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I don't know the first thing about Macintosh computer. Can video encoded
in wmv9 be viewed on a Mac? If so, is it easy to setup or is it
complicated? If not, what would be the prefered codec to use? We're
talking convenience, so peoples don't have to go hunting for codec on
some obscur website, as well as a good file size/quality ratio, and that
I don't mind hosting both a mov file as well as wmv.
Thank you.

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"Deco_time" wrote ...
> I don't know the first thing about Macintosh computer.
> Can video encoded in wmv9 be viewed on a Mac?

Microsoft distribute (free) Windows Media players for
OS 8, 9 and X.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/download/default.asp

> If so, is it easy to setup or is it complicated?

It would appear to be as easy to install on a Mac as it is
on a PC (or as easy as QuickTime is to install on a PC).

> If not, what would be the prefered codec to use? We're
> talking convenience, so peoples don't have to go hunting
> for codec on some obscur website,

It is trivial to provide a link with a nice button, etc. For
example... http://www.professionallyspeaking.org/archive.htm

> as well as a good file size/quality ratio,

I just read a remarkable claim about quality vs. size for WMV
on one of these newsgroups just a day or two ago, but now I
can't find it.

> and that I don't mind hosting both a mov file as well as wmv.

If you have more Mac viewers, it may be more convienent
for them to make mov (QT) available for those that haven't
installed WMP.

 

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"Richard Crowley" wrote ...
> I just read a remarkable claim about quality vs. size for WMV
> on one of these newsgroups just a day or two ago, but now I
> can't find it.

Duh, it is right there....
> "PerthMETRO.net" wrote ...
> Saw this on the Microsoft website regarding Windows Media
> Video 9 codec. if this is true why are we still using Divx and Xvid?
>
> "For example, a WMV9 file is typically only half the size of an
> MPEG-4 file of comparable quality."

 

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In news:Richard Crowley <rcrowley7@xprt.net> typed:
>
> I just read a remarkable claim about quality vs. size for WMV
> on one of these newsgroups just a day or two ago, but now I
> can't find it.
Yes, I already use wmv; It's on the Mac side that I don't know what
codec to use if I was to host QT file. I already tried with Sorenson
codec, the video itself was ok but the sound was awfull, probably wrong
setting on my part.
I think I'll go ahead with your suggestion of providing a link to WMP
for Mac which you graciously provided and go from there. I'll deal with
the Mac codec issue if/when I get request for it.
Thank you.


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Greetings Deco_time,

I would definitely use the .mov (Quicktime) for the Mac people.

But, I have a question. Are you providing a "embedded" video or a
"stand-alone" video. Otherwise, is the video going to be embedded into
the web page, or are you just doing a link where you download it, and it
launches the player?

-Richard



Deco_time wrote:

> I don't know the first thing about Macintosh computer. Can video encoded
> in wmv9 be viewed on a Mac? If so, is it easy to setup or is it
> complicated? If not, what would be the prefered codec to use? We're
> talking convenience, so peoples don't have to go hunting for codec on
> some obscur website, as well as a good file size/quality ratio, and that
> I don't mind hosting both a mov file as well as wmv.
> Thank you.
>

 

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In news:Richard Ragon <bsema04NOSPAM@hanaho.com> typed:
> Greetings Deco_time,
>
> I would definitely use the .mov (Quicktime) for the Mac people.
>
> But, I have a question. Are you providing a "embedded" video or a
> "stand-alone" video. Otherwise, is the video going to be embedded
> into the web page, or are you just doing a link where you download
> it, and it launches the player?
>
> -Richard
>
I don't like embedded video, too restrictive; I figured others might
feel the same, so I'm simply providing a link to the file and peoples
can use the viewer they want and resize it as they see fit, like on the
Odysea homepage.
But why, would that have an incidence on the choice of codec for the Mac
QT?

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Deco_time wrote:
> In news:Richard Ragon <bsema04NOSPAM@hanaho.com> typed:
>
>>Greetings Deco_time,
>>
>>I would definitely use the .mov (Quicktime) for the Mac people.
>>
>>But, I have a question. Are you providing a "embedded" video or a
>>"stand-alone" video. Otherwise, is the video going to be embedded
>>into the web page, or are you just doing a link where you download
>>it, and it launches the player?
>>
>>-Richard
>>
>
> I don't like embedded video, too restrictive; I figured others might
> feel the same, so I'm simply providing a link to the file and peoples
> can use the viewer they want and resize it as they see fit, like on the
> Odysea homepage.

