[SOLVED] R7 5800x + rx 6700xt vs i9 10850k + rtx 3060ti all @stock

[tagreb2001]

I'm confused which one to build.I'm not going to overcloack.
Choices r about the same prices in my region :
1- cpu: i9 10850k
Gpu : rtx 3060 ti zotac win edge oc (or rx 6700xt if needed)
Mobo : gigabyte b460m-ds3h v2
Cooler : cooler master hyper 410r or thermaltake contac 9 (don't know which is better)
Ram: 2x8 3200mhz
Psu: bitfenix whisper m 650w 80plus gold

2- cpu: r7 5800x
Gpu : gigabyte rx 6700xt gaming oc (or rtx 3060 to if needed)
Mobo : gigabyte b550m ds3h (does it support sam ? )
Cooler : stock
Ram: 2×8 3200mhz
Psu: bitfenix whisper m 650w 80plus gold
I think i can benefit from sam tech with this build
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Monitor : 1440p 144hz
I want to hit the 144 fps at 1440p in all games and for some years

I need for playing games + recording and streaming + video editing + photoshop + blender
So i need the perfect balanced one i will even replace the gpus in the previous builds if needed

Would i need the 2 more cores in the i9 10850k for productivity ?
need to hear ur opinion
Thank u

 

[JohnBonhamsGhost]

neither of those GPUs are going to hit 144fps with higher settings in any newer demanding games @ 1440p.
probably more like 90fps in a best case scenario with ~medium settings.

you've also got to consider that you may not be able to get your hands on any RX 6000 or RTX 3000 series cards for quite some time.
most right now are just getting whatever they can find at near to MSRP.

rx 6700xt gaming oc (or rtx 3060 ti if needed)

the RX 6700 XT is more on par with a RTX 3070 than a 3060 Ti.
so even the RTX 3070 wouldn't be able to reach the fps you're hoping for @ 1440p with higher settings in most games.

with my current setup @ 3440x1440p, i reach ~75fps in Cyberpunk 2077 with a mix of med > ultra settings and Ray Tracing effects off.
and get about the same result in Horizon Zero Dawn with all ultra settings.
those are two of the most demanding games available right now.

you could either decide to drop down to a 1080p display
and\or move up to the RX 6800 XT or RTX 3080.
even then i doubt you'd be getting consistent 144fps in most newer games.

considering you're planning on keeping them for a few years and continuing to reach very high fps with all games.
you may need something even more powerful like an RX 6900 or RTX 3090 as games continue to get more demanding.

 

[Phaaze88]

I have concerns with the following:
1)i9-10850K + Gigabyte b460m-ds3h v2 combo in Build 1.
Power and thermal throttle city on the VRMs. That is a combination of a cpu with high power consumption under full load with a mobo not adequately designed to handle that kind of draw.
Even if you aren't OC'ing, the 10850K is dumb with power consumption under full loads.
The 10850K is still expensive, even after its discounts; it requires a robust motherboard(VRM) and a beefy cooler.
Either step the cpu down to a 10600K or lower, or step the mobo up to something like a MAG B460M Mortar or TUF Gaming B460M Plus.

2)i9-10850K with either of the proposed cpu coolers in Build 1.
Both are too small. They'd be more appropriate for an i5-10400 though.
Think NH-D15, 280mm hybrid, or similar options, instead.

3)As far as I know, only the 5600X in the Ryzen 5000 lineup is packaged with a boxed cooler.
The 5800X isn't big on power like the 10850K is, but gets hot for other reasons - neither the Hyper 410R nor Contac 9 will be adequate for it though.
Think NH-U14S, 240mm hybrid, or similar options.



If those 2 builds are already pushing the boundaries of your budget, then you definitely need to make some compromises.
If the budget still has room, think it over some more.

 

[tagreb2001]

neither of those GPUs are going to hit 144fps with higher settings in any newer demanding games @ 1440p.
probably more like 90fps in a best case scenario with ~medium settings.

you've also got to consider that you may not be able to get your hands on any RX 6000 or RTX 3000 series cards for quite some time.
most right now are just getting whatever they can find at near to MSRP.

the RX 6700 XT is more on par with a RTX 3070 than a 3060 Ti.
so even the RTX 3070 wouldn't be able to reach the fps you're hoping for @ 1440p with higher settings in most games.

with my current setup @ 3440x1440p, i reach ~75fps in Cyberpunk 2077 with a mix of med > ultra settings and Ray Tracing effects off.
and get about the same result in Horizon Zero Dawn with all ultra settings.
those are two of the most demanding games available right now.

you could either decide to drop down to a 1080p display
and\or move up to the RX 6800 XT or RTX 3080.
even then i doubt you'd be getting consistent 144fps in most newer games.

considering you're planning on keeping them for a few years and continuing to reach very high fps with all games.
you may need something even more powerful like an RX 6900 or RTX 3090 as games continue to get more demanding.

