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i played on a uk based server (i traced it with neotrace) and had a
ping around 60 ms from germany-hannover. then i came into ingame chat
with a guy from new york. he had a ping just around 80 to 90. wow
thats rather fast for going round the half planet. is there a new
undersea-cable? making lightspeed computer connections?
the world is going to be connected by 2k4.
scnr
 
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 12:58:45 +0200, Klaus Bregel <space-orbit@gmx.de>
wrote:

>i played on a uk based server (i traced it with neotrace) and had a
>ping around 60 ms from germany-hannover. then i came into ingame chat
>with a guy from new york. he had a ping just around 80 to 90. wow
>thats rather fast for going round the half planet. is there a new
>undersea-cable? making lightspeed computer connections?
>the world is going to be connected by 2k4.
>scnr

I've seen this too Klaus. Makes me wonder how accurate the ping report
really is. I've played on some servers with a very low ping and they
are based in Europe with me in east coast US. They didn't feel slow or
laggy though. Maybe 2K4 will create a universal economy and unite all
the worlds people (well, except for George Bush).

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Klaus Bregel <space-orbit@gmx.de> wrote:
>with a guy from new york. he had a ping just around 80 to 90. wow
>thats rather fast for going round the half planet. is there a new
>undersea-cable?

Dunno specifically, but there are always new fibers, and it's turning
out to be cheaper to operate them than satellites, and the low latency
doesn't hurt...

For a good read: How The World Was One [sic] by Arthur C. Clarke.

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gopostal wrote:
>
> I've seen this too Klaus. Makes me wonder how accurate the ping report
> really is. I've played on some servers with a very low ping and they
> are based in Europe with me in east coast US. They didn't feel slow or
> laggy though. Maybe 2K4 will create a universal economy and unite all
> the worlds people (well, except for George Bush).

I've played on a UK server with a ping of just 2 - I guess it's just
optimistic.

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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 12:27:01 +0000, Littlemoot wrote:
>
> I've played on a UK server with a ping of just 2 - I guess it's just
> optimistic.

I've played UT99 on JANET, the UK University network with 10 Gbps
backbone, with a constant ping of zero. Of course this is impossible,
perhaps it's just when pings get below a certain point it reports them as
zero.

K
 
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My ping is 999 and you are braging about a friggen fracken 60 ms ping
😛PPPP
If you want to find me I will be laying on the floor at a deathmatch near
you.


"Klaus Bregel" <space-orbit@gmx.de> wrote in message
news:ldn48092hkdrilglkqis1sojrofelfp346@4ax.com...
> i played on a uk based server (i traced it with neotrace) and had a
> ping around 60 ms from germany-hannover. then i came into ingame chat
> with a guy from new york. he had a ping just around 80 to 90. wow
> thats rather fast for going round the half planet. is there a new
> undersea-cable? making lightspeed computer connections?
> the world is going to be connected by 2k4.
> scnr
 
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gopostal <agutgopostal@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in
news:tur480puh4vbm4de72s8secaco7auhs044@4ax.com:

> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 12:58:45 +0200, Klaus Bregel <space-orbit@gmx.de>
> wrote:
>
>>i played on a uk based server (i traced it with neotrace) and had a
>>ping around 60 ms from germany-hannover. then i came into ingame chat
>>with a guy from new york. he had a ping just around 80 to 90. wow
>>thats rather fast for going round the half planet. is there a new
>>undersea-cable? making lightspeed computer connections?
>>the world is going to be connected by 2k4.
>>scnr
>
> I've seen this too Klaus. Makes me wonder how accurate the ping report
> really is. I've played on some servers with a very low ping and they
> are based in Europe with me in east coast US. They didn't feel slow or
> laggy though. Maybe 2K4 will create a universal economy and unite all
> the worlds people (well, except for George Bush).
>
> --
> Everything I believe could be wrong.
>

Um, what's wrong with George Bush?


--
---
Chip

"Oderint dum metuant."
- Lucius Accius
 
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 00:45:38 GMT, Chip Anderson
<b_andersNOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote:


>Um, what's wrong with George Bush?

OK....and awaaaay we go.....

