Cooling to get acording to my Rig.

-AMD FX6350
-16GB DDR3 HyperX Fury (4x4)
-Gigabyte 970A-DS3P
-Xigmatek Prime SD1484
-AMD Radeon R9 280X 3GB GDDR5
-Thermaltake GTS10 Black Case
 
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Ive got my idle temps at 15-20ºc, gaming at 45-50ºc and full load at 60ºc so I think I should be fine.
I think there is NO way to install the cooler the proper way on an AMD AM3+ board. So those temps low down after re installing the back fan on the case.
 
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Yeah, I doubt your idle temps aren't that low unless you keep your house really cold. It should be well known by know that the various monitors don't report accurate temperatures for AMD CPUs. AMD reports thermal margin, not temperature. It is recommended to download AMD Overdrive to see thermal margin. My AMD A8 clocked at 4.5 Ghz idles at 60*C margin and under full load 30*C margin. This is with a Hyper 212 cooler.
 
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Ugh, sorry for selecting your post as the answer. I keep on clicking the answer button when I'm trying to reply to a post.

I know AMD processors are having issues with giving accurate temps but do you think it's THAT horrible? When I'm using the max recommended voltage for my 860K Over Drive states I still have a good bit of thermal margin but the temperatures are too high from the BIOS to various other programs. That's why I end up going the safe way and lowering voltages and clocks.
 
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I wouldn't worry about what BIOS is reporting and as long as you have some thermal margin I wouldn't worry about it in the slightest. Modern CPUs can handle the heat. Sure, higher temps will always hurt CPU lifespan, but in reality you're still talking many many years of use for the average user. Also for most people, especially people on this website, the upgrade cycle is MUCH sooner.
 
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Okay so for example the BIOS temp/HWmonitor/CorsairLink/etc during Prime95 blending test it will show up to 80-90C when I am overclocked with 1.5-1.55v Vcore. But with Overdrive it will say I have a margin like 30C. It's okay to go with the OverDrive temps and disregard the rest? You're right that people upgrade much sooner not sure I will be though. I tend to keep my processor for a while.
 
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The temps we are talking about is the Thermal Margin of the CPU. Thermal Margin is a term used for the temperature threshold you have left before you get to max safe temps for the CPU. So in this case an idle CPU would have an higher thermal margin as they have more room to run hotter. A CPU at load would have a smaller margin because it's being stressed and is already running hooter than at idle.
 
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It's not that confusing honestly. Thermal Margin is basically AMD's software telling you how much your processor can run hotter before it gets too hot. It's implemented by AMD so it should be more accurate than the inaccurate temps other programs are getting. Sadly I don't trust any of them enough to go by one over the other.
 
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From my experience with Amd processors Amd overdive, Core Temp And Cpuid Hardware Monitor have always been the same reading within 1 Degree Celsius. That is once temps get in the High 30's and up. At least that is how my processors have done. FX 9590, 2 / FX 8350, FX 8320, FX 6100, FX4100.

 
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