Radeon vs geforce

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now i have a few questions. im a big gamer fan but doesnt the radeon have problems of not being supported by alot of games? i know that was the way it use to be but more and more im hearing alot of people use them so i guess that is out of the question. also are radeon graphic cards that good now? ive been a nvidia geforce fan but im leaning more towards the radeons cause i noticed the shaders are alot higher. im looking to get rid of my 8600gt and update but i want to be able to play like crysis on high end graphics so any advice would be great.
thanks
 
What do you mean not supported? They both work in all games, though the multi-GPU setups are somewhat more picky for maximum performance. Something like the 4830 or 4850 would be a huge upgrade from an 8600, and not too expensive.
 

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I'm guessing hes talking about how close Nvidia is with the game manufacturers. They have tons of game profiles in their drivers, something AMD doesn't. This doesn't mean the games aren't supported by the AMD cards, it simply means they aren't "tweaked".

This question isn't worded properly. What your asking is a bit like asking Ford or Chevy. Each company makes so many different models, with different prices and abilities, that you simply can't asked Ford/Chevy or AMD/Nvidia. Mustang or Camero, 4850 or 9800GT sure, but asking about the company doesn't make a lot of sense.

Jberry, what video games do you play? What resolution do you play at? What does the rest of your computer look like? What power supply do you have? These are questions that should be answered before we start throwing card ideas at you.
 

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A lot of games have Nvidia ads all over them, but ATI is supported in all games.

Right now ATI pretty much rules the low-midrange cards. In the high end there's competition between the GTX260 216 and the HD4870 1GB and in the ultra high end there's the GTX295 and HD4870X2.
 

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Jberry, what video games do you play? What resolution do you play at? What does the rest of your computer look like? What power supply do you have? These are questions that should be answered before we start throwing card ideas at you.



i like the games such as crysis, bioshock, f.e.a.r etc... resolution is 1680/1050(22 inch widescreen monitor) im running a 650watt ps. running a older nforce 570 slit a mb with a pen. d 830 3ghz(o/c to 3.7) ( and also will be getting a make over with that part of the pc as well). yes i am sorry i really worded my questions wrong as in not supported. its just you never see ati in anything(advertised that is) with the games.
 

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future updates is the ci7 cpu and new mb but that wont be until next year. i just want a card that plays these games on high graphics and has a good shader to them. also id like to have one pci-e with hd connectors. also what is the better brand name out there in the ati world(manufacture).
 

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is this one a pretty good card? HIS Radeon HD 4850 IceQ4 TurboX - 512MB GDDR3, PCI Express 2.0, CrossFireX Ready, (Dual link) Dual DVI
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HIS Radeon HD 4850 Video Card - 512MB GDDR3, PCI Express 2.0, CrossFireX Ready, (Dual Link) Dual DVI, HDTV, HDMI Support, VGA Support 4 Users Rated





i hear that the q4 is a small o/c but has great benchmarks on that little bit of o/c.
 

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you'll definitely see a performance increase going from the 8600 up to that 4850.

but that pentiumD might hold your new 4850 back a little bit.

a better option is to get a cheap c2d (e5200 or e2200 whichever fits the budget, both are completely disposable till next year) and get a 4830 instead. it will require you to update your motherboard's bios though but its definitely worth it.

heres a few link to give you an idea.

4830
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131129

e2200
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116063
 

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One thing to keep in mind is that the 4850 as a high idle unless you manually turn up the fan. I have a Visiontek 4850 (visiontek offers a lifetime warranty)that idled at ~60 until i turned the fan up from the stock 20%. My card has the stock cooler which is a single slot so any card with a dual slot will cool the card quite a bit better. ATI designed the card to have a high idle temp so it's nothing to be alarmed about.
 

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yeah i was going to update my cpu to a core 2 duo and probably (leaning towards) the his radeon hd 4850 iceq4 turbo card. links to show
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4148896&CatId=3585

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2280512&CatId=2396

reason for the cpu is that it is a 4mb cache instead of 2mb as most the other ones at fab 1066mhz.
reason for the card is that the turbo is a good little clockable card. cant clock it too much but what you can = great benchmarks compared to others.so i hear.

next question is that will a ati card be completely compatible on my nvidia based mb with sli?
 

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i did notice that isnt that many mb's that are crossfire ready compared to sli. that is making me debate even more on what to get. i take it crossfire is a newer version of sli or competitor? i like the features of the sli boards but if the ati cards are better then im not sure.
 

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It's actually the other way around, you need a Nvidia chipset or X58 to run SLI. On the other hand many AMD and Intel chipsets can run crossfire.