No problem for me to play in the lowest setting to reach 144fps @1440p for long term
But i don't know which one of those can do that without noticable losing in the productivity
as i can't go up as my budget won't let me
Prices r so high

 

[tagreb2001]

I have concerns with the following:
1)i9-10850K + Gigabyte b460m-ds3h v2 combo in Build 1.
Power and thermal throttle city on the VRMs. That is a combination of a cpu with high power consumption under full load with a mobo not adequately designed to handle that kind of draw.
Even if you aren't OC'ing, the 10850K is dumb with power consumption under full loads.
The 10850K is still expensive, even after its discounts; it requires a robust motherboard(VRM) and a beefy cooler.
Either step the cpu down to a 10600K or lower, or step the mobo up to something like a MAG B460M Mortar or TUF Gaming B460M Plus.

2)i9-10850K with either of the proposed cpu coolers in Build 1.
Both are too small. They'd be more appropriate for an i5-10400 though.
Think NH-D15, 280mm hybrid, or similar options, instead.

3)As far as I know, only the 5600X in the Ryzen 5000 lineup is packaged with a boxed cooler.
The 5800X isn't big on power like the 10850K is, but gets hot for other reasons - neither the Hyper 410R nor Contac 9 will be adequate for it though.
Think NH-U14S, 240mm hybrid, or similar options.



If those 2 builds are already pushing the boundaries of your budget, then you definitely need to make some compromises.
If the budget still has room, think it over some more.

according to i9 10850k i can go for mag b460m mortar or gigabyte b460m aorus pro for 20$ more in my region
and 30$ more for CM hyper 212 black edition (air cooling) or gamdius chione e2 120r (liquid cooling) i don't know which is better and i can't go up more because of my budget
but after that which build of the 4 will be better and why ?

 

[Phaaze88]

according to i9 10850k i can go for mag b460m mortar or gigabyte b460m aorus pro for 20$ more in my region
and 30$ more for CM hyper 212 black edition (air cooling) or gamdius chione e2 120r (liquid cooling) i don't know which is better and i can't go up more because of my budget
but after that which build of the 4 will be better and why ?

Just what I was afraid of.
I'm sorry, but you can't 'afford' the 10850K: So you're able to squeeze in a decent board, but can't do the same for cooling. You have to step it(cpu choice) down.
Both of the 2 new coolers you mention are slightly better than the last 2, but still not adequate. This cpu is just that dumb with power draw under full loads.
If you're planning to render for a few hours or more, none of those coolers will hold up.

As I currently see it, i5-10600K and R5-5600X builds are the ones you can realistically afford to do, but the latter doesn't have integrated graphics, so if you have trouble getting a new gpu, well you will be stuck for a while.

 

[sizzling]

I add support for the above. An i9 requires top end motherboard and cooling especially if using for productivity work that is going to heavily load the cpu.

 

[tagreb2001]

Just what I was afraid of.
I'm sorry, but you can't 'afford' the 10850K: So you're able to squeeze in a decent board, but can't do the same for cooling. You have to step it(cpu choice) down.
Both of the 2 new coolers you mention are slightly better than the last 2, but still not adequate. This cpu is just that dumb with power draw under full loads.
If you're planning to render for a few hours or more, none of those coolers will hold up.

As I currently see it, i5-10600K and R5-5600X builds are the ones you can realistically afford to do, but the latter doesn't have integrated graphics, so if you have trouble getting a new gpu, well you will be stuck for a while.

What about r7 5800x there is a problem with the 2 coolers or the mobo ?
and according to i9 10850k u told me that msi mag b460m mortar can handle
and coolers maybe i can pay more for it but i can't go down as i don't want it for gaming only but as i said video editing ..etc too
so what about those coolers maybe except the 113$ one.lower is better

 

[tagreb2001]

I add support for the above. An i9 requires top end motherboard and cooling especially if using for productivity work that is going to heavily load the cpu.

what about the r7 5800x one ?
and does the integrated gpu affect recording or encoding ?

 

[Phaaze88]

What about r7 5800x there is a problem with the 2 coolers or the mobo ?

Nothing wrong with the mobo selection. This cpu doesn't come with a boxed cooler, so a cooler must be purchased.
While the cooler requirements aren't exotic like those of the 10850K, your rendering needs are going to be more than what a little Hyper 212 or 120mm hybrid cooler can put up with. You can game with either though.
Different power loads, with gaming usually being lower.

and according to i9 10850k u told me that msi mag b460m mortar can handle

That I did. You still went too cheap on the cooler though. 10850K needs BOTH a good mobo and high end cooling. You don't appear to be able to stretch the budget to do both.

so what about those coolers maybe except the 113$ one.lower is better

Sorry, but only the 2 top ones on that page come close to working with the 5800X.