What exactly do you mean by restrictive? Just curious?

I might be wrong but with windows media file.. don't you have to
download the entire movie first, then your OS associates it with the
player.. After you have to wait for the entire download, then windows
media will open and then play?? For broad band users this is no big
deal, but for dial-up clients this can be awful as there is no feedback
as to what's going on.

With WM there's no indication of streaming, unlike Quicktime where it
opens QT player on the webpage or application, and you can view your
video while it's downloading at the same time..

Don't get me wrong.. windows media is awesome on Mac and Pc. Just that
QT seams to be better at "streaming".

---

I recently put up a site for a trailer for a movie that I'm working on
called "Earls Your Uncle". You can view the trailer here:
http://www.deepmagicstudios.com/earlsyouruncle/

I used Quicktime because there never seams to be any problems with
people viewing the content. I created this trailer, and the production
company released the URL 2 weeks ago to over 400 people involved with
the movie or around the movie. Not one person came back and said it
doesn't work for them. Plus, Apple is claiming QuickTime 6 has reached
175 million downloads in recent months here. I don't know what that
translates to in market penetration though. I was totally expecting
someone coming back and saying they couldn't view the trailer.. these
were not the most techno people.. but no one ever did, and at the
premiere of the movie, everyone was talking about the trailer.. It was
kind of a personal project to see a ratio of people that couldn't see it
vs. people that could.. After the first week, I said to myself, that
was awesome.. low tech support.


> But why, would that have an incidence on the choice of codec for the Mac
> QT?

I think Sorenson 3 is the most popular for video. I would have used
QMusic for audio, but I don't have the pro version of QMusic so I mostly
go with IMA.

Side note here.. I think that the market penetration for QT6 is now
pretty good.. And Im thinking of using MPEG-4 with AAC audio in future
projects now because this is 'new' in QT6, but not in QT5. using
mpeg-4/AAC is superior to Sorenson in video, and it's about the same
size in the download.

Also.. this might help you out:

http://www.kenstone.net/fcp_homepage/qt_movies_from_fcp.html

It's actually a tutorial on publishing QT movies made for the web though
Final Cut Pro, however, its got some good hints on all the settings
needed for making nice small good quality files.

Hope this all helps you out.

-Richard

 

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"Richard Ragon" <bsema04NOSPAM@hanaho.com> wrote in message
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> I might be wrong but with windows media file.. don't you have to
> download the entire movie first, then your OS associates it with the
> player.. After you have to wait for the entire download, then windows
> media will open and then play?? For broad band users this is no big
> deal, but for dial-up clients this can be awful as there is no feedback
> as to what's going on.
>
> With WM there's no indication of streaming, unlike Quicktime where it
> opens QT player on the webpage or application, and you can view your
> video while it's downloading at the same time..
>
> Don't get me wrong.. windows media is awesome on Mac and Pc. Just that
> QT seams to be better at "streaming".

Windows Media allows near instant playback of streaming files on both Mac
and Windows. Here is a link to the details section of the Mac player that
lists quite a few other features, supported codecs, and properties of the
player.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/software/Macintosh/osx/default.aspx#details

Windows Media Playback Details
a.. Support for local and streamed playback of Windows Media files
b.. ASX version 1.0, 2.0, and 3.0 parsing
c.. UDP, TCP/IP, HTTP and multicast streaming
d.. Protocol automatic ordering and rollover
e.. Multiple bit rates
f.. Intelligent streaming
g.. Logging
h.. Producer file support
i.. Server Side playlist
j.. Favorites
k.. Closed captioning
l.. HTTP basic authentication
m.. Limited Windows Media Download (WMD) support (will not display ICP
skin - only playback of audio/video)
Back to the top


