Questions for Kevin Bachler

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For a periord of six weeksfromthe end of January until mid-March I was
away from the Internet.

During this period a controversy arose.

From what I can best determine, it was discovered that the rating of
Kevin Bachler and his son had increased substantially as a result of
fraudulent rating reports that were submitted.

Because of his high rating, the son received a stipend for chess
lessons and he used this money to pay Kevin to give chess lessons to
his own son.

This is a major scandal, if true. Certtainly Kevin needs to give the
money back,which is substantial.

The tournament History of Kevin is at:

http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlTnmtHst.php?10854164

Another Bachler, Jason, has never played in a USCF rated tournament.
Is that the son whose high rating entitled him to money from Helen
Warren?

http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlTnmtHst.php?12986706

This matter is very important. We need to get to the bottom of it.

Sam Sloan
 
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"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
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> For a periord of six weeksfromthe end of January until mid-March I was
> away from the Internet.
>

It truly was a golden age.

> During this period a controversy arose.

Were you dead or were you alive.


--
Tom Klem

And, the third rail of USCF politics is Bill Goichberg. Say something bad
about him ... off to the gulag (TDCC, Ethix committees) you go.
 
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Sam Sloan wrote:
>
> Another Bachler, Jason, has never played in a USCF rated tournament.
> Is that the son whose high rating entitled him to money from Helen
> Warren?
>

No.
 

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From Sam Sloan again:

> For a periord of six weeksfromthe end of January until mid-March I was
> away from the Internet.
>
> During this period a controversy arose.
>
> From what I can best determine,

Quit crossposting, you twit.
 
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On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 10:41:03 -0700, "Tom Klem" <thewiz@nowhere.com>
wrote:

>
>"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
>news:426536b2.59174750@ca.news.verio.net...
>> For a periord of six weeksfromthe end of January until mid-March I was
>> away from the Internet.
>>
>
>It truly was a golden age.
>
>> During this period a controversy arose.
>
>Were you dead or were you alive.
>
>
>--
>Tom Klem

As I have explained several times, yes, I was dead, but the Lord sent
me back down to teach these errant chess players the truth, the way
and the light.

However, Tom Klem has been an especially tough case. There seems to be
no way to reform him.

REPENT SINNER!

>And, the third rail of USCF politics is Bill Goichberg. Say something bad
>about him ... off to the gulag (TDCC, Ethix committees) you go.

You have posted this signature thousands of times, yet you have not
been sent off to the gulag.

So, obviously it must be a lie.

Sam Sloan
 
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"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message

[nothing snipped]

Ever heard of Tom Dorsch? Ethix committee gulag, removal from office without
being removed from office.

Goichberg's Gulag.

Tom Klem
"I calls 'em as I sees 'em"
---Bill Klem
 
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Sam Sloan <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote:
> This matter is very important.

This matter has nothing to do with computer chess. In fact, it appears to
be a purely USCF matter, which would place it securely within the realm of
rec.games.chess.politics. Since this post falls within the specific remit
of a group within rgc.*, it is not ``miscellaneous'' and, therefore, not
appropriate in rgc.misc.

Please stop posting across rgc.* and choose your groups more carefully.
Followups set.


Dave.

--
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www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ a house in the woods but it'll hurt
your eyes!
 
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On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:50:43 -0700, "Tom Klem" <thewiz@nowhere.com>
wrote:

>"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
>
>[nothing snipped]
>
>Ever heard of Tom Dorsch? Ethix committee gulag, removal from office without
>being removed from office.
>
>Goichberg's Gulag.
>
>Tom Klem

Tom Dorsch was the USCF Treasurer who wrote on this newgroup that USCF
Vice-President was "a white-collar criminal".

Tom Dorsch did many wiorse things than that, but that is what he was
cited for.

In my opinion, censuring Tom Dorsch for his general conduct and
behavior while he was USCF Treasurer was justified.

Sam Sloan
 
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Your opinion is noted.

Stan Booz is saying that Goichberg helped to defraud a mortgage company.
Seems to me that there must be something to it if the former VP of Finance
and board member Tom Dorsch said almost exactly the same thing.

Is he the next one to feel the wrath of Sloanberg?

