Question Ram recommendation

[P0tluck94]

I'm going to build a 5800x3d rig, it'll have a b550 aorus elite v2 mobo , I'm thinking I might take the risk and go with an aio but I'm scared about leaks, if I stay air cooler i want to get a noctua n15 chromax but was recommended a thermalright Peerless Assassin so im kinda in a pickle with that especially when it comes to ram and clearance, I was recommended t force but I've heard really horrible things about that brand with bsods and bricking motherboards, so im looking for advice on cl14 3600 mhz ram with good tight ram timings, I won't be messing with them like oc wise ill just enable xmp and be done, im not going rgb heavy so pretty lights aren't necessary or is the tforce a good brand? If its not a decent brand what brand would you recommend in is place that wouldn't have clearance issues (low profile I guess is what I'm asking) won't need low profile if I go with an aio but again im scared of leaks

 

[CountMike]

I'm going to build a 5800x3d rig, it'll have a b550 aorus elite v2 mobo , I'm thinking I might take the risk and go with an aio but I'm scared about leaks, if I stay air cooler i want to get a noctua n15 chromax but was recommended a thermalright Peerless Assassin so im kinda in a pickle with that especially when it comes to ram and clearance, I was recommended t force but I've heard really horrible things about that brand with bsods and bricking motherboards, so im looking for advice on cl14 3600 mhz ram with good tight ram timings, I won't be messing with them like oc wise ill just enable xmp and be done, im not going rgb heavy so pretty lights aren't necessary or is the tforce a good brand? If its not a decent brand what brand would you recommend in is place that wouldn't have clearance issues (low profile I guess is what I'm asking) won't need low profile if I go with an aio but again im scared of leaks

Don't be scared of leaks, with modern AIOs it's extremely, extremely rare and manufacturers offer warranty for an damage caused by leaks.

 

[P0tluck94]

Don't be scared of leaks, with modern AIOs it's extremely, extremely rare and manufacturers offer warranty for an damage caused by leaks.

What brand is reliable and true to their warranty covering damages from a leak? What size aio for the 5800x3d as far as radiator, also any advice on ram brand's for 3600 cl14,

i have a pc company trying to get me to go to a 7800x3d build but ddr5 isn't utilized much yet and ddr4 is still the way to go, plus the added heat in my room without ac, plus the issues with motherboards burning up the cpu and the mobo isn't worth the risk in my opinion what about yours?

i think I'm going to stick to the the 5800x3d, even though the build is only $960 without a hpu as i already have one

 

[CountMike]

What brand is reliable and true to their warranty covering damages from a leak? What size aio for the 5800x3d as far as radiator, also any advice on ram brand's for 3600 cl14,

i have a pc company trying to get me to go to a 7800x3d build but ddr5 isn't utilized much yet and ddr4 is still the way to go, plus the added heat in my room without ac, plus the issues with motherboards burning up the cpu and the mobo isn't worth the risk in my opinion what about yours?

i think I'm going to stick to the the 5800x3d, even though the build is only $960 without a hpu as i already have one

I've been with Arctic Liquid Freezer II AIO coolers for few years now, no regrets and certainly no leaks or any problems, pretty basic coolers but among best and cheapest. Right now using 360 AIO
All Ryzen CPU performance is based on temperature with certain limits on different generation. Best way to get all performance out of them is to cool them enough. Although it may seem high comparing to some other CPUs 5000 series don't loose any performance up to 95c but keeping it up to low 80s seems to work best. That's of course under extreme loads like in benchmark on all cores. in average games it should work up to mid 60s to low 70s.
5800x3d and all x3D are effective only at certain games while loosing a bit in games and SW that doesn't utilize more cache.
As far as DDR4 vs DDR5 goes, it's mot as much about RAM speed but also going to new generation which will be more expandable in future as opposed to dead end AM4. That's why. if you are building new system and can afford it, it would make more sense, it will be usable for longer time.
BTW. that issue with burning MB and CPU was not only rare but also connected to manual overclocking and has been solved since with new BIOS versions that limit voltage.