Comprehensive List of Codecs Supported
Audio:
a.. Windows Media Audio Decode (Format Tag: WMA2 = 353, WMA1=352)
b.. Decodes all CBR profiles from 5kbps to 192kbps, 8kHz to 48kHz, mono
and stereo
c.. Decodes all v9 CBR profiles, from 5kbps to 320kbps, 8kHz to 48kHz,
mono and stereo
d.. Decodes all quality based, bit rate based and peak constrained VBR
profiles
e.. Supports WMA v1 and WMA v2 bit streams
f.. Decodes WMV v9 Pro downsampled to stereo
g.. Windows Media Audio Pro Decode
h.. 5.1 discrete to stereo fold down only
i.. Windows Media Audio Lossless Decode
j.. Windows Media Audio Voice Decode (Format Tag: 10)
k.. Decodes all CBR profiles from 4kbps to 20kbps, 8kHz to 22kHz, mono
l.. Supports Speech mode, Music Mode and post-filtering
m.. G.726
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a.. Windows Media Video Decode (4CC: WMV7, WMV8, WMV9)
b.. Decodes content encoded with WMV v7 and v8
c.. Decodes content encoded with WMV v9
d.. Decodes WMV v9 1p/2p CBR/VBR
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f.. Decodes CBR/VBR content
g.. MS MPEG-4 Decode (4CC: MP42, MP43)
h.. Decodes content encoded with MS MPEG-4 v2 and MS MPEG-4 v3
i.. ISO MPEG-4 Decode (4CC: MP4S)
j.. Decodes ISO MPEG-4 v1.0 (subset of simple profile)
k.. Windows Media Video Screen v7


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On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 12:01:05 -0400, Richard Crowley wrote
(in article <10edm2658mhv1d9@corp.supernews.com>):

>> and that I don't mind hosting both a mov file as well as wmv.
>
> If you have more Mac viewers, it may be more convienent for them to make mov
> (QT) available for those that haven't installed WMP.

Bingo! I'm not sure if it was due to the windows media player, but my Mac
developed some strange locking up habits a short time ago. After weeding the
files, including removing windows media player 7, the problem stopped.

Not an indictment, just an observation.

Regards,

Ty Ford



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In news:Richard Ragon <bsema04NOSPAM@hanaho.com> typed:
> Deco_time wrote:
>> In news:Richard Ragon <bsema04NOSPAM@hanaho.com> typed:
>>
>>> Greetings Deco_time,
>>>
>>> I would definitely use the .mov (Quicktime) for the Mac people.
>>>
>>> But, I have a question. Are you providing a "embedded" video or a
>>> "stand-alone" video. Otherwise, is the video going to be embedded
>>> into the web page, or are you just doing a link where you download
>>> it, and it launches the player?
>>>
>>> -Richard
>>>
>>
>> I don't like embedded video, too restrictive; I figured others might
>> feel the same, so I'm simply providing a link to the file and peoples
>> can use the viewer they want and resize it as they see fit, like on
>> the Odysea homepage.
>
> What exactly do you mean by restrictive? Just curious?

Well, when the video is embedded, you can't resize the viewing window
and you can't move it. When it opens in WMP, I can resize it the way I
want and move it to the side and keep doing other things while the video
is playing; for me it just seems more convenient.

> I might be wrong but with windows media file.. don't you have to
> download the entire movie first, then your OS associates it with the
> player.. After you have to wait for the entire download, then windows
> media will open and then play?? For broad band users this is no big
> deal, but for dial-up clients this can be awful as there is no
> feedback as to what's going on.

I have the exact opposit problem. With QT files, unless embedded, the
video won't start until it's finished downbloading with no input of
what's going on except the light on the DSL modem flashing to indicate
that I'm recieving data. With WMV on the other hand, the player opens as
soon as the link is clicked and start to play as soon as there is enough
data in the buffer. Probably a Mac/Window thing, but I'm glad to know
that WMV streaming doesn't work well on Mac computers.

> With WM there's no indication of streaming, unlike Quicktime where it
> opens QT player on the webpage or application, and you can view your
> video while it's downloading at the same time..
>
> Don't get me wrong.. windows media is awesome on Mac and Pc. Just
> that QT seams to be better at "streaming".
>
See my answer above, I think this is mostly platform dependent.
>
> I recently put up a site for a trailer for a movie that I'm working on
> called "Earls Your Uncle". You can view the trailer here:
> http://www.deepmagicstudios.com/earlsyouruncle/
>
> I used Quicktime because there never seams to be any problems with
> people viewing the content. I created this trailer, and the
> production company released the URL 2 weeks ago to over 400 people
> involved with the movie or around the movie. Not one person came
> back and said it doesn't work for them. Plus, Apple is claiming
> QuickTime 6 has reached 175 million downloads in recent months here.
> I don't know what that translates to in market penetration though. I
> was totally expecting someone coming back and saying they couldn't
> view the trailer.. these were not the most techno people.. but no one
> ever did, and at the premiere of the movie, everyone was talking
> about the trailer.. It was kind of a personal project to see a ratio
> of people that couldn't see it vs. people that could.. After the
> first week, I said to myself, that was awesome.. low tech support.
>
>
> I think Sorenson 3 is the most popular for video. I would have used
> QMusic for audio, but I don't have the pro version of QMusic so I
> mostly go with IMA.