With all your great legal legerdemain, you should know that you can get a
ticket for following too closely. Yeah, that's right. Goichberg coughs, and
you sneeze.

--
Tom Klem

"The Elephant in the Living Room of USCF politics, is unabated hatred and
bigotry."


"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:50:43 -0700, "Tom Klem" <thewiz@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
>
> >"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
> >
> >[nothing snipped]
> >
> >Ever heard of Tom Dorsch? Ethix committee gulag, removal from office
without
> >being removed from office.
> >
> >Goichberg's Gulag.
> >
> >Tom Klem
>
> Tom Dorsch was the USCF Treasurer who wrote on this newgroup that USCF
> Vice-President was "a white-collar criminal".
>
> Tom Dorsch did many wiorse things than that, but that is what he was
> cited for.
>
> In my opinion, censuring Tom Dorsch for his general conduct and
> behavior while he was USCF Treasurer was justified.
>
> Sam Sloan
>
 
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"Tom Klem" <thewiz@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> Stan Booz is saying that Goichberg helped to defraud a mortgage company.
> Seems to me that there must be something to it if the former VP of Finance
> and board member Tom Dorsch said almost exactly the same thing.
>
> Is he the next one to feel the wrath of Sloanberg?

Almost certainly I'll lose the prestigious appoinment as Finance Committee
Chair.

> With all your great legal legerdemain, you should know that you can get a
> ticket for following too closely. Yeah, that's right. Goichberg coughs,
> and
> you sneeze.

Maybe Don turns his head and coughs too.
 
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Hi Stan,

I know sarcasm when I see it :)

And, seriously, I personally appreciate all your hard work that you do for
our organization. If only we can keep the grifters (like Sloan) and
ethically challenged (like Goichberg) out of the office, we have a prayer
with folks like yourself.

Thank you,
Tom Klem

"StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Tom Klem" <thewiz@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:TMj9e.42827$A31.23090@fed1read03...
>
> > Stan Booz is saying that Goichberg helped to defraud a mortgage company.
> > Seems to me that there must be something to it if the former VP of
Finance
> > and board member Tom Dorsch said almost exactly the same thing.
> >
> > Is he the next one to feel the wrath of Sloanberg?
>
> Almost certainly I'll lose the prestigious appoinment as Finance Committee
> Chair.
>
> > With all your great legal legerdemain, you should know that you can get
a
> > ticket for following too closely. Yeah, that's right. Goichberg coughs,
> > and
> > you sneeze.
>
> Maybe Don turns his head and coughs too.
>
>
>
>
 
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Tom,

Stan is not the most diplomatic poster on RGCP. In one day, over two posts,
he called me an idiot and a prick. You may or may not agree but you could
say that within the context those were inappropriate names.

What Bill did may have been inadvertant. I doubt it would qualify as
outright fraud. Maybe to a tightwad accountant. Lots of people make white
lies on mortgage applications.

But hey, you know me by now. If Bill had run over an entire kindergarten
class with a huge SUV, massacred them all and backed up several times to
make sure they were all dead, I would defend him. I have no morals. I'm such
an immoral scumbag I endorsed Tim Hanke even though he isn't running.

adp



"Tom Klem" <thewiz@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> Your opinion is noted.
>
> Stan Booz is saying that Goichberg helped to defraud a mortgage company.
> Seems to me that there must be something to it if the former VP of Finance
> and board member Tom Dorsch said almost exactly the same thing.
>
> Is he the next one to feel the wrath of Sloanberg?
>
> With all your great legal legerdemain, you should know that you can get a
> ticket for following too closely. Yeah, that's right. Goichberg coughs,
> and
> you sneeze.
>
> --
> Tom Klem
>
> "The Elephant in the Living Room of USCF politics, is unabated hatred and
> bigotry."
>
>
> "Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
> news:4265bdaa.93727359@ca.news.verio.net...
>> On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:50:43 -0700, "Tom Klem" <thewiz@nowhere.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
>> >
>> >[nothing snipped]
>> >
>> >Ever heard of Tom Dorsch? Ethix committee gulag, removal from office
> without
>> >being removed from office.
>> >
>> >Goichberg's Gulag.
>> >
>> >Tom Klem
>>
>> Tom Dorsch was the USCF Treasurer who wrote on this newgroup that USCF
>> Vice-President was "a white-collar criminal".
>>
>> Tom Dorsch did many wiorse things than that, but that is what he was
>> cited for.
>>
>> In my opinion, censuring Tom Dorsch for his general conduct and
>> behavior while he was USCF Treasurer was justified.
>>
>> Sam Sloan
>>
>
>
 
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Yes, I am taking up a collection to build a shrine to Saint Stan so we can
all pray to him. I'm naming it The Shrine to Our Lady of the Ledger and Her
Most Devoted Servant." I have a designer and architect for this project,
which will be erected in XXville on some wetlands, close to USCF h'quarters.



