R.I.P Nelson Mandela

[Mousemonkey]

He changed the world and will never be forgotten.

 

[patrick47018]

Agreed, he will be missed

 

[Mousemonkey]

Even though we knew this time was near I still find myself getting choked up, weird huh?

 

[patrick47018]

Not really, when someone this influential to the world passes everyone feels it, whether we knew it was coming or not.

 

[iceclock]

sad but will be remembered.

 

[musical marv]

He changed the world and will never be forgotten.

He is gone but will never be forgotten.A real leader for peace in his country and the world.Read his biography great reading.

 

[iceclock]

thanks marv good stuff

 

[Reynod]

Great man but South Africa went to the dogs after the "Cultural Revolution" and never recovered.

Like Zimbabwi (Rhodesia) the resultant changes afterwards basically bled all of the human capital (running the place and investing) out of the respective countries, with gross mismanagement of government, resources, lawlessness that has followed.

It will take them both another 40 years to recover, mainly due to the despicable lack of education provided to the black Africans during the previous regimes.

With Mandela gone there will also be a major battle between the two sides of his family ... there will be bloodshed.

I think it will be bad in the short term but I hope the people can get out of the mess they are in ... I think of the many children and women who suffer.

 

[iceclock]

dont forget men will suffer also but i get ur drift

 

[Reynod]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4KVcV_rMwY

 

[chunkymonster]

Mandela will be criticized, demonized, and/or called many things by his detractors. But nothing will change the fact that he was a true Statesman and a believer in democracy, equality, and peace.

He is one of the greatest examples of a national Leader obeying and subjecting himself to the rule of law under his country's constitution. Mandela testified in court and willingly subjected himself to the court's rulings during his time as President when he could have exempted himself. He could have become a total dictator but he didn't. He befriended the very prison guards who watched over him and even made some of them his personal body guards. He is the epitome of forgiveness, constitutional leadership, and selflessly leading his country to be a better place.

It made me sick to hear Obama go on about his "relationship" with Mandela. Obama is not even good enough to wash Mandela's underwear.

 

[musical marv]

thanks marv good stuff

You are welcome. The movie was excellent also.

 

[Reynod]

I found an article yesterday listing all of the greats of recent history ... Mary Theresa ... etc and Mandela.

Sadly the idiot who wrote the article put the likes of Bill Gates and a couple of others in there ... not in the same league I am afraid. I'll try and find the article.

 

[iceclock]

Yes bill gates accomplishments are great but u can't compare him to ghandi or Mandela or mother theresa

 

[Reynod]

Exactly ... motivation for a start.

Gates bought dodgy software from a nerd and improved it and was a Marketing genius ... much like Jobs.

Both lined theor own pockets, pushed their own barrow and later in life gave a few pennies back.

Mandela and others did what they did to improve injustice for their people ... it was never about the fame or the money.

I therefore find it insulting to have rich people listed in the same sentence.

Jesus
Buddha
Confucius
Albert Einstein
Issac Newton
Thomas Edison
Plato / Socrates / the other guy
Columbus
Martin Luther King
George Washington
JFK
Leonardo Da Vinci
Michelangelo
Mozart
Beethoven
Darwin

there are a lot of others ...

 

[iceclock]

nice list. dont forget George Washington Carver the inventor of peanut butter.

thats a great invention to man kind.

 

[chunkymonster]

Strike Thomas Edison from the list. He was a ruthless bastard who along with his powerful investors pretty much single handed destroyed Nikola Tesla and his career.

I'm not trying to trample on the man's grave with this question by any means. Is everyone here in this thread giving such great accolades to Nelson Mandela, also devout Communists? Because Mandela was since around the 50's right up to the day he died.

I guess we're all communists....now? Wait, rumplestiltskin moment.

Ditto on Edison. He was ruthless.

I enjoyed watching the liberal news outlets over the weekend celebrate Mandela as one of their own. While he did right by his country and stuck to his political principles, he was the definition of a Socialist Democrat.

What pissed me off though was that through all the Mandela worship, there was little to no mention of the fact that Saturday, 12/7, was Pearl Harbor day. It's sad that the media opted to fawn over someone who Margaret Thatcher considered to be a world terrorist and give no mention to the thousands of American service men/women who died that day.

 

[Reynod]

Yes the atrocities the ANC members caused were no better than the previous regime ... revenge ... now ol Jo'burg lies in ruins ... along with the rest of the country.

In a few years it will just become like the rest of the African states ...

The scavengers even tore up the copper waterpipe under the parks and public gardens and stole every statue there ... even the benches.

 

[iceclock]

thats really sad reynod, like what the heck.

 

[musical marv]

Mandela will be criticized, demonized, and/or called many things by his detractors. But nothing will change the fact that he was a true Statesman and a believer in democracy, equality, and peace.

He is one of the greatest examples of a national Leader obeying and subjecting himself to the rule of law under his country's constitution. Mandela testified in court and willingly subjected himself to the court's rulings during his time as President when he could have exempted himself. He could have become a total dictator but he didn't. He befriended the very prison guards who watched over him and even made some of them his personal body guards. He is the epitome of forgiveness, constitutional leadership, and selflessly leading his country to be a better place.

It made me sick to hear Obama go on about his "relationship" with Mandela. Obama is not even good enough to wash Mandela's underwear.

Obama kisses ass don't you know this by now.He is a good actor but never will he follow in Mandela's footsteps.

 

[iceclock]

well we all know the story of africa, they used to have alot of rich minerals and gold and etc, got invaded and now are very poor. lets just say if the white man dint invade africa, they would of seen better days.

 

[Mousemonkey]

well we all know the story of africa, they used to have alot of rich minerals and gold and etc, got invaded and now are very poor. lets just say if the white man dint invade africa, they would of seen better days.

First, are you being serious? Second, do you even know what you're talking about?

Are you going dare suggest that apartheid was something the native South Africans asked for and embraced with open arms?

 

[Reynod]

Wll he told a very very short story and pehaps missed a lot of detail but lets face it, Africa was colonised by first world countries like France and England, was exploited for its mineral and food, was recently handed back (mostly bar the French still have a stake) ... local indigenous rule in most nations in that country haven't done well.

You could argue first world intervention hasn't done anything to improve the place.

India for example one could argue has significantly gained from English rule, and then after return to self rule continued to advance.

Indian culture and innovation continue to advance.

 

[Mousemonkey]

I know a bit more about Africa than you may think, it's a heritage thing so tread carefully.

 

[iceclock]

I was being serious