 

[ilukey77]

What brand is reliable and true to their warranty covering damages from a leak? What size aio for the 5800x3d as far as radiator, also any advice on ram brand's for 3600 cl14,

i have a pc company trying to get me to go to a 7800x3d build but ddr5 isn't utilized much yet and ddr4 is still the way to go, plus the added heat in my room without ac, plus the issues with motherboards burning up the cpu and the mobo isn't worth the risk in my opinion what about yours?

i think I'm going to stick to the the 5800x3d, even though the build is only $960 without a hpu as i already have one

stick with the 5800x3d for now with the 7800x3d issues its better to stay with the 5800x3d ..

I use a arctic freezer ii 360 on another build with the 5800x3d and 6900xt red devil and the cpu is super cool but a arctic 280mm will be fine..
arctic freezer ii is the best of the best price and performance (not the best looking though )

modern AIO's are great ive got like 6 of them cold plate and rad size are more of a issue than any leakage!!

the noctua nh d15 is a monster air cooler but leaves little room in some builds current pricing in AUS is about the same price as a arctic freezer ii 360mm ( non rgb is even cheaper ) and will destroy the noctua for cooling !!

3600 cl16 is the frankly the smarter option for ram.. 3600 cl14 is the best but its hard to find and super expensive for little gain over cl 16 .. i stick with 32gb these days over 16gb as most of my builds now are itx or M-atx i usually go 2x16gb

 

[P0tluck94]

I've been with Arctic Liquid Freezer II AIO coolers for few years now, no regrets and certainly no leaks or any problems, pretty basic coolers but among best and cheapest. Right now using 360 AIO
All Ryzen CPU performance is based on temperature with certain limits on different generation. Best way to get all performance out of them is to cool them enough. Although it may seem high comparing to some other CPUs 5000 series don't loose any performance up to 95c but keeping it up to low 80s seems to work best. That's of course under extreme loads like in benchmark on all cores. in average games it should work up to mid 60s to low 70s.
5800x3d and all x3D are effective only at certain games while loosing a bit in games and SW that doesn't utilize more cache.
As far as DDR4 vs DDR5 goes, it's mot as much about RAM speed but also going to new generation which will be more expandable in future as opposed to dead end AM4. That's why. if you are building new system and can afford it, it would make more sense, it will be usable for longer time.
BTW. that issue with burning MB and CPU was not only rare but also connected to manual overclocking and has been solved since with new BIOS versions that limit voltage.

I have seen alot of those coolers on builds when browsing through twitter/tiktok it'll just have to special order it for the company building this fit me as i don't know how, when I mentioned ddr5 i was just referring to its new so many things don't utilize it (games,apps,programs etc) and is $100 dollars cheaper than ddr4 so I'd save money by going to am5 but everything else is more expensive, so in the long run I don't save as a whole , the tower they want to build for me that's the 7800x3d isn't impressive for $940 , comes with a $80 dollar case, a deepcool aio that's 240 mm,no storage just the nvme for the os, has a good cpu/motherboard but that's about it, I thought it was $960 its $940 , I don't know many things about pcs anymore I used to until I had my stroke now I can't remember my name some days😀😀.

 

[CountMike]

I have seen alot of those coolers on builds when browsing through twitter/tiktok it'll just have to special order it for the company building this fit me as i don't know how, when I mentioned ddr5 i was just referring to its new so many things don't utilize it (games,apps,programs etc) and is $100 dollars cheaper than ddr4 so I'd save money by going to am5 but everything else is more expensive, so in the long run I don't save as a whole , the tower they want to build for me that's the 7800x3d isn't impressive for $940 , comes with a $80 dollar case, a deepcool aio that's 240 mm,no storage just the nvme for the os, has a good cpu/motherboard but that's about it, I thought it was $960 its $940 , I don't know many things about pcs anymore I used to until I had my stroke now I can't remember my name some days😀😀.

There's nothing special about DDR5 or DDR4, games don't care which type it is just the performance but that's not universal some more some less, same goes for Cl and other values. Main reason is platform which could be expanded and upgraded at later time and be actual longer. 7800x3D is also tangibly better than 5800x3D so there's also a gain.
There's also option for 7600x3D which should be cheaper but practically same in games yet still be a newest platform.
5800x3D i would recommend only in case only CPU is upgraded from 2nd or 3rd gen Ryzen but staying with everything else.

