[SOLVED] Recommend a TPM for my motherboard ?

[Co BIY]

After reading up about Windows 11 and the requirements for a TPM. I am interested in the possibility of putting one on my system.

Luckily my Asrock Extreme 4 Z97 has a TPM header. I'm still satisfied with the performance of my 4790k so I'd rather upgrade than get a whole new system.

I understand their may be little advantage in immediately getting my system ready for Windows 11 which I probably don't need anyway but if I want to :

What do I buy and what is the process of installing ?

Any advantages now ? (pre-Windows 11)

Any downsides now ?

Can I take my "TPM chip" to my next machine ?

Where to buy?

 

[Colif]

I don't know if I would buy one now until MS confirm its going to be a requirement.

We are assuming they will remove it as it leaves a lot of PC that can run win 10 without a future after 2025

 

[mikewinddale]

Most TPMs are proprietary. So you probably need an ASRock TPM to go with your ASRock motherboard.

Check your motherboard manual to see if it lists a specific model of TPM. If it doesn't, then count the number of pins on the TPM header, and buy an ASRock-branded TPM with the same number of pins.

As for where . . . usually, Newegg, Amazon, and shopping.google.com. But right now, demand for TPMs has skyrocketed, so they're all either out-of-stock, or else inflated in price several-fold.

 

[navalweaponsofficer]

Most TPMs are proprietary. So you probably need an ASRock TPM to go with your ASRock motherboard.

Check your motherboard manual to see if it lists a specific model of TPM. If it doesn't, then count the number of pins on the TPM header, and buy an ASRock-branded TPM with the same number of pins.

As for where . . . usually, Newegg, Amazon, and shopping.google.com. But right now, demand for TPMs has skyrocketed, so they're all either out-of-stock, or else inflated in price several-fold.

The hard floor has been removed and the old soft floor is now the hard floor (at least for now). Meaning Win 11 will not support your 4790k on the intel side it currently only supports core 8th gen and up. Additionally, you may already have TPM 2.0 in the CPU, it was introduced with 4th gen but not all 4th gen seem to have it or there are no options for it in the BIOS/UEFI. you can check in your BIOS/UEFI for intel PTT and enable it your TPM will then show up in the device manager. We can only wait and see what happens with chip support for 7th gen and older.

 

[Colif]

The only 4th gen cpu with tpm in them are laptop & mobile device chips, U & Y chips (see 6.42 minute mark in video) so that is not going to help him.

 

[navalweaponsofficer]

The only 4th gen cpu with tpm in them are laptop & mobile device chips, U & Y chips (see 6.42 minute mark in video) so that is not going to help him.

I did say that not all 4th Gen seem to have TPM 2.0. Additionally, until the something less than Core 8th gen is supported purchasing a TPM for his TPM header is a waste. That is unless he wants to encrypt his existing system, but you can currently do that without TPM by putting your Keys on a USB drive and changing group policy.

 

[Joseph_138]

There are different types of TPM headers, and each motherboard maker has their own TPM modules. Portability of modules from one motherboard to another may be an issue.

If you're on Intel, you have to be on 8th gen or higher. Give it a while before you start panicking, though. You know how things are, whenever someone tells people that something be done, someone figures out a way to do it. I'm sure there are already hackers hard at work formulating a plan for making 11 run on unsupported hardware like there are for OS X.

 

[Co BIY]

Thanks all.

ASrock appears to make a TPM module but I could not actually find it for sale anywhere.

Looks like for z97 boards only TPM1.2 is supported.

I am a long way from panicking. I am hoping my 4790k system will be able to make the upgrade because my i3-2120 is near what even I consider EOL and I don't want to be replacing two systems.

 

[USAFRet]

I am hoping my 4790k system will be able to make the upgrade because

Currently, the CPU requirements are 8th Gen or newer.

Don't even think about buying a TPM module for your 4790k, just for Win 11.

 

[Joseph_138]

Thanks all.

ASrock appears to make a TPM module but I could not actually find it for sale anywhere.

Looks like for z97 boards only TPM1.2 is supported.

I am a long way from panicking. I am hoping my 4790k system will be able to make the upgrade because my i3-2120 is near what even I consider EOL and I don't want to be replacing two systems.

If your board only supports TPM 1.2, you're out of luck. TPM 2.0 is a hard requirement. Also, 8th gen Intel is the minimum at this time, though that could change, but I don't see them downgrading or eliminating the TPM 2.0 requirement.