I just tried IMA; from the result I got, and the trailer on your
website, there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with it. You think AAC
would be better?
>
> Side note here.. I think that the market penetration for QT6 is now
> pretty good.. And Im thinking of using MPEG-4 with AAC audio in future
> projects now because this is 'new' in QT6, but not in QT5. using
> mpeg-4/AAC is superior to Sorenson in video, and it's about the same
> size in the download.
>
> Also.. this might help you out:
>
> http://www.kenstone.net/fcp_homepage/qt_movies_from_fcp.html

Very good link.

> It's actually a tutorial on publishing QT movies made for the web
> though Final Cut Pro, however, its got some good hints on all the
> settings needed for making nice small good quality files.
>
> Hope this all helps you out.

Everything I wanted to know, thank you.

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In news:Ty Ford <tyreeford@comcast.net> typed:
> On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 12:01:05 -0400, Richard Crowley wrote
> (in article <10edm2658mhv1d9@corp.supernews.com>):
>
>>> and that I don't mind hosting both a mov file as well as wmv.
>>
>> If you have more Mac viewers, it may be more convienent for them to
>> make mov (QT) available for those that haven't installed WMP.
>
> Bingo! I'm not sure if it was due to the windows media player, but
> my Mac developed some strange locking up habits a short time ago.
> After weeding the files, including removing windows media player 7,
> the problem stopped.
>
> Not an indictment, just an observation.
>
What do you use to view WMV file? Or do you just pass if no other option
is available?
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In article <WpWdnRSCso4iG3rdRVn-jg@comcast.com>, "Charles Tomaras"
<tomaras@tomaras.com> wrote:

> Windows Media allows near instant playback of streaming files on both Mac
> and Windows. Here is a link to the details section of the Mac player that
> lists quite a few other features, supported codecs, and properties of the
> player.
>
>
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/software/Macintosh/osx/default.aspx#details
>
> Windows Media Playback Details
> a.. Support for local and streamed playback of Windows Media files
> b.. ASX version 1.0, 2.0, and 3.0 parsing
SNIP
SNIP
> i.. ISO MPEG-4 Decode (4CC: MP4S)
> j.. Decodes ISO MPEG-4 v1.0 (subset of simple profile)
> k.. Windows Media Video Screen v7

Charles post represents a good and useful look at what WMP "does" do,
however, like most marketing source materials it kinda ignores what it
doesn't do.

One example - the Mac implementation of Windows Media Player- including
version 9 will NOT decode and play some of the most recent versions of
Windows for the PC encoded videos.

I've had "Hardware License Inconsistant" errors appear on trying to play
recent movies encoded on a PC when trying to play them back on my Mac even
tho the Mac' automatic Software Update - and my subscription to Version
Tracker - keeps that Mac day by day current on codecs and other video
processing enablers.

Essentially, that MS telling me that since I didn't choose THEIR hardware
- I can't play a particular file.

This, of course, is Microsoft's right. They "own the ball" and they can
allow or withhold such permission as they like.

But it's a good example of their typical approach to business. Choose us
or we'll make things difficult for you.

Microsoft does a lot of basic stuff very well - as their success indicates.

Sharing ideas and encouraging a competiative marketplace where the best
implementation of the best ideas are rewarded, regardless of their source,
is, clearly, NOT one of them.

Too bad.

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"Ty Ford" <tyreeford@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 12:01:05 -0400, Richard Crowley wrote
> (in article <10edm2658mhv1d9@corp.supernews.com>):
>
>>> and that I don't mind hosting both a mov file as well as wmv.
>>
>> If you have more Mac viewers, it may be more convienent for them to make
>> mov
>> (QT) available for those that haven't installed WMP.
>
> Bingo! I'm not sure if it was due to the windows media player, but my Mac
> developed some strange locking up habits a short time ago. After weeding
> the
> files, including removing windows media player 7, the problem stopped.
>
> Not an indictment, just an observation.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ty Ford
>
Try the newer Windows Media Player 9.