<Slides soapbox up>
He's dead set against any peace in this day and time. We just crossed
700 soldiers lost in Iraq. As a former vet of the first Desert Storm,
I cannot fathom why "wars" are fought this way. The US military is not
an occupational force. You'd be hard-pressed to find a soldier,
sailor, or airman who has ever been issued handcuffs or rubber
bullets. We were given M-16's with high velocity rounds and grenades.
Bush is on a simple vendetta here to settle a score left over from
Dad. He should know better, being prior service, and I for one am sick
of the lost lives. Not everyone in the world wants to be an American,
regardless of what Americans might think.
<steps down>


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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 21:16:18 -0400, gopostal
<agutgopostal@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 00:45:38 GMT, Chip Anderson
><b_andersNOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Um, what's wrong with George Bush?
>
>OK....and awaaaay we go.....
>
><Slides soapbox up>
>He's dead set against any peace in this day and time. We just crossed
>700 soldiers lost in Iraq. As a former vet of the first Desert Storm,
>I cannot fathom why "wars" are fought this way. The US military is not
>an occupational force. You'd be hard-pressed to find a soldier,
>sailor, or airman who has ever been issued handcuffs or rubber
>bullets. We were given M-16's with high velocity rounds and grenades.
>Bush is on a simple vendetta here to settle a score left over from
>Dad. He should know better, being prior service, and I for one am sick
>of the lost lives. Not everyone in the world wants to be an American,
>regardless of what Americans might think.
><steps down>

Not to mention the fact that his Neo-Conservative Ultra Christian
views are no less extreme than the Muslim clerics he's set himself
against.
 
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"> Um, what's wrong with George Bush?
>
>
> --
> ---
> Chip
>
> "Oderint dum metuant."
> - Lucius Accius
>

he's the only elected dictator in the world.

damyjuk
 
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Un header molto originale introduce la risposta a "damyjuk":


>
>"> Um, what's wrong with George Bush?
>>
>>
>> --
>> ---
>> Chip
>>
>> "Oderint dum metuant."
>> - Lucius Accius
>>
>
>he's the only elected dictator in the world.

And he's got weapons of mass distruction, too, and he even used
forbidden (by Geneva treaty) weapons.
 
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 05:10:26 +0100, damyjuk wrote:

> he's the only elected dictator in the world.

He was elected?

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gopostal <agutgopostal@REMOVEhotmail.com> schrieb:

>On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 00:45:38 GMT, Chip Anderson
><b_andersNOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Um, what's wrong with George Bush?
>
>OK....and awaaaay we go.....
>
><Slides soapbox up>
>He's dead set against any peace in this day and time. We just crossed
>700 soldiers lost in Iraq. As a former vet of the first Desert Storm,
>I cannot fathom why "wars" are fought this way. The US military is not
>an occupational force. You'd be hard-pressed to find a soldier,
>sailor, or airman who has ever been issued handcuffs or rubber
>bullets. We were given M-16's with high velocity rounds and grenades.
>Bush is on a simple vendetta here to settle a score left over from
>Dad. He should know better, being prior service, and I for one am sick
>of the lost lives. Not everyone in the world wants to be an American,
>regardless of what Americans might think.
><steps down>
wow! bravo!
and u r really a first iraqi war veteran? nice to hear someones
opinion who really knows about what he is talking of.
full ack
 
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gopostal <agutgopostal@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in
news:cl9680190par0smagfscnf4qoqvjm26kfp@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 00:45:38 GMT, Chip Anderson
> <b_andersNOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Um, what's wrong with George Bush?
>
> OK....and awaaaay we go.....
>
> <Slides soapbox up>
> He's dead set against any peace in this day and time. We just crossed
> 700 soldiers lost in Iraq. As a former vet of the first Desert Storm,
> I cannot fathom why "wars" are fought this way. The US military is not
> an occupational force. You'd be hard-pressed to find a soldier,
> sailor, or airman who has ever been issued handcuffs or rubber
> bullets. We were given M-16's with high velocity rounds and grenades.
> Bush is on a simple vendetta here to settle a score left over from
> Dad. He should know better, being prior service, and I for one am sick
> of the lost lives. Not everyone in the world wants to be an American,
> regardless of what Americans might think.
> <steps down>
>
>
> --
> Everything I believe could be wrong.
>

Your tag says it all.


--
---
Chip

"Oderint dum metuant."
- Lucius Accius
 
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"damyjuk" <aquq24@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in
news:4083510d$0$20402$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com:

>
> "> Um, what's wrong with George Bush?
>>
>>
>> --
>> ---
>> Chip
>>
>> "Oderint dum metuant."
>> - Lucius Accius
>>
>
> he's the only elected dictator in the world.
>
> damyjuk

Hyperbole will get you nowhere.