 

[P0tluck94]

stick with the 5800x3d for now with the 7800x3d issues its better to stay with the 5800x3d ..

I use a arctic freezer ii 360 on another build with the 5800x3d and 6900xt red devil and the cpu is super cool but a arctic 280mm will be fine..
arctic freezer ii is the best of the best price and performance (not the best looking though )

modern AIO's are great ive got like 6 of them cold plate and rad size are more of a issue than any leakage!!

the noctua nh d15 is a monster air cooler but leaves little room in some builds current pricing in AUS is about the same price as a arctic freezer ii 360mm ( non rgb is even cheaper ) and will destroy the noctua for cooling !!

3600 cl16 is the frankly the smarter option for ram.. 3600 cl14 is the best but its hard to find and super expensive for little gain over cl 16 .. i stick with 32gb these days over 16gb as most of my builds now are itx or M-atx i usually go 2x16gb

As I mentioned to countmike I have seen those coolers alot when browsing builds on Twitter and tiktok, with the company im going through I'll have to special order it they only have deepcool, i want to make sure the cpu stays chilly I just am petrified of a leak/pump failures, cl14 is almost double what cl16 and not many manufacturers have it so ill stick to cl16 which will cut alot off the price, I'm not an overclocker or a high end competitor i just want to make sure this build is going to last me and that I'll get the best performance/ lifespan possible, with my current pc (r5 3600,3060 ti,3200 cl16 ram )I have no idea why but it runs games not horrible but not what I think it should run them at either like i have to run pretty much every game on low settings or the frames
are horrible and the game stutter/lags,all i can come down with is its the cpu, as I mentioned my cpu is at 75% but the gpu is at 9% in wz , in wow cpu is at 50% gpu at 1% the cpu is always way higher than the gpu in every game

so while i have down time from having surgery I feel the its the best time to get things upgraded.

I don't want my room to be a hot box with the new am5 chips that run at 95° I don't have ac as it is, i don't want to take that risk of electrical issues they have even though they say they've corrected them, I knew I souks go to the new platform but I don't trust the bugs yet where the 5800x3d is proven, and with cooling the cpu the am4 you have now options I believe again im not sure.

 

[P0tluck94]

There's nothing special about DDR5 or DDR4, games don't care which type it is just the performance but that's not universal some more some less, same goes for Cl and other values. Main reason is platform which could be expanded and upgraded at later time and be actual longer. 7800x3D is also tangibly better than 5800x3D so there's also a gain.
There's also option for 7600x3D which should be cheaper but practically same in games yet still be a newest platform.
5800x3D i would recommend only in case only CPU is upgraded from 2nd or 3rd gen Ryzen but staying with everything else.

I'm upgrading from a r5 3600 which runs games horrible and I don't have no idea why I've done every tweak setting,upgrade,configuration,reinstalled windows to nothing works, in games my cpu is at 80% while the gpu is at 9% so the cpu is bottlenecked I think that's what that means.


I also don't have ac and the new am5 chips run extremely hot so my room would get hotter than it already does, again I don't know if that will heat up my room more than this pc i have currently but i do know this current pc heats things up quite a bit.


The 7800x3d build they showed me, if i was to do it right with the correct case, correct aio size, correct psu, better ram better psu and add 4tb storage which the 5800x3d build has the 7800x3d build without a gpu would be not $940 but around $1500-$1600 the 5900x3d build without a gpu is $1200 with 4 tb extra storage not including the OS drive so 5tb

i know I should go with the new am5 I just don't trust it yet and the 5800x3d is proven and will be good for years to come but hopefully after a few years I'll Have the money to go all out on a new build with a 40's series card I just cant right now, i think going to a 7800x3d I would run into the gpu being bottlenecked which i definitely can't afford to replace right now, again not sure about the bottleneck issue

What's the lifespan on a aio pump do you know off hand? As far as the ram question I was more concerned with brand's as people keep recommending tforce but I've seem alot of bad reviews

another thing that worries me about going to am5 is you have to run an aio for those chips (or that's whats recommended, you can run a noctua chromax black) and I don't know how long an aio lasts

 

[CountMike]

I'm upgrading from a r5 3600 which runs games horrible and I don't have no idea why I've done every tweak setting,upgrade,configuration,reinstalled windows to nothing works, in games my cpu is at 80% while the gpu is at 9% so the cpu is bottlenecked I think that's what that means.