 

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"Bill Davis" <newvideo@amug.org> wrote in message
news:newvideo-0407041208060001@d145-osel-phx.fastq.com...
> In article <WpWdnRSCso4iG3rdRVn-jg@comcast.com>, "Charles Tomaras"
> <tomaras@tomaras.com> wrote:
>
>> Windows Media allows near instant playback of streaming files on both Mac
>> and Windows. Here is a link to the details section of the Mac player that
>> lists quite a few other features, supported codecs, and properties of the
>> player.
>>
>>
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/software/Macintosh/osx/default.aspx#details
>>
>> Windows Media Playback Details
>> a.. Support for local and streamed playback of Windows Media files
>> b.. ASX version 1.0, 2.0, and 3.0 parsing
> SNIP
> SNIP
>> i.. ISO MPEG-4 Decode (4CC: MP4S)
>> j.. Decodes ISO MPEG-4 v1.0 (subset of simple profile)
>> k.. Windows Media Video Screen v7
>
> Charles post represents a good and useful look at what WMP "does" do,
> however, like most marketing source materials it kinda ignores what it
> doesn't do.
>
> One example - the Mac implementation of Windows Media Player- including
> version 9 will NOT decode and play some of the most recent versions of
> Windows for the PC encoded videos.
>
> I've had "Hardware License Inconsistant" errors appear on trying to play
> recent movies encoded on a PC when trying to play them back on my Mac even
> tho the Mac' automatic Software Update - and my subscription to Version
> Tracker - keeps that Mac day by day current on codecs and other video
> processing enablers.
>
> Essentially, that MS telling me that since I didn't choose THEIR hardware
> - I can't play a particular file.
>
> This, of course, is Microsoft's right. They "own the ball" and they can
> allow or withhold such permission as they like.
>
> But it's a good example of their typical approach to business. Choose us
> or we'll make things difficult for you.
>
> Microsoft does a lot of basic stuff very well - as their success
> indicates.
>
> Sharing ideas and encouraging a competiative marketplace where the best
> implementation of the best ideas are rewarded, regardless of their source,
> is, clearly, NOT one of them.

Bill, the only real incompatibilities stem from lack of the most recent DRM
model support on the Mac version. I've just recently been named a Microsoft
MVP in Windows Media and would love for you to send me a link to the problem
files you talk about so I can take a look and forward them to the rest of
the MVP community for comment. There is a lot of poor encoding taking place
by people who don't understand the implications of the myriad of encoding
properties that can be checked or unchecked with various encoders. One only
has to look at the difficulties amateurs have with DVD authoring to see how
seemingly innocuous settings and check boxes can affect the playability of a
disc and a wide variety of hardware. The Windows Media Player for Mac group
at Microsoft are a hard working bunch who's goal is to create a great Mac
player that will function flawlessly. To accuse them of purposefully making
an incompatible player to lure people to the Windows platform is not
consistent with my knowledge of their efforts. If anything, they held back
releasing a 9 series Mac player till they got it right. It would have made
greater strategic sense to release the 9 series player lock and step with
the Windows version which would have given them a 6 month lead on the
introduction of iTunes for Mac and would have also allowed content creators
with a Mac audience the ability to use the 9 series codecs without issue.
Instead they took their time and gave it their best. DRM issues aside, the
feedback from my Mac friends has been positive in that the OSX player is
streamlined and easy to use and does not try to be a resource hogging "do
everything" to digital media.

Charles Tomaras
Seattle, WA

 

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Deco_time wrote:
>>What exactly do you mean by restrictive? Just curious?
>
>
> Well, when the video is embedded, you can't resize the viewing window
> and you can't move it. When it opens in WMP, I can resize it the way I
> want and move it to the side and keep doing other things while the video
> is playing; for me it just seems more convenient.

Fair enough. This can be done in Quicktime too though..

http://stream.apple.akadns.net/


> I have the exact opposit problem. With QT files, unless embedded, the
> video won't start until it's finished downbloading with no input of
> what's going on except the light on the DSL modem flashing to indicate
> that I'm recieving data. With WMV on the other hand, the player opens as
> soon as the link is clicked and start to play as soon as there is enough
> data in the buffer. Probably a Mac/Window thing, but I'm glad to know
> that WMV streaming doesn't work well on Mac computers.