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---
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"Oderint dum metuant."
- Lucius Accius
 
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Stefano <oppenheimer@bomb.ne> wrote in
news:GjMgc.100800$rM4.4015114@news4.tin.it:

> Un header molto originale introduce la risposta a "damyjuk":
>
>
>>
>>"> Um, what's wrong with George Bush?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ---
>>> Chip
>>>
>>> "Oderint dum metuant."
>>> - Lucius Accius
>>>
>>
>>he's the only elected dictator in the world.
>
> And he's got weapons of mass distruction, too, and he even used
> forbidden (by Geneva treaty) weapons.
>

If the U.S. were a rogue nation, then the rest of the worlds would attack
us and remove our weapons of mass destruction.

As for forbidden weapons used, which would those be?


--
---
Chip

"Oderint dum metuant."
- Lucius Accius
 
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Mr K <duffstuff@hotmail.com> wrote in news:4083b004$0$26198$cc9e4d1f@news-
text.dial.pipex.com:

> On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 05:10:26 +0100, damyjuk wrote:
>
>> he's the only elected dictator in the world.
>
> He was elected?
>

President Bush was duly elected by the process mandated under the U.S.
Constitution. This despite desperate efforts by the Democrat party to
hijack the election process.


--
---
Chip

"Oderint dum metuant."
- Lucius Accius
 
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:55:06 GMT, Chip Anderson
<b_andersNOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>gopostal <agutgopostal@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in
>news:cl9680190par0smagfscnf4qoqvjm26kfp@4ax.com:
>
>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 00:45:38 GMT, Chip Anderson
>> <b_andersNOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Um, what's wrong with George Bush?
>>
>> OK....and awaaaay we go.....
>>
>> <Slides soapbox up>
>> He's dead set against any peace in this day and time. We just crossed
>> 700 soldiers lost in Iraq. As a former vet of the first Desert Storm,
>> I cannot fathom why "wars" are fought this way. The US military is not
>> an occupational force. You'd be hard-pressed to find a soldier,
>> sailor, or airman who has ever been issued handcuffs or rubber
>> bullets. We were given M-16's with high velocity rounds and grenades.
>> Bush is on a simple vendetta here to settle a score left over from
>> Dad. He should know better, being prior service, and I for one am sick
>> of the lost lives. Not everyone in the world wants to be an American,
>> regardless of what Americans might think.
>> <steps down>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Everything I believe could be wrong.
>>
>
>Your tag says it all.

Nice rebuttal. Good to back up your thoughts with facts and
observations.

--
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:59:24 GMT, Chip Anderson wrote:

> President Bush was duly elected by the process mandated under the U.S.
> Constitution. This despite desperate efforts by the Democrat party to
> hijack the election process.

Hmm... I could've sworn Bush didn't win the election, yet managed to
become President by winning a court battle.

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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:55:06 GMT, Chip Anderson wrote:

> Your tag says it all.

Is that selective reading skill kicking in? You appear to have missed:
+----
| As a former vet of the first Desert Storm
+----

Btw, don't bother replying. You're only wasting bandwidth.

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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:33:34 +0100, Mr K <duffstuff@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:55:06 GMT, Chip Anderson wrote:
>
>> Your tag says it all.
>
>Is that selective reading skill kicking in? You appear to have missed:
>+----
>| As a former vet of the first Desert Storm
>+----


You know, I'm not especially proud of that fact either. Contrary to
what everyone saw on CNN, the US military is rather ruthless. The
general population saw a much sanitized version.

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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:18:17 -0400, gopostal wrote:

>> As a former vet of the first Desert Storm

> You know, I'm not especially proud of that fact either.

Well you should be. I was there too, although in a relatively safer place
offshore.

> Contrary to what everyone saw on CNN, the US military is rather
> ruthless.

Thank goodness. That's how a military is supposed to be, isn't it?

> The general population saw a much sanitized version.

Nothing new about that. All wars are that way.