"Tom Klem" <thewiz@nowhere.com> wrote

> And, seriously, I personally appreciate all your hard work that you do for
> our organization. If only we can keep the grifters (like Sloan) and
> ethically challenged (like Goichberg) out of the office, we have a prayer
> with folks like yourself.
 
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"Angelo DePalma" <adpspammersgotohell@tellurian.net> wrote in message
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> Tom,
>
> Stan is not the most diplomatic poster on RGCP. In one day, over two
> posts, he called me an idiot and a prick. You may or may not agree but you
> could say that within the context those were inappropriate names.

This from the apex of cordiality.

> What Bill did may have been inadvertant. I doubt it would qualify as
> outright fraud. Maybe to a tightwad accountant. Lots of people make white
> lies on mortgage applications.

Not even in the most vivid strecth of the imagination was this a white lie.

> But hey, you know me by now. If Bill had run over an entire kindergarten
> class with a huge SUV, massacred them all and backed up several times to
> make sure they were all dead, I would defend him. I have no morals. I'm
> such an immoral scumbag I endorsed Tim Hanke even though he isn't running.

Thanks for being candid.
 
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"Angelo DePalma" <adpspammersgotohell@tellurian.net> wrote in message
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> Yes, I am taking up a collection to build a shrine to Saint Stan so we can
> all pray to him. I'm naming it The Shrine to Our Lady of the Ledger and
> Her Most Devoted Servant." I have a designer and architect for this
> project, which will be erected in XXville on some wetlands, close to USCF
> h'quarters.

Maybe you erect it in the atrium of the new building. Meanwhile i have
something to erect for you.
 
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SHRINE TO SAINT STAN

I know of no grifting that Sam Sloan has done, but when he writes
something wrong, I say so very quickly and strongly. As for Bill
Goichberg, I oppose his candidacy unless he returns the $25,000 and
issues a white paper on conflicts of interests that fully satisfies a
critic such as Wayne Praeder.

Having said the above, one also has to say that Stan Booz lies.
Straight out. Without any compunction -- if he thinks it will serve
his cause -- is to keep the incumbents in power.

Mr. Booz knowingly wrote untruths about this writer, and those
are lies. I see no reason at this point to imagine that he is not
employing the same ethical standard in his accounting work for the
USCF. I don't claim that he is, but based on my experience with the
man, I know he lies maliciously.

One can only hope that he does not extend the practice to the account
books.
 
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"StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Angelo DePalma" <adpspammersgotohell@tellurian.net> wrote in message
> news:0pqdnRKSqOIcdPrfRVn-sg@garden.net...
>
> > Yes, I am taking up a collection to build a shrine to Saint Stan so we
can
> > all pray to him. I'm naming it The Shrine to Our Lady of the Ledger and
> > Her Most Devoted Servant." I have a designer and architect for this
> > project, which will be erected in XXville on some wetlands, close to
USCF
> > h'quarters.
>
> Maybe you erect it in the atrium of the new building. Meanwhile i have
> something to erect for you.
>
>

i was wondering why they called them 'wetlands'
 
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so, you're asking me to rise to the defence of stan booz?

i don't think so. he can take care of himself.

a few years ago you threatened my life in what you thought was a cleverly
oblique way. call that diplomacy? you had other hot headed remarks because
you have bought hook, line and sinker the party line about stan vaughan.
fact is, the same people who told you that (and you believed them) are the
same ones who've missmanaged or stolen two million dollars. i have told the
truth line for line, word for word, incident for incident over and over
again.

stan vaughan, like anyone, is not a perfect man. with all his warts and
scars, i prefer his company to the likes of sam sloan and bill goichberg any
day of the week.

let the reader user his own discernment as to who is telling the truth.

liars change their stories daily. the truth tells itself over and over again
whether you like it or not.

sam sloan, in my opinion, is nothing more than a grifter who is seeking
office to enhance his chances for being in line at the trough for whatever
financial gain he can get by selling his vote to the highest bidder.