Probably encoded incorrectly maybe?

> I just tried IMA; from the result I got, and the trailer on your
> website, there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with it. You think AAC
> would be better?

IMA has been around for a while, AAC mpeg-4 is new. However IMA is
something like 4:1 compression, and ACC is something like 10:1. they
sound the same, but the file size is much less on AAC.. which I love.


> Everything I wanted to know, thank you.

Also.. just a side note again:

If you watch that Apple Keynote, mostly bullshit stuff (except the new
30 inch apple monitors!!), Steve Jobs talks briefly about a new CODEC
called H.264. H.264 is open standard, and scalable. Its going to be
used in the next generation DVDs, and the same codec can be used in
embedded movies on your web page!

The future in web video looks great if you ask me!

-Richard

 

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>
> Bill, the only real incompatibilities stem from lack of the most recent DRM
> model support on the Mac version. I've just recently been named a Microsoft
SNIP
> feedback from my Mac friends has been positive in that the OSX player is
> streamlined and easy to use and does not try to be a resource hogging "do
> everything" to digital media.
>
> Charles Tomaras
> Seattle, WA


Well Charles, perhaps.

But then I've got to suggest that the very LEAST thing they need to do is
revise their own error message wording.

When you try and play a file and you get "Hardware License Inconsistent?
What would ANYONE with even rudimentary analytical skills think?

Are you telling me that nobody would figure out how to splash a screen
with "DRM error - failed in playback attempt" or any of a HUNDRED other
wordings - which would, if you're correct, have the advantage of being A)
true (if so) and B) wouldn't have people asking why WMP isn't supporting
their particular hardware configuration?

When the COMPANY tells me that my"hardware LICENSE is inconsistent" with
playing a file. (my emphasis on the LICENSE) What exactly SHOULD I think?
But that someone CHOSE to not only require a "hardware license", but to
also restrict access to those not running the "right" hardware?

Yes, The latest Movie Player will play many WMV files.

But sorry, in my experience, NOT all.

The truth is that that WARNING does exits in WMP 9. And to the extent it
communicates with the public, it clearly says - "if you were running
different hardware, you COULD run this file."

What other reading of this could there be?

Am I missing something.

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Bill Davis
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"Bill Davis" <newvideo@amug.org> wrote in message
news:newvideo-0507041220030001@d24-osel-phx.fastq.com...
>
>>
>> Bill, the only real incompatibilities stem from lack of the most recent
>> DRM
>> model support on the Mac version. I've just recently been named a
>> Microsoft
> SNIP
>> feedback from my Mac friends has been positive in that the OSX player is
>> streamlined and easy to use and does not try to be a resource hogging "do
>> everything" to digital media.
>>
>> Charles Tomaras
>> Seattle, WA
>
>
> Well Charles, perhaps.
>
> But then I've got to suggest that the very LEAST thing they need to do is
> revise their own error message wording.
>
> When you try and play a file and you get "Hardware License Inconsistent?
> What would ANYONE with even rudimentary analytical skills think?
>
> Are you telling me that nobody would figure out how to splash a screen
> with "DRM error - failed in playback attempt" or any of a HUNDRED other
> wordings - which would, if you're correct, have the advantage of being A)
> true (if so) and B) wouldn't have people asking why WMP isn't supporting
> their particular hardware configuration?
>
> When the COMPANY tells me that my"hardware LICENSE is inconsistent" with
> playing a file. (my emphasis on the LICENSE) What exactly SHOULD I think?
> But that someone CHOSE to not only require a "hardware license", but to
> also restrict access to those not running the "right" hardware?
>
> Yes, The latest Movie Player will play many WMV files.
>
> But sorry, in my experience, NOT all.
>
> The truth is that that WARNING does exits in WMP 9. And to the extent it
> communicates with the public, it clearly says - "if you were running
> different hardware, you COULD run this file."
>
> What other reading of this could there be?
>
> Am I missing something.

I will forward your comments to whoever I can find appropriate and ask that
you take one moment to do so yourself at the following page: (assuming it
opens for you!)
http://register.microsoft.com/mswish/suggestion.asp?from=cu&fu=%2Fisapi%2Fgomscom%2Easp%3Ftarget%3D%2Fmswish%2Fthanks%2Ehtm

Charlie