 

[RileyXX]

I know I'm a few months late to this thread but I wanted to chime in here after doing a lot of digging. Your motherboard is TPM 2.0 compatible. I'm in the same boat as you. I have an i7 4790 which is still a great cpu but doesn't have "Intel Platform Trust Technology" or TPM technology so can't upgrade to Windows 11. BUT I also have a z97 extreme 4 motherboard which has a TPM header on it. For the extreme 4 z97 mobo all you need to do is buy an 18 pin TPM2-S header. S standing for 18 pin and 2 standing for TPM 2.0. (This actually comes out to 17 pins with one pin missing). You will also need to flash your bios to the latest beta version (P2.06 which adds TPM 2.0 compatibility). You can get that here: https://www.asrock.com/mb/intel/z97 extreme4/#BIOS. All you need to look for is TPM 2.0 compatibility and 18 pins and then obviously find one with a design that won't physically get in the way of your CPU cooler or GPU (they are relatively small so it shouldn't be a problem but you should check anyways before buying one). On the z97 mobo the TPMS1 header is around the center of the motherboard. Once you do all that windows will recognize your system as compatible with Windows 11. This should apply to ALL CPU's, as long as your motherboard has a TPM header and your BIOS supports TPM 2.0 functionality then you should be good. Just simply count the amount of pins on your TPM header then buy one with the correct pin orientation. Usually they range anywhere from 14-20 pins. Right now TPM modules are flying off the shelves because of the windows 11 TPM 2.0 requirement so they're out of stock almost everywhere but if you look hard enough you can find cheap ones on ebay or aliexpress. I ended up getting a cheap one from ebay for $15 and it took about 3 weeks to come in the mail.

Links to some TPM 2.0 modules that would work with the z97 extreme 4 mobo:
https://www.amazon.com/ASRock-TPM2-S-Module-Motherboard-V2-0/dp/B06XPR5943

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[joeldf]

I know I'm a few months late to this thread but I wanted to chime in here after doing a lot of digging. Your motherboard is TPM 2.0 compatible. I'm in the same boat as you. I have an i7 4790 which is still a great cpu but doesn't have "Intel Platform Trust Technology" or TPM technology so can't upgrade to Windows 11. BUT I also have a z97 extreme 4 motherboard which has a TPM header on it. For the extreme 4 z97 mobo all you need to do is buy an 18 pin TPM2-S header. S standing for 18 pin and 2 standing for TPM 2.0. (This actually comes out to 17 pins with one pin missing). You will also need to flash your bios to the latest beta version (P2.06 which adds TPM 2.0 compatibility). You can get that here: https://www.asrock.com/mb/intel/z97 extreme4/#BIOS. All you need to look for is TPM 2.0 compatibility and 18 pins and then obviously find one with a design that won't physically get in the way of your CPU cooler or GPU (they are relatively small so it shouldn't be a problem but you should check anyways before buying one). On the z97 mobo the TPMS1 header is around the center of the motherboard. Once you do all that windows will recognize your system as compatible with Windows 11. This should apply to ALL CPU's, as long as your motherboard has a TPM header and your BIOS supports TPM 2.0 functionality then you should be good. Just simply count the amount of pins on your TPM header then buy one with the correct pin orientation. Usually they range anywhere from 14-20 pins. Right now TPM modules are flying off the shelves because of the windows 11 TPM 2.0 requirement so they're out of stock almost everywhere but if you look hard enough you can find cheap ones on ebay or aliexpress. I ended up getting a cheap one from ebay for $15 and it took about 3 weeks to come in the mail.

Okay, but how do you get past the hard limit of the 4th Gen Intel Core not being supported at all? Win 11 will balk at that.

It's not either/or.

It's all or nothing.

You need TPM (firmware or physical module) AND an 8th gen Core or newer (for Intel-based machines). With some specific X-series 7th gens added for good measure.

 

[Endre]

After reading up about Windows 11 and the requirements for a TPM. I am interested in the possibility of putting one on my system.

Luckily my Asrock Extreme 4 Z97 has a TPM header. I'm still satisfied with the performance of my 4790k so I'd rather upgrade than get a whole new system.

I understand their may be little advantage in immediately getting my system ready for Windows 11 which I probably don't need anyway but if I want to :

What do I buy and what is the process of installing ?

Any advantages now ? (pre-Windows 11)

Any downsides now ?

Can I take my "TPM chip" to my next machine ?

Where to buy?

Hello!

Unfortunately, your CPU isn’t supported. Only Intel 8th Gen and newer, or AMD Zen 2 and newer, are supported.

You don’t lose anything by sticking with Win10 for now (until 2025).

Advice:
I’d replace that PC pretty soon, because nobody will buy it from you in 2025 when it will be unsupported by Microsoft!