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"Klaus Bregel" <space-orbit@gmx.de> wrote in message
news:ldn48092hkdrilglkqis1sojrofelfp346@4ax.com...
> i played on a uk based server (i traced it with neotrace) and had a
> ping around 60 ms from germany-hannover. then i came into ingame chat
> with a guy from new york. he had a ping just around 80 to 90. wow
> thats rather fast for going round the half planet. is there a new
> undersea-cable? making lightspeed computer connections?
> the world is going to be connected by 2k4.
> scnr

I think the pings reported by 2K4 are wildly inaccurate. My clan server
gives me a ping of 150-200 in ASE (which is about how it "feels") which 2K4
says is about 25.

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"gopostal" <agutgopostal@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:cl9680190par0smagfscnf4qoqvjm26kfp@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 00:45:38 GMT, Chip Anderson
> <b_andersNOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
> >Um, what's wrong with George Bush?
>
> OK....and awaaaay we go.....

With a number of excellent points.

>
> <Slides soapbox up>
> He's dead set against any peace in this day and time. We just crossed
> 700 soldiers lost in Iraq.

The actual cost in human lives (yes, Iraqis are humans, too) must be many
thousands. That includes Iraqi soldiers (who, after all, were just trying to
make a living by joining their own military) and civilians (including
children). That's why you can't unleash the deadly American military without
being *absolutely* sure you are right.

> As a former vet of the first Desert Storm,
> I cannot fathom why "wars" are fought this way. The US military is not
> an occupational force. You'd be hard-pressed to find a soldier,
> sailor, or airman who has ever been issued handcuffs or rubber
> bullets. We were given M-16's with high velocity rounds and grenades.
> Bush is on a simple vendetta here to settle a score left over from
> Dad. He should know better, being prior service,

Um, you mean pretending to attend National Guard meetings? I don't think you
get a true taste of the horrors of war that way. The way you get it is the
way you got it.

> and I for one am sick
> of the lost lives. Not everyone in the world wants to be an American,
> regardless of what Americans might think.

So true. I would only add that having the world's most powerful military
does not make us responsible for the quality of every government on the
planet -- or even just the ones with large proven oil reserves.

> <steps down>
>
>
> --
> Everything I believe could be wrong.
>

--
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 16:54:45 GMT, "Cy Edmunds"
<cedmunds@spamless.rochester.rr.com> wrote:

>"gopostal" <agutgopostal@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:cl9680190par0smagfscnf4qoqvjm26kfp@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 00:45:38 GMT, Chip Anderson
>> <b_andersNOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >Um, what's wrong with George Bush?
>>
>> OK....and awaaaay we go.....
>
>With a number of excellent points.
>
>>
>> <Slides soapbox up>
>> He's dead set against any peace in this day and time. We just crossed
>> 700 soldiers lost in Iraq.
>
>The actual cost in human lives (yes, Iraqis are humans, too) must be many
>thousands. That includes Iraqi soldiers (who, after all, were just trying to
>make a living by joining their own military) and civilians (including
>children). That's why you can't unleash the deadly American military without
>being *absolutely* sure you are right.
>

I sincerely apologize for patently missing this point. Honestly I
don't get so upset at other countries losses, but I went to a local
boy's military funeral a few days ago who was lost in Fallujah. I
guess the anger was still a bit close to the surface.

>> As a former vet of the first Desert Storm,
>> I cannot fathom why "wars" are fought this way. The US military is not
>> an occupational force. You'd be hard-pressed to find a soldier,
>> sailor, or airman who has ever been issued handcuffs or rubber
>> bullets. We were given M-16's with high velocity rounds and grenades.
>> Bush is on a simple vendetta here to settle a score left over from
>> Dad. He should know better, being prior service,
>
>Um, you mean pretending to attend National Guard meetings? I don't think you
>get a true taste of the horrors of war that way. The way you get it is the
>way you got it.
>
>> and I for one am sick
>> of the lost lives. Not everyone in the world wants to be an American,
>> regardless of what Americans might think.
>
>So true. I would only add that having the world's most powerful military
>does not make us responsible for the quality of every government on the
>planet -- or even just the ones with large proven oil reserves.
>
>> <steps down>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Everything I believe could be wrong.
>>

One of the strongest observations I had while there was the total
difference between the culture there and the way the average American
lives. Talk about your polar opposites. We will never "Americanize"
that region because it's not what they want at all. It's best that we
stay out of the way. I understand that women and children will suffer
for it, but you cannot dictate to the world how to live just because
you currently have the biggest stick. Didn't we start this country for
that very reason?

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