I also don't have ac and the new am5 chips run extremely hot so my room would get hotter than it already does, again I don't know if that will heat up my room more than this pc i have currently but i do know this current pc heats things up quite a bit.


The 7800x3d build they showed me, if i was to do it right with the correct case, correct aio size, correct psu, better ram better psu and add 4tb storage which the 5800x3d build has the 7800x3d build without a gpu would be not $940 but around $1500-$1600 the 5900x3d build without a gpu is $1200 with 4 tb extra storage not including the OS drive so 5tb

i know I should go with the new am5 I just don't trust it yet and the 5800x3d is proven and will be good for years to come but hopefully after a few years I'll Have the money to go all out on a new build with a 40's series card I just cant right now, i think going to a 7800x3d I would run into the gpu being bottlenecked which i definitely can't afford to replace right now, again not sure about the bottleneck issue

What's the lifespan on a aio pump do you know off hand? As far as the ram question I was more concerned with brand's as people keep recommending tforce but I've seem alot of bad reviews

another thing that worries me about going to am5 is you have to run an aio for those chips (or that's whats recommended, you can run a noctua chromax black) and I don't know how long an aio lasts

Life span is about length of warranty and some over, Arctic gives 6 years now so that's some minimum. Even if only 6 years is quite long time and then there would be something better or you'd need a different one.
Chips for RAM are made by just few companies so most makes and models are just using those and pack with different heat sinks and call them some fancy names. You cab glean more about RAM if you know which chips are used, Most famous are for instance Samsung a and b-die, Hynix a-die, worst m-die. They are also binned like CPUs etc. It gets too complicated and less important if used as it is by their XMP and without further overclocking. They all have to comply with JEDEC standards to be compatible and there's also influence of particular BIOS and memory controller integrated in CPU.

 

[P0tluck94]

Life span is about length of warranty and some over, Arctic gives 6 years now so that's some minimum. Even if only 6 years is quite long time and then there would be something better or you'd need a different one.
Chips for RAM are made by just few companies so most makes and models are just using those and pack with different heat sinks and call them some fancy names. You cab glean more about RAM if you know which chips are used, Most famous are for instance Samsung a and b-die, Hynix a-die, worst m-die. They are also binned like CPUs etc. It gets too complicated and less important if used as it is by their XMP and without further overclocking. They all have to comply with JEDEC standards to be compatible and there's also influence of particular BIOS and memory controller integrated in CPU.

Yeah I've told them i only want b-die for ram, I read an article yesterday where they said anything 3600+ mhz is automatically b-die but I don't know if that's true, I do know b- die is the best from watching tuning videos i thought i got b-die when i upgraded ram but it's not ( trident neo 3200 cl16) it's hynix from what researching show, also the program thaiphooon burner doesn't say b-die either, I do know the ram wasn't cheap it was $250 for 32 gigs this was a bit over a year ago, awesome to hear the aio has a good warranty that makes it easier on my anxiety ol

 

[P0tluck94]

How's this look, the ram is mushkin redline

https://imgur.com/a/Q2uKwIF

View: https://imgur.com/a/Q2uKwIF

 

[CountMike]

How's this look, the ram is mushkin redline

https://imgur.com/a/Q2uKwIF

View: https://imgur.com/a/Q2uKwIF

No not all 3600 Cl16 are b-die at least not first class B-die. Maybe most with Cl14 ??
That Mushkim looks good.

 

[P0tluck94]

No not all 3600 Cl16 are b-die at least not first class B-die. Maybe most with Cl14 ??
That Mushkim looks good.