--
Tom Klem

"The Elephant in the Living Room of USCF politics, is unabated hatred and
bigotry."


"Angelo DePalma" <adpspammersgotohell@tellurian.net> wrote in message
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>
> Tom,
>
> Stan is not the most diplomatic poster on RGCP. In one day, over two
posts,
> he called me an idiot and a prick. You may or may not agree but you could
> say that within the context those were inappropriate names.
>
> What Bill did may have been inadvertant. I doubt it would qualify as
> outright fraud. Maybe to a tightwad accountant. Lots of people make white
> lies on mortgage applications.
>
> But hey, you know me by now. If Bill had run over an entire kindergarten
> class with a huge SUV, massacred them all and backed up several times to
> make sure they were all dead, I would defend him. I have no morals. I'm
such
> an immoral scumbag I endorsed Tim Hanke even though he isn't running.
>
> adp
>
>
>
> "Tom Klem" <thewiz@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:TMj9e.42827$A31.23090@fed1read03...
> > Your opinion is noted.
> >
> > Stan Booz is saying that Goichberg helped to defraud a mortgage company.
> > Seems to me that there must be something to it if the former VP of
Finance
> > and board member Tom Dorsch said almost exactly the same thing.
> >
> > Is he the next one to feel the wrath of Sloanberg?
> >
> > With all your great legal legerdemain, you should know that you can get
a
> > ticket for following too closely. Yeah, that's right. Goichberg coughs,
> > and
> > you sneeze.
> >
> > --
> > Tom Klem
> >
> > "The Elephant in the Living Room of USCF politics, is unabated hatred
and
> > bigotry."
> >
> >
> > "Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
> > news:4265bdaa.93727359@ca.news.verio.net...
> >> On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:50:43 -0700, "Tom Klem" <thewiz@nowhere.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
> >> >
> >> >[nothing snipped]
> >> >
> >> >Ever heard of Tom Dorsch? Ethix committee gulag, removal from office
> > without
> >> >being removed from office.
> >> >
> >> >Goichberg's Gulag.
> >> >
> >> >Tom Klem
> >>
> >> Tom Dorsch was the USCF Treasurer who wrote on this newgroup that USCF
> >> Vice-President was "a white-collar criminal".
> >>
> >> Tom Dorsch did many wiorse things than that, but that is what he was
> >> cited for.
> >>
> >> In my opinion, censuring Tom Dorsch for his general conduct and
> >> behavior while he was USCF Treasurer was justified.
> >>
> >> Sam Sloan
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
 
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No!

<parrthenon@cs.com> wrote

> Mr. Booz knowingly wrote untruths about this writer, and those
> are lies. I see no reason at this point to imagine that he is not
> employing the same ethical standard in his accounting work for the
> USCF. I don't claim that he is, but based on my experience with the
> man, I know he lies maliciously.
>
> One can only hope that he does not extend the practice to the account
> books.
>
 
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Actually, what Bill did in the "fraud" situation Stan keeps bringing up was
agree to adjust the sale price for the New Windsor property, and the rent as
well, to help the purchaser in some way. The result was a wash financially
for USCF. Bill checked the transaction beforehand with a lawyer who advised
him that it was ok. I don't think this constitutes fraud. Nor does it
justify character assassination, which Stan is getting very good at. Tom,
you have a good nose for B.S. so you should know that saying something over
and over again, in strong terms, doesn't make it true.

Another point: I don't claim to know what went on between Stan and Ken
Thomas (who lives nearby and is a friend of mine). Whatever it was did not
justify Stan airing the minutiae of Ken's performance (and coming close to
libeling him) in this newsgroup. A classy guy would not do that.

Stan used to be one of my favorite posters here, our differences
notwithstanding. His lambasting of Ken Thomas (and ironically not of Bill,
which he has done as far back as I can remember) is what got me thinking
that maybe Stan is a bullshit artist, or that he has a personal agenda (he
wouldn't be the first person on this board to have one). I'm not saying he
is a B.S. artist or not, just that to me, Stan's modus operandi does not
inspire confidence.

