Radeon HD 6990M And GeForce GTX 580M: A Beautiful Lie

[Crashman]

We’ve been more than outspoken about the naming AMD and Nvidia use for their mobile GPUs. Are they really trying to mislead buyers, though? We briefly examine their methodology and frame that against the limitations of high-end mobile computing.

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[Guest]

"Recent invention"

Did...did this article travel forwards in time half a year?

 

[Yargnit]

The HD 6990M is certainly the worst in a long line of ever-increasing false advertising by GPU manufacturers when it comes to their mobile cards.

Every generation is more guilty than the one before, but AMD indeed hit a new low when they used the name of their dual-GPU flagship to go along with a single-GPU mobile card. (Not even based off the same GPU at that)

I wonder what the chances of someone successfully filing a false advertising suit for this would be? Especially in the EU where they seem much stricter about that stuff than the US is, I'd have to think they'd have a decent shot. (This is at least as bad as the whole LED/LCD TV thing that the courts ruled against the manufacturers on)

I can let some reasonable under-clocking (say 25% at most) get by for mobile GPU's under the same name, but they should have to be based off the same GPU as the desktop card that they are named after at least, and in the case of using the name of a dual-GPU card they should actually have to be dual GPU cards.

Either put an actual 6990 in the laptop, or call it a HD 6870m.

 

[el33t]

What on earth took you guys so long to realize this??

 

[Dacatak]

and heat public enemy number one

Heat like fire BAD! Computer fire NO-NO!

 

[Inferno1217]

This is nothing new to the laptop world and is common knowledge. You can't expect 580 or 6990 desktop performance out of a mobile 580 or 6990 solutions (note the M at the end). This article may help newcomers understand the differences between mobile and desktop gpu's.

 

[Crashman]

[citation][nom]el33t[/nom]What on earth took you guys so long to realize this??[/citation]This is something like the third article to point these problems out, but it's the first to use the desktop 6990. Tom's Hardware simply doesn't have enough 6990's for every tester to have his own

 

[alanim]

Normally I wouldn't really see a problem with this, because as far as I understand the numbers are just there to show a tier on how powerful the graphics cards are, and since this is the 6990M, one would assume that it's the highest tier for the current generation mobile graphics card.

Now on the otherhand they're using the numbers as their desktop counterparts just with a tacked on M for mobile, I assume the only reason they don't use a different number is because it could confuse the buyers into thinking it was either a newer or older generation part, although that's assuming most people who buy these know what the current generation parts are(which I assume is not the case).

What you're seeing isn't actually them trying to deceive people it's actually them using a streamlined approach. All this 6990M means is that it's top tier for mobile GPU's of the current generation, this is the consequence of trying to make the numbers more buyer friendly. Good Idea, Good Usage, but relies heavily on customer knowledge and understanding on what they're buying, but that could be said for almost anything.

 

[SteelCity1981]

in Nvidia and AMD's defense there is an 'M' at the end so it's not false advertising. lol

 

[aznshinobi]

Agreed, there is an M for a reason. It's the buyers fault for not researching. Most buyers just buy the most expensive product and assume it's good. This will teach them otherwise.

 

[Crashman]

[citation][nom]aznshinobi[/nom]Agreed, there is an M for a reason. It's the buyers fault for not researching. Most buyers just buy the most expensive product and assume it's good. This will teach them otherwise.[/citation]That's why the article was published

 

[mesab66]

Agreed, in part - most savy customers understand completely that the equivalent name/name-M in a laptop is underpowered/underclocked. All unsavy customers will just think that the higher number part is better (in actual fact they are more probably thinking "pay more money get better laptop").

The real problem for AMD is that for a 'significant'? time they have used desktop-equivalent naming and just added "M". This may very well be problematic for both customer and AMD when the customer 'is justified having the expectation' to expect a dual-card design......can AMD really defend against this when they persist in sticking with the naming convention taken directly from their desktop equivalents??

I'd be interested for this to be tested out.

 

[blibba]

It's not like they called it the 6970X2m. **9* doesn't imply dual GPU imo - look at the desktop 6790. It's the original 6990 that was stupidly named.

 

[de5_Roy]

fun article. less informed laptop buyers should be made aware of these practices by amd and nvidia.
one thing stood out to me though... amd gfx cards being cpu bottlenecked. so amd gfx cards will perform better with an overclocked 2500k compared to a..say ph ii x4 980/fx 4100/8120 (all 3 oc'ed to 4.0-4.4 ghz)? how about crossfire? will there be some kind of in-depth look into this kind of matter, since new and more powerful gfx cards are on the way and amd doesn't seem to have cpus that can let powerful gfx cards flex their muscles. i am almost certain i am gonna get attacked/downvoted for this... but my curiosity is more than fear!!

 

[Kaldor]

Nvidia may not be as guilty at this point in time, but their renaming and spinning out the core from the 8800, 9800 and 250 cards was epic. Nothing like selling the same old GPU (with minor improvements) for 2+ years.