If it's too close to the limit, step down the cpu options. 'Give yourself some breathing room'.

 

[tagreb2001]

Nothing wrong with the mobo selection. This cpu doesn't come with a boxed cooler, so a cooler must be purchased.
While the cooler requirements aren't exotic like those of the 10850K, your rendering needs are going to be more than what a little Hyper 212 or 120mm hybrid cooler can put up with. You can game with either though.
Different power loads, with gaming usually being lower.


That I did. You still went too cheap on the cooler though. 10850K needs BOTH a good mobo and high end cooling. You don't appear to be able to stretch the budget to do both.


Sorry, but only the 2 top ones on that page come close to working with the 5800X.


If it's too close to the limit, step down the cpu options. 'Give yourself some breathing room'.

So i think Cooler Master ML240L V2 RGB is enough. If it is then the 2 builds will be :
1-
Cpu : r7 5800x
Cooler : Cooler Master ML240L V2 RGB
Mobo : gigabyte b550m ds3h
ram: 2x8 3200mhz
Psu : bitfenix whisper m 650w 80plus gold
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Cost with 4f case = 1115$ in my country

2-
Cpu : i9 10850k
Cooler : Cooler Master ML240L V2 RGB
Mobo : msi mag b460m mortar
ram: 2x8 3200mhz
Psu : bitfenix whisper m 650w 80plus gold
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Cost with 4f case = 1035$ in my country

There is a 80$ in price between them i can use them or even some of them to get better cooler for the i9 10850k if needed (i mean if it was better choice than the r7 5800x and if the cooler wasn't enough again XD )

According to the gpu:
rtx 3060 ti is 20$ more expensive than rx 6700xt
Maybe almost the same but i don't know which to pick but i think rx 6700xt with r7 5800x will be good because of SAM benefit

I'm so confused so pls choose for me but i can pay more for the cooler in i9 10850k option as u see
But i won't get SAM benefit if i chose it with the rx 6700xt or even with rtx 3060ti and the thing r7 5800x with rtx 3060 ti = no SAM
I don't know what is the best for gaming and productivity yet

 

[JohnBonhamsGhost]

I'm so confused so pls choose for me

you still need to keep in mind that you may not find an RX 6000 or RTX 3000 card for a while.
and if you do, it may be for more than 2x the MSRP. so your budget would be out the window.

if you purchase the rest of the system anytime soon than prepare to be using an existing GPU you may have on hand
or that you may need to purchase an older cheaper model to substitute.

 

[tagreb2001]

you still need to keep in mind that you may not find an RX 6000 or RTX 3000 card for a while.
and if you do, it may be for more than 2x the MSRP. so your budget would be out the window.

if you purchase the rest of the system anytime soon than prepare to be using an existing GPU you may have on hand
or that you may need to purchase an older cheaper model to substitute.

They r availble in my country but limited and u should buy full pc to pick one only
So i want to decide fast before they go out of stock and i will need to wait again so i can't buy the pc without the gpu or i will never be able to buy it as u can buy it with full pc only

 

[tagreb2001]

So guys what should i do now

 

[Phaaze88]

I saw cooling issues with both builds and wanted to help with that.
I didn't tag in to pick a best build for you - I tried to warn against stretching your budget too thin, because if you run into problems shortly after the build, you could end up spending more money trying to fix whatever the issue could be.
DIY PC is quite a bit more involved than getting a prebuilt.


Most reviews say that the 5800X is overall superior to the 10850K, even though it has fewer cores/threads...

 

[tagreb2001]

I saw cooling issues with both builds and wanted to help with that.
I didn't tag in to pick a best build for you - I tried to warn against stretching your budget too thin, because if you run into problems shortly after the build, you could end up spending more money trying to fix whatever the issue could be.
DIY PC is quite a bit more involved than getting a prebuilt.


Most reviews say that the 5800X is overall superior to the 10850K, even though it has fewer cores/threads...

U told that r7 5800x is lower in temp than i9 10850k so isn't Cooler Master ML240L V2 enough for it ? And i can afford Corsair iCUE H100i PRO XT for i9 10850k if needed
the budget isn't the issue now but the decision.
+i can't find good dual tower air cooler in all my country.

 

[Phaaze88]

U told that r7 5800x is lower in temp than i9 10850k so isn't Cooler Master ML240L V2 enough for it ?