As for our little run-in last year, rest assured I didn't mean what you
think I was implying, except as a (perhaps very bad) joke. I'm sorry my post
offended you.

Angelo

"Tom Klem" <thewiz@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> so, you're asking me to rise to the defence of stan booz?
>
> i don't think so. he can take care of himself.
>
> a few years ago you threatened my life in what you thought was a cleverly
> oblique way. call that diplomacy? you had other hot headed remarks because
> you have bought hook, line and sinker the party line about stan vaughan.
> fact is, the same people who told you that (and you believed them) are the
> same ones who've missmanaged or stolen two million dollars. i have told
> the
> truth line for line, word for word, incident for incident over and over
> again.
>
> stan vaughan, like anyone, is not a perfect man. with all his warts and
> scars, i prefer his company to the likes of sam sloan and bill goichberg
> any
> day of the week.
>
> let the reader user his own discernment as to who is telling the truth.
>
> liars change their stories daily. the truth tells itself over and over
> again
> whether you like it or not.
>
> sam sloan, in my opinion, is nothing more than a grifter who is seeking
> office to enhance his chances for being in line at the trough for whatever
> financial gain he can get by selling his vote to the highest bidder.
>
>
> --
> Tom Klem
>
> "The Elephant in the Living Room of USCF politics, is unabated hatred and
> bigotry."
>
>
> "Angelo DePalma" <adpspammersgotohell@tellurian.net> wrote in message
> news:tsmdne3Mga4HdfrfRVn-vw@garden.net...
>>
>> Tom,
>>
>> Stan is not the most diplomatic poster on RGCP. In one day, over two
> posts,
>> he called me an idiot and a prick. You may or may not agree but you could
>> say that within the context those were inappropriate names.
>>
>> What Bill did may have been inadvertant. I doubt it would qualify as
>> outright fraud. Maybe to a tightwad accountant. Lots of people make white
>> lies on mortgage applications.
>>
>> But hey, you know me by now. If Bill had run over an entire kindergarten
>> class with a huge SUV, massacred them all and backed up several times to
>> make sure they were all dead, I would defend him. I have no morals. I'm
> such
>> an immoral scumbag I endorsed Tim Hanke even though he isn't running.
>>
>> adp
>>
>>
>>
>> "Tom Klem" <thewiz@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:TMj9e.42827$A31.23090@fed1read03...
>> > Your opinion is noted.
>> >
>> > Stan Booz is saying that Goichberg helped to defraud a mortgage
>> > company.
>> > Seems to me that there must be something to it if the former VP of
> Finance
>> > and board member Tom Dorsch said almost exactly the same thing.
>> >
>> > Is he the next one to feel the wrath of Sloanberg?
>> >
>> > With all your great legal legerdemain, you should know that you can get
> a
>> > ticket for following too closely. Yeah, that's right. Goichberg coughs,
>> > and
>> > you sneeze.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Tom Klem
>> >
>> > "The Elephant in the Living Room of USCF politics, is unabated hatred
> and
>> > bigotry."
>> >
>> >
>> > "Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
>> > news:4265bdaa.93727359@ca.news.verio.net...
>> >> On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:50:43 -0700, "Tom Klem" <thewiz@nowhere.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
>> >> >
>> >> >[nothing snipped]
>> >> >
>> >> >Ever heard of Tom Dorsch? Ethix committee gulag, removal from office
>> > without
>> >> >being removed from office.
>> >> >
>> >> >Goichberg's Gulag.
>> >> >
>> >> >Tom Klem
>> >>
>> >> Tom Dorsch was the USCF Treasurer who wrote on this newgroup that USCF
>> >> Vice-President was "a white-collar criminal".
>> >>
>> >> Tom Dorsch did many wiorse things than that, but that is what he was
>> >> cited for.
>> >>
>> >> In my opinion, censuring Tom Dorsch for his general conduct and
>> >> behavior while he was USCF Treasurer was justified.
>> >>
>> >> Sam Sloan
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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"Angelo DePalma" <adpspammersgotohell@tellurian.net> wrote in message
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Apology accepted, and the issue is now behind us.