 

[blibba]

fun article. less informed laptop buyers should be made aware of these practices by amd and nvidia.
one thing stood out to me though... amd gfx cards being cpu bottlenecked. so amd gfx cards will perform better with an overclocked 2500k compared to a..say ph ii x4 980/fx 4100/8120 (all 3 oc'ed to 4.0-4.4 ghz)? how about crossfire? will there be some kind of in-depth look into this kind of matter, since new and more powerful gfx cards are on the way and amd doesn't seem to have cpus that can let powerful gfx cards flex their muscles. i am almost certain i am gonna get attacked/downvoted for this... but my curiosity is more than fear!!

This phenomenon is quite unusual really.
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/ASUS/HD_7970_CrossFire/images/crysis_1024_768.gif

Nvidia may not be as guilty at this point in time, but their renaming and spinning out the core from the 8800, 9800 and 250 cards was epic. Nothing like selling the same old GPU (with minor improvements) for 2+ years.

Don't forget the GTX285m!

 

[marcolorenzo]

I think this kind of discussion is pointless. Of course, AMD and nVidia are guilty of misleading uninformed buyers. But the point is moot since I doubt anybody would base their PC purchasing decisions on comparisons between Desktop and Notebook cards. If they need mobility, they'd be deciding between the available mobile choices. If they don't need mobility then the desktop cards would be their concern. In any case, a notebook solution is always more expensive that its desktop counterpart, so if anything, the companies are doing themselves a disfavour by naming them the same way.

 

[msgun98]

Great article, and it is the reason I am done purchasing "gaming" laptops. Gotta spend $2,000+ to have a machine with an underclocked desktop 6870 in it? No thanks. I'll just take a laptop with a fast CPU for work and build a desktop for gaming.

 

[warezme]

I don't understand why people defend this. It is a lie, one to deceive the uninitiated, call it as it is. Yes we understand the difference or we probably wouldn't be reading this article so we are not the ones being being deceived out right but in a way we are still the victims. We are victims in that the graphics industry has found a way to NOT innovate, to NOT develop truly new high performance mobile video because they have been allowed to get away with just renaming the last two generations parts. You people need to wake up.

We need more articles like this that call these companies out on their deceptions.

 

[blazorthon]

[citation][nom]warezme[/nom]I don't understand why people defend this. It is a lie, one to deceive the uninitiated, call it as it is. Yes we understand the difference or we probably wouldn't be reading this article so we are not the ones being being deceived out right but in a way we are still the victims. We are victims in that the graphics industry has found a way to NOT innovate, to NOT develop truly new high performance mobile video because they have been allowed to get away with just renaming the last two generations parts. You people need to wake up.We need more articles like this that call these companies out on their deceptions.[/citation]

People aren't defending AMD/Nvidia as much as looking for reasons for why they did something that overall seemed to be bad marketing decisions. I agree about needing more articles like this.

But really... none of this should come as a surprise to anyone whom reads the last page of "Best Graphics Cards for the Money" where it has clearly been said for several months at the least that the top mobile GPUs are in the same performance tier as the Radeon 6870 and GTX 560.

 

[Guest]

Nice article. However, 6990 M and desktop represent very small number of the reality out there.
I was wondering, what would be the difference in more mainstream GPUs, e.g. GTX 560 vs GTX 560M, etc.

 

[PseudopsiaKite]

I consider AMD/NVIDIA model naming of their mobile GPUs border line fraud because it misleads consumers to think that notebooks GPUs are just as powerful as desktops GPUs. I helped support a game on a fan based site and had to explain frequently the performance differences between desktop and notebook GPU performance.

IMO AMD/NVIDIA should be sued.

 

[chesteracorgi]

One of the problems with AMD and Nvidia is the "me too," attitude about the nomenclature of their mobile GPUs. Sophisticated users/buyers see through the facade and can protect themselves from the less-than-honest or uninformed sales people who try to oversell the mobile GPUs. The people who get deceived are the unsophisticated buyers who want a good computer for Jack or Jill as they go up the hill to college.

For the most part I find the sales people to be about as clueless as you can find about computers. When asked about the difference between a GTX 580 and a GTX 580M they usually answer either "Huh?" or "There is no difference, the M is just the special GPU for notebooks."

AMD and NVidia would do well to put a graphic on the relative power of their chips on the outside of every product they sell. But failing that, the educated consumer is his/her own best watchdog.

And we don't need no stinkin lawyers makin their fortunes off false-advertising class actions where thay get millions and we get coupons.

 

[Yargnit]

For the person who asked about the 560/560m, the 560m is basically an underclocked 550ti.

I wouldn't even care about the $ from a lawsuit as long as it forced AMD/Nvidia to admit how crappy their mobile GPU's are in the naming schemes from now on. Maybe they'd even work harder on power overall power efficiency if they were suddenly stuck unable to put out a mobile GPU model number higher than 6870.

 

[alyoshka]

Glad to learn something new, really , good informative article and deserves to be in the public domain for a long long time.