It's basically ATI's version of it.
 

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yes i do realize that on the nvidia part. im a more less old nvidia die hard but i can not deny that ati cards are better then nvidia as of now. i really want ati cards but alot of mb's i noticed dont support crossfire. they mostly support sli. cant get a mb and crossfire two gp's unless the mb supports it correct?
see i want ati cards, intel cpu but i want a good mb that competes to the xfx 790i boards (that supports ati) just in case i decide to go and get another gp.
 

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I was in a similar debate when I put together my current system. I ended up with a Gigabyte x38 motherboard supporting crossfire and have 2 hd3870's in crossfire right now.

There are a lot fo good articles out there explaining the difference between the 2. In a direct head to head, sli tends to beat out crossfire, expecially with AA enabled. That being said, a particular game must be specifically coded to work with SLI, where crossfire will work with anything, just by the nature of how they both work.

Regardless of what you pick, just keep in mind, in 6 months, a faster, better card will come out for probably less money. So, don't wait too long, get something that will play the games you want and pull the trigger. At this point, make sure you get a chipset that supports pci-e 2.0 and has dual x16 pathways. That's about all the future proofing you can do at this point.
 

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no i did not look at that article. im new here so i have been around but i will read it. i also seen a qoute that said you need to really choose a card based on the games you play im not sure how you can do that? myself i like dead space crysis fear and on and on. so how can i choose a card good for that? i know i want the power and shaders high also the clock speed bumped up. that is my problem i guess. it depends on who you talk to on what you get in response. like i seen a guy say that the 9800gtx out performs the 4850 hands down but when you look at core speeds shaders and other specs. i dont see how it can. yeah i know it will be outdated in like 6months on most of them the way games and tech is now days but i want still a good pumper of a card for this year.
 
The 4850 outperforms the 9800GTX. That one is a fairly simple one.

Now, the 4870 vs the GTX 260 is closer, especially the 4870 1GB vs the GTX 260 core 216, and they are pretty much dead even in most titles.
 

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well i noticed that it was compared to the gtx+ and the specs are real close that is for sure.
tigerdirect has a video on bench mark compared on both cards but it doesnt use the card i was interested in on it.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3990171&CatId=3585
that is the video
card i was interested in was the his radeon hd 4850 iceq4 turbox that is the two im debating on right now.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4148896&CatId=3585

what is the stream processors on a card mean? that is the only big difference. nvidia is always lower then ati on that.
 

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Nvidia is definetly the future, not only is it easier to overclock, it is a lot more competitive for the price imo, has stereo 3d technology so you can play games in 3d like imax 3d, has physx for games that more and mor eutalize it like cryostasis and mirrors edge.
 

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^__________ LOL, your kidding right?

Nvidia has PhysX, AMD uses Havok, which is much more popular. Nvidia is not more competitive for the price, nor are their DX10 cards more "future proof" then AMDs DX10.1. They just came out with stereo, most of us lack the monitors to use it, and as reported, game play is less then good. I'm not saying AMDs are more "future proof", but they aren't behind like your trying to claim.
 

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Never compare number of shaders, clock or memory speed between cards that are not the same generation.

The only thing important is the performance they offer. Memory bandwidth and processing power might be an indicator.
You cannot compare radeon and geforce in terms of shaders, clock or memory. There are different architectures involved. They do pretty much the same thing using different methods.
In the end you are interested in what it can do not how it does it.
Just see which one achieves the highest most consistent framerate at an affordable price.

Read a few reviews and watch the frame rate charts.
You can find them all here and on other sites.
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/review/Components,1/Graphics-Cards,4/

Search benchmarks for
Radeon HD 4830, 4850, 4870, 4850x2, 4870x2
Nvidia 9800GTX, GTX 260, GTX 280, GTX 295

Decide which one of the cards offers you the best performance for what you can afford and buy it. You might want to read 2-3 reviews entirely, you will start to understand things a lot better. After that just check the frame rates, power consumption and price.

4830 < 9800GTX < 4850 < 4850 1GB < 4870 < 260 < 4870 1GB < 260 (216) < 280 < 4850x2 < 4870x2 < 295

Pick one card and then check all it's variations... for factory overclocks, cooling solutions, sound generated accessories and prices.
 

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i think thats a wrong assumption. Yes nvidia uses PhysX, but as of now AMD/ATI uses nothing for hardware physics acceleration. Havok runs on the CPU not on the GPU. So in effect NVIDIA can run Havok, too.



what'dya mean easier to overclock? both camps has already OC support from their drivers. both drivers will let you use a slider to increase or to decrease mem/core clock. i think i didnt even burn 5 calories doing that.