Tom Klem


>
> As for our little run-in last year, rest assured I didn't mean what you
> think I was implying, except as a (perhaps very bad) joke. I'm sorry my
post
> offended you.
>
> Angelo
>
> "Tom Klem" <thewiz@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:pr1ae.59356$A31.35710@fed1read03...
> > so, you're asking me to rise to the defence of stan booz?
> >
> > i don't think so. he can take care of himself.
> >
> > a few years ago you threatened my life in what you thought was a
cleverly
> > oblique way. call that diplomacy? you had other hot headed remarks
because
> > you have bought hook, line and sinker the party line about stan vaughan.
> > fact is, the same people who told you that (and you believed them) are
the
> > same ones who've missmanaged or stolen two million dollars. i have told
> > the
> > truth line for line, word for word, incident for incident over and over
> > again.
> >
> > stan vaughan, like anyone, is not a perfect man. with all his warts and
> > scars, i prefer his company to the likes of sam sloan and bill goichberg
> > any
> > day of the week.
> >
> > let the reader user his own discernment as to who is telling the truth.
> >
> > liars change their stories daily. the truth tells itself over and over
> > again
> > whether you like it or not.
> >
> > sam sloan, in my opinion, is nothing more than a grifter who is seeking
> > office to enhance his chances for being in line at the trough for
whatever
> > financial gain he can get by selling his vote to the highest bidder.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Tom Klem
> >
> > "The Elephant in the Living Room of USCF politics, is unabated hatred
and
> > bigotry."
> >
> >
> > "Angelo DePalma" <adpspammersgotohell@tellurian.net> wrote in message
> > news:tsmdne3Mga4HdfrfRVn-vw@garden.net...
> >>
> >> Tom,
> >>
> >> Stan is not the most diplomatic poster on RGCP. In one day, over two
> > posts,
> >> he called me an idiot and a prick. You may or may not agree but you
could
> >> say that within the context those were inappropriate names.
> >>
> >> What Bill did may have been inadvertant. I doubt it would qualify as
> >> outright fraud. Maybe to a tightwad accountant. Lots of people make
white
> >> lies on mortgage applications.
> >>
> >> But hey, you know me by now. If Bill had run over an entire
kindergarten
> >> class with a huge SUV, massacred them all and backed up several times
to
> >> make sure they were all dead, I would defend him. I have no morals. I'm
> > such
> >> an immoral scumbag I endorsed Tim Hanke even though he isn't running.
> >>
> >> adp
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Tom Klem" <thewiz@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> >> news:TMj9e.42827$A31.23090@fed1read03...
> >> > Your opinion is noted.
> >> >
> >> > Stan Booz is saying that Goichberg helped to defraud a mortgage
> >> > company.
> >> > Seems to me that there must be something to it if the former VP of
> > Finance
> >> > and board member Tom Dorsch said almost exactly the same thing.
> >> >
> >> > Is he the next one to feel the wrath of Sloanberg?
> >> >
> >> > With all your great legal legerdemain, you should know that you can
get
> > a
> >> > ticket for following too closely. Yeah, that's right. Goichberg
coughs,
> >> > and
> >> > you sneeze.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Tom Klem
> >> >
> >> > "The Elephant in the Living Room of USCF politics, is unabated hatred
> > and
> >> > bigotry."
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:4265bdaa.93727359@ca.news.verio.net...
> >> >> On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:50:43 -0700, "Tom Klem" <thewiz@nowhere.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >
> >> >> >[nothing snipped]
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Ever heard of Tom Dorsch? Ethix committee gulag, removal from
office
> >> > without
> >> >> >being removed from office.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Goichberg's Gulag.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Tom Klem
> >> >>
> >> >> Tom Dorsch was the USCF Treasurer who wrote on this newgroup that
USCF
> >> >> Vice-President was "a white-collar criminal".
> >> >>
> >> >> Tom Dorsch did many wiorse things than that, but that is what he was
> >> >> cited for.
> >> >>
> >> >> In my opinion, censuring Tom Dorsch for his general conduct and
> >> >> behavior while he was USCF Treasurer was justified.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sam Sloan
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
 
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<parrthenon@cs.com> wrote in message
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> Mr. Booz knowingly wrote untruths about this writer, and those
> are lies.

Poor Larry, where would he be without his sense of humor?

