Reasons not to Buy a Radion SE please

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Hi there...I know the information is in here somewhere...but its a lot of looking around for it, and i'd like to have it all summed up in one place...

OK NOT THAT DETAILED, just a good summery thats all

Its been a while since i have been in here...

<b>Can someone please give me a Price Perfomace ratio on the 9600SE, 9600, 9600Pro, and perhaps the 9600XT...</b>

and possibly some Price comparisons to the next best thing on the Nvidia side...how would the 4200 Ti compair? or are there any 5000's that are with in the 9600 price range worth mentioning

Budget plays an important role here


thanks

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You'll have to look up the prices. As for performance:
9600SE=1/2 9600
9600=2/3 9600 Pro
9600 Pro=7/8 9600XT.

I've done comparison shopping a few times, the 9600 Pro always gave the most bang for the bucks.

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I have just been looking at the anandtech site that has a review on the low buget cards... they have the SE doing, well against all the other low budget cards.

However its very scetchy, and takes big hits here and there...

The 5200 Gforce FX 5200 Ultra does beat it out from time to time and for the most part its always behind the GF4 4200 Ti, and often by alot...unfortunalty they did not include the 9600np and that was the card i was realy looking more for to compair.

Is there anywhere else that i can go to see a comparison of the 9600SE to the 9600np...along with some others perhaps.

i know the 9600 Pro is where the Bang for the buck is but it may be out of the price range. I am certain that the 9600np is not just better, but much better. as you say 9600SE=1/2 9600, but at what cost.

i would like to be able to provide some evidence for that if i could. on this 9600SE=1/2 9600...have any links?

thanks

BTW what card had the reputation of being called the dust buster?

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I think the fan had three settings; 'industrial fan', 'weed-eater', and 'helicopter'


Glad I didn't have it. I'd hate to have had to come home and use holy water on my flying case. There's only so many times you can shout "THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU!" before you come off sounding like an idiot. :p

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Wait, someone here said you already have a 9500 Pro? 9500 Pro is clocked slower than 9600 Pro, but has 8 pipelines. The RAM is probably a bit slower, but the 9500 Pro is still a slightly more powerfull card.

OK, the 9600SE has a 64-bit memory bus, if I recall correctly. The 9600 has a 128-bit bus. I can qualify the 9600 is 2/3 a 9600 Pro because I tested one. But wait, my 9600 Pro is an All In Wonder, with slightly faster RAM. Close enough!

Why do I say close enough? The 9600 is clocked at 300/200 (DDR400). The 9600 Pro is clocked at 400/300 (DDR600). 3/4 the VPU speed but 2/3 the RAM speed.

Also the 9600 non-pro can't be overclocked with modern drivers installed. The 9600np I tested came with 250MHz (DDR500) RAM clocked at 200MHz, and the driver resets the clock when you overclock. There's a patch for the driver, but it's really tough to make it work, I had no luck at all.

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Yea i have the 9500 Pro, got me one just after they stopped making them :)

this is not for me though...

the 9600SE does have a 64-bit memory bus. but was not sure of the 9600np...so thats one thing that will make a major differance.. but do you know the what the Speeds and RAM are for the SE?

OK so to sum up what we have so far:

9500's = 8 Pipes
9600's = 4 Pipes
9700's = 8 Pipes

SE = 64Bit
np = 128Bit
Pro = 128Bit +
XT = 128Bit ++

<b>9600SE</b>
Mem-Bus = 64Bit
Speeds = /
Ram =

<b>9600</b>
Mem-Bus = 128Bit
Speeds = 300/200
Ram = DDR400

<b>9600Pro</b>
Mem-Bus = 128Bit
Speeds = 400/300
Ram = DDR600

ATi says a little bit differntly <A HREF="http://www.ati.com/products/radeon9600/radeon9600pro/compare.html" target="_new">here.</A>

however...in am sceptic about Home sites... so what other then the Mem bus would be differant?

RAM type?

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ATI says 325 core, I say 300, I had a Saphire card so perhaps that's the difference. Anyway, 64-bit is 1/2 128-bit, ATI says the memory speed is the same and I can't think of any good reason to use slower than 5ns RAM, so...

Just look at Anandtech, they have a 9600SE review, shows the card is faster than a 9200SE but not always as fast as a stock 9200!

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Not to be nitpicky, but I doubt the 9600SE is only 7/24 of a 9600XT! I actually didn't go look up the performances, so you probably are right, but 7/24ths seems awfully low. Maybe 9600SE=2/3 9600 is better (9600SE=7/16 9600XT).

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Perhaps 9600SE IS 2/3 the 9600, but memory bandwidth is only 1/2, and memory bandwidth is the biggest handicap on these cards.

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Yeah, but it's not the sole thing performance is based off. Regardless, I would never recommend an SE because of its heavily reduced bandwidth.

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Anything below a 9600Pro or a 5700Ultra is a waste of money and will leave you feeling uninspired.

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No, Ti4200 included. If you have to buy a new card, I would save up more money before purchasing one of those.

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Get the 9600 pro. SE are to sh!tty and the XT is too expensive for the same for pro.

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Hey man, you will not have a significant upgrade in your computer by just changing a Radeon 9500Pro with a 9600SE or 9600. Try to get a 9700Pro or a 9600XT wich is capable of great overclockings. Or if you want something from NVidia try the FX5900SE wich is also capable of very good overclockings
 

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I think the fan had three settings; 'industrial fan', 'weed-eater', and 'helicopter'


Glad I didn't have it. I'd hate to have had to come home and use holy water on my flying case. There's only so many times you can shout "THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU!" before you come off sounding like an idiot. :p



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DUDE you have a 9500pro?


your card is better than any 9600.. maybe on par with the 9600xt at times, but overall your card is superior to those

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You actually won't see any upgrade (downgrade as a matter of fact). Heck, 9500Pro to 9600XT isn't much of an upgrade until you get into newer games!

Other than that your post was pretty irrelevant, we weren't talking about 9500Pros, upgrading from them, or even OCing anything...

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Heck, 9500Pro to 9600XT isn't much of an upgrade until you get into newer games!
Huh?....your confused. A 9500P is an 8 pipe card, with an R300(9700) core. How are newer games going to make the 9600XT an upgrade in comparison?


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I saw a bench with 9500Pro vs. 9600XT in Halo, NFS:U and other newer games...9600XT won.

Give me a few minutes to find it.

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Here it is: <A HREF="http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTU2LDM=" target="_new">http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTU2LDM=</A>. XT wins slightly in all but AOD and Halo (other newer games are included, but those two are the most demanding). Only the most demanding games are won by the 9500Pro, where 8 pipes beat the higher clockspeeds.

I guess I wasn't so confused afterall.

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As i said above this not an upgrade for me, this is for another machine altogether... not mine. some else is buying 2 cards...

I just wanted to provide sufficiant reason to get the 9600np over the 9600SE

I am VERY happy with my 9500Pro! and won't be trading it for anthing! it is better, on par, and rarly beaten by the 9600XT...

think that it might actully be one of those rare items that will depresiate slower than any other card.. simply because of its rarity... so i'll be waiting for the right time to upgrade that...guessing a year or so.

I guess now what i need to find out realy is what the price's are for the SE and non pro are where his supplier is.

Thanks for all the help everyone!

I'll post again to sum evrything up in a bit...


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