I went through with it but yikes at all the hidden fees, I could of gotten a pc with a gpu for as much as I paid without one lol luckily I got pre approved for a bit of the costs its not all out of pocket

 

[CountMike]

I went through with it but yikes at all the hidden fees, I could of gotten a pc with a gpu for as much as I paid without one lol luckily I got pre approved for a bit of the costs its not all out of pocket

Where did you get them from ?

 

[P0tluck94]

Where did you get them from ?

Get what from? the pc? Is not their fault it was the hidden fees for shipping, insurance etc so I'd rather not say, they are a great company I just wasn't fuguring in taxes, shipping etc etc

 

[ilukey77]

As I mentioned to countmike I have seen those coolers alot when browsing builds on Twitter and tiktok, with the company im going through I'll have to special order it they only have deepcool, i want to make sure the cpu stays chilly I just am petrified of a leak/pump failures, cl14 is almost double what cl16 and not many manufacturers have it so ill stick to cl16 which will cut alot off the price, I'm not an overclocker or a high end competitor i just want to make sure this build is going to last me and that I'll get the best performance/ lifespan possible, with my current pc (r5 3600,3060 ti,3200 cl16 ram )I have no idea why but it runs games not horrible but not what I think it should run them at either like i have to run pretty much every game on low settings or the frames
are horrible and the game stutter/lags,all i can come down with is its the cpu, as I mentioned my cpu is at 75% but the gpu is at 9% in wz , in wow cpu is at 50% gpu at 1% the cpu is always way higher than the gpu in every game

so while i have down time from having surgery I feel the its the best time to get things upgraded.

I don't want my room to be a hot box with the new am5 chips that run at 95° I don't have ac as it is, i don't want to take that risk of electrical issues they have even though they say they've corrected them, I knew I souks go to the new platform but I don't trust the bugs yet where the 5800x3d is proven, and with cooling the cpu the am4 you have now options I believe again im not sure.

what make Arctic freezer very good is the offset cooler mounting on AM4/ works for AM5 to !
It puts the pump header/cold plate directly over the hottest part of the CPUso there is a proven drop in temps even if by a few degrees !

As for the zen 4 cpus the 7800x3d i know for sure is a super cool cpu in fact with my 7600x and 420mm
( basically slap cpu in 420mm on and test it ) would not go past 85c and the 7800x3d will not go past 76c both running cinebench r23 multi core ..

7700 non x i think would be the cpu to go for price performance and the 7800x3d but still expensive and has issues !!

A 7700 non x with a 280mm ( 360mm even better ) would be perfectly fine if AM5 is a choice still but once again a 5800x3d is a great cpu no doubt !!

from memory as while im writing this ive got to stuff around to fire up my 5800x3d and 6900xt with the arctic freezer ii 360 i think i was getting 75c max r23 multi core !!

remember while gaming at 1440p or 4k cpu usage is from maybe 50% to only a few % with 4k so obviously temps will be lower anyway !!

 

[P0tluck94]

what make Arctic freezer very good is the offset cooler mounting on AM4/ works for AM5 to !
It puts the pump header/cold plate directly over the hottest part of the CPUso there is a proven drop in temps even if by a few degrees !

As for the zen 4 cpus the 7800x3d i know for sure is a super cool cpu in fact with my 7600x and 420mm
( basically slap cpu in 420mm on and test it ) would not go past 85c and the 7800x3d will not go past 76c both running cinebench r23 multi core ..

7700 non x i think would be the cpu to go for price performance and the 7800x3d but still expensive and has issues !!

A 7700 non x with a 280mm ( 360mm even better ) would be perfectly fine if AM5 is a choice still but once again a 5800x3d is a great cpu no doubt !!

from memory as while im writing this ive got to stuff around to fire up my 5800x3d and 6900xt with the arctic freezer ii 360 i think i was getting 75c max r23 multi core !!

remember while gaming at 1440p or 4k cpu usage is from maybe 50% to only a few % with 4k so obviously temps will be lower anyway !!

I pulled the string and got the build ordered, it was a pretty pricey, way way more than I wanted especially without a gpu, but I did get pre qualified for $1100 of it so that helped so it wasn't all out of pocket at once, I make payments on the other $1100 , the pc was $1750 then tax, shipping,processing which brought it to $2051 then the financing apr% 😳