I did not say that.
"The 5800X has lower power consumption than the 10850K, but runs hot for other reasons." <-That's what I said.
5800X
+lower power consumption Vs 10850K.
-higher socket thermals, due to the combination of 7nm thermal density, the multi chip module design, and not voltage binned.

10850K
-higher power consumption Vs 5800X.
+lower socket thermals, due to 14nm(lower thermal density than 7nm) and monolithic die.

+i can't find good dual tower air cooler in all my country.

Dual tower air = 240mm hybrid

 

[tagreb2001]

Sorry, but only the 2 top ones on that page come close to working with the 5800X.

What i understood from that is that i9 10850k need good cooler than r7 5800x so it runs hotter.

and as i said i can't find dual tower air cooling
So the coolers i can get r:
-Corsair iCUE H100i PRO XT (maybe out of stock)
-MSI MAG CORELIQUID 240R
-Thermaltake TH240 ARGB Sync Snow Edition
-XPG LEVANTE 240MM AIO CPU Cooler
-Thermaltake TH240 ARGB Sync
-Cooler Master ML240L V2 RGB

so what is ur recommenation to pick i9 10850k or r7 5800x and which cooler to pick with and combine it with rtx 3060ti or rx 6700xt for best gaming ,streaming and productivity experience.

 

[Phaaze88]

So the coolers i can get r:
-Corsair iCUE H100i PRO XT (maybe out of stock)
-MSI MAG CORELIQUID 240R
-Thermaltake TH240 ARGB Sync Snow Edition
-XPG LEVANTE 240MM AIO CPU Cooler
-Thermaltake TH240 ARGB Sync
-Cooler Master ML240L V2 RGB

Innovation in hybrid coolers has gone stale. Those are all quite literally the same; 240mm, another 240mm, oh another 240mm... stop.
280mm or skip it.
If you were just gaming + streaming with this, the 240mm would've been ok on a 10850K.
A 240mm is fine on a 5800X regardless.

so what is ur recommenation to pick i9 10850k or r7 5800x and which cooler to pick with and combine it with rtx 3060ti or rx 6700xt for best gaming ,streaming and productivity experience.

I did say I wasn't picking for you...
Gaming(cpu): 5800X overall. If you need specific titles, look it up. Game engines will favor Intel > AMD, or vice versa.
Gaming(gpu): 6700XT overall. If you need specific titles, look it up. Game engines will favor Nvidia > AMD, or vice versa.
Streaming(cpu): a tie.
Streaming(gpu): I've HEARD that Nvidia has the more user friendly software tools for the task...
Productivity: 5800X overall.

 

[tagreb2001]

Innovation in hybrid coolers has gone stale. Those are all quite literally the same; 240mm, another 240mm, oh another 240mm... stop.
280mm or skip it.
If you were just gaming + streaming with this, the 240mm would've been ok on a 10850K.
A 240mm is fine on a 5800X regardless.


I did say I wasn't picking for you...
Gaming(cpu): 5800X overall. If you need specific titles, look it up. Game engines will favor Intel > AMD, or vice versa.
Gaming(gpu): 6700XT overall. If you need specific titles, look it up. Game engines will favor Nvidia > AMD, or vice versa.
Streaming(cpu): a tie.
Streaming(gpu): I've HEARD that Nvidia has the more user friendly software tools for the task...
Productivity: 5800X overall.

Just last question
If all 240 liquid cooler r closely the same then Cooler Master ML240L V2 would be fine with the r7 5800x as it's the cheapest ?
and would GAMDIAS CHIONE P2 360R RGB or COUGAR AQUA 280MM be good with i9 10850k in productivity ?
ty and sorry for all that questions

 

[Phaaze88]

If all 240 liquid cooler r closely the same then Cooler Master ML240L V2 would be fine with the r7 5800x as it's the cheapest ?

Yes.

and would GAMDIAS CHIONE P2 360R RGB be good with i9 10850k in productivity ?

Yes.

 

[tagreb2001]

Yes.


Yes.

Ty
But missed to ask u about COUGAR AQUA 280MM for i9 10850k too as it's cheaper than 360mm one is it ok or go with 360 one better ?
Sorry

 

[Phaaze88]

The 280mm should be fine, since you did say you wouldn't touch overclocking.

 

[Heat_Fan89]

I recently purchased two prebuilts because graphics cards are nearly impossible to find at MSRP. So I bought an Alienware Aurora R10 Ryzen 3800X with an RTX 2070 Super. The other was an HP Omen 30L with an i9-10850K and an RTX 3080. For gaming they are both very fast but as others have stated the Ryzen is the all around better choice if you plan on doing things other than gaming. However, Intel seems to be the better deal price wise regarding CPU’s.