> I see no reason at this point to imagine that he is not
> employing the same ethical standard in his accounting work for the
> USCF. I don't claim that he is, but based on my experience with the
> man, I know he lies maliciously.

And what accounting work have I ever done for the USCF?

> One can only hope that he does not extend the practice to the account
> books.

And what accounting work have I ever done for the USCF?
 
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Take that pasta breath.

"Tom Klem" <thewiz@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:pr1ae.59356$A31.35710@fed1read03...
> so, you're asking me to rise to the defence of stan booz?
>
> i don't think so. he can take care of himself.
>
> a few years ago you threatened my life in what you thought was a cleverly
> oblique way. call that diplomacy? you had other hot headed remarks because
> you have bought hook, line and sinker the party line about stan vaughan.
> fact is, the same people who told you that (and you believed them) are the
> same ones who've missmanaged or stolen two million dollars. i have told
> the
> truth line for line, word for word, incident for incident over and over
> again.
>
> stan vaughan, like anyone, is not a perfect man. with all his warts and
> scars, i prefer his company to the likes of sam sloan and bill goichberg
> any
> day of the week.
>
> let the reader user his own discernment as to who is telling the truth.
>
> liars change their stories daily. the truth tells itself over and over
> again
> whether you like it or not.
>
> sam sloan, in my opinion, is nothing more than a grifter who is seeking
> office to enhance his chances for being in line at the trough for whatever
> financial gain he can get by selling his vote to the highest bidder.
>
>
> --
> Tom Klem
>
> "The Elephant in the Living Room of USCF politics, is unabated hatred and
> bigotry."
>
>
> "Angelo DePalma" <adpspammersgotohell@tellurian.net> wrote in message
> news:tsmdne3Mga4HdfrfRVn-vw@garden.net...
>>
>> Tom,
>>
>> Stan is not the most diplomatic poster on RGCP. In one day, over two
> posts,
>> he called me an idiot and a prick. You may or may not agree but you could
>> say that within the context those were inappropriate names.
>>
>> What Bill did may have been inadvertant. I doubt it would qualify as
>> outright fraud. Maybe to a tightwad accountant. Lots of people make white
>> lies on mortgage applications.
>>
>> But hey, you know me by now. If Bill had run over an entire kindergarten
>> class with a huge SUV, massacred them all and backed up several times to
>> make sure they were all dead, I would defend him. I have no morals. I'm
> such
>> an immoral scumbag I endorsed Tim Hanke even though he isn't running.
>>
>> adp
>>
>>
>>
>> "Tom Klem" <thewiz@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:TMj9e.42827$A31.23090@fed1read03...
>> > Your opinion is noted.
>> >
>> > Stan Booz is saying that Goichberg helped to defraud a mortgage
>> > company.
>> > Seems to me that there must be something to it if the former VP of
> Finance
>> > and board member Tom Dorsch said almost exactly the same thing.
>> >
>> > Is he the next one to feel the wrath of Sloanberg?
>> >
>> > With all your great legal legerdemain, you should know that you can get
> a
>> > ticket for following too closely. Yeah, that's right. Goichberg coughs,
>> > and
>> > you sneeze.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Tom Klem
>> >
>> > "The Elephant in the Living Room of USCF politics, is unabated hatred
> and
>> > bigotry."
>> >
>> >
>> > "Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
>> > news:4265bdaa.93727359@ca.news.verio.net...
>> >> On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:50:43 -0700, "Tom Klem" <thewiz@nowhere.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
>> >> >
>> >> >[nothing snipped]
>> >> >
>> >> >Ever heard of Tom Dorsch? Ethix committee gulag, removal from office
>> > without
>> >> >being removed from office.
>> >> >
>> >> >Goichberg's Gulag.
>> >> >
>> >> >Tom Klem
>> >>
>> >> Tom Dorsch was the USCF Treasurer who wrote on this newgroup that USCF
>> >> Vice-President was "a white-collar criminal".
>> >>
>> >> Tom Dorsch did many wiorse things than that, but that is what he was
>> >> cited for.
>> >>
>> >> In my opinion, censuring Tom Dorsch for his general conduct and
>> >> behavior while he was USCF Treasurer was justified.
>> >>
>> >> Sam Sloan
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>