[SOLVED] Recommended Memory timings for Team Group Dark Z FPS 16GB DDR4-4000 CL16 ?

[tids2k]

Just bought this B-die kit on Amazon and looking to overclock this kit. This kit has been tested by Tom's Hardware team and just wondering if any mods can share their recommended memory OC settings.

Module Type 288 Pin Unbuffered DIMM Non ECC
Frequency 4000
Latency CL16-18-18-38
Capacity 8GBx2

Zen-timings: Stock

https://ibb.co/RvN53hF ( Mods Unable to add photo directly )

Zen-timings: OC ( Required )


My Config :

AMD 5800x OC @ 4.6Mhz
Gigabyte X570 Aorus Master V.12 ( Bios v.F33 )
Corsair 750 Watt Power Supply
Windows 10 20H1
Noctua NH-D15

If somebody could help ?

 

[CountMike]

Just bought this B-die kit on Amazon and looking to overclock this kit. This kit has been tested by Tom's Hardware team and just wondering if any mods can share their recommended memory OC settings.

Module Type 288 Pin Unbuffered DIMM Non ECC
Frequency 4000
Latency CL16-18-18-38
Capacity 8GBx2

Zen-timings: Stock

https://ibb.co/RvN53hF ( Mods Unable to add photo directly )

Zen-timings: OC ( Required )


My Config :

AMD 5800x OC @ 4.6Mhz
Gigabyte X570 Aorus Master V.12 ( Bios v.F33 )
Corsair 750 Watt Power Supply
Windows 10 20H1
Noctua NH-D15

If somebody could help ?

Doesn't XMP work ?
If Zen- timing shows actual settings, it's more than fine.

 

[tids2k]

Doesn't XMP work ?
If Zen- timing shows actual settings, it's more than fine.

Hi @CountMike ,

Thank you for your reply.
Those are base frequencies. But I am looking to overclock this kit.

Just wanted to know what zen timings can be used to overclock this kit on an AMD platform.
Noting that an Intel build was used for reviewing this kit.

Regards.

 

[MeanMachine41]

Just bought this B-die kit on Amazon and looking to overclock this kit. This kit has been tested by Tom's Hardware team and just wondering if any mods can share their recommended memory OC settings.

Module Type 288 Pin Unbuffered DIMM Non ECC
Frequency 4000
Latency CL16-18-18-38
Capacity 8GBx2

Zen-timings: Stock

https://ibb.co/RvN53hF ( Mods Unable to add photo directly )

Zen-timings: OC ( Required )


My Config :

AMD 5800x OC @ 4.6Mhz
Gigabyte X570 Aorus Master V.12 ( Bios v.F33 )
Corsair 750 Watt Power Supply
Windows 10 20H1
Noctua NH-D15

If somebody could help ?

There would not be an XMP Profile for 4000Mhz and your 5800x officially supports up to 3200Mhz OC RAM. if you try to overclock to 4000Mhz it would result in an OC failure due to limitations of the CPU's IMC.
As that kit would be quite expensive, return what you have and get a kit at the frequency your MB and CPU supports and chosen from the MB QVL.

 

[tids2k]

There would not be an XMP Profile for 4000Mhz and your 5800x officially supports up to 3200Mhz OC RAM. if you try to overclock to 4000Mhz it would result in an OC failure due to limitations of the CPU's IMC.
As that kit would be quite expensive, return what you have and get a kit at the frequency your MB and CPU supports and chosen from the MB QVL.

Hello @MeanMachine41,

As from my previous comments, my CPU is currently OC'd at 4.6 Mhz . With the RAM XMP, i am currently running it at stock 4000Mhz 16-18-18-38 and had no issues. All I wanted to know was what ram timings should i start Oc'ing this kit with. I saw a review on tom's hardware and noted that this kit was intensively tested and the review confirms this RAM kit can definaltely OC. So not sure if you are getting my point ..

 

[MeanMachine41]

OH I think I know what your point is.
How do you know what frequency your RAM is running at? CPUz or Bios

Tom's may have tested RAM and determined them to be Overclockable and although your MB supports up to 4000Mhz the IMC on your CHIP may not.

You can try increasing in Bios from 3200Mhz your timings and voltage however there is no guarantee you will reach the rated frequency of your RAM.
You can also try the Dram calculator to try for a stable set of SPD timings and voltage. No two systems are the same so trial and error is the way.

 

[mamasan2000]

OH I think I know what your point is.
How do you know what frequency your RAM is running at? CPUz or Bios

Tom's may have tested RAM and determined them to be Overclockable and although your MB supports up to 4000Mhz the IMC on your CHIP may not.

You can try increasing in Bios from 3200Mhz your timings and voltage however there is no guarantee you will reach the rated frequency of your RAM.
You can also try the Dram calculator to try for a stable set of SPD timings and voltage. No two systems are the same so trial and error is the way.

Depends on IMC. Some reach 1900 Mhz, others 2200 Mhz on the F-clock. But yeah, 1:1 ratio is still the best. 3600-3800 Mhz is doable on all Ryzen 5000-series CPUs.
Intel 11900k also only supports 3200 Mhz but everyone knows that's not the top-end. That's the bottom-end.

Ram overclocking is very time-consuming. And there is always variation from 1 kit to the next. You can't copy anyone elses settings. You gotta find your own.

Some guides:
https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/wiki/ram/general

MemTestHelper/DDR4 OC Guide.md at master · integralfx/MemTestHelper

C# WPF to automate HCI MemTest. Contribute to integralfx/MemTestHelper development by creating an account on GitHub.

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AMD Ryzen Memory Tweaking & Overclocking Guide

Memory overclocking has a significant impact on performance of AMD Ryzen-powered machines, but the alleged complexity of memory tweaking on this platform, largely fueled by misinformation and lack of documentation, has kept some enthusiasts away from it. We want to change this.

www.techpowerup.com

Have fun!

 

[MeanMachine41]

Depends on IMC. Some reach 1900 Mhz, others 2200 Mhz on the F-clock. But yeah, 1:1 ratio is still the best. 3600-3800 Mhz is doable on all Ryzen 5000-series CPUs.
Intel 11900k also only supports 3200 Mhz but everyone knows that's not the top-end. That's the bottom-end.

Ram overclocking is very time-consuming. And there is always variation from 1 kit to the next. You can't copy anyone elses settings. You gotta find your own.

Some guides:
https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/wiki/ram/general

MemTestHelper/DDR4 OC Guide.md at master · integralfx/MemTestHelper

C# WPF to automate HCI MemTest. Contribute to integralfx/MemTestHelper development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com

AMD Ryzen Memory Tweaking & Overclocking Guide

Memory overclocking has a significant impact on performance of AMD Ryzen-powered machines, but the alleged complexity of memory tweaking on this platform, largely fueled by misinformation and lack of documentation, has kept some enthusiasts away from it. We want to change this.

www.techpowerup.com

Have fun!

As your quoting me your addressing me.😡
It's like the student trying to teach the teacher LOL. 😀
Please try to help the OP with helpful info that has not already been addressed.😕
I expect your comeback and your Welcome.

 

[mamasan2000]

As your quoting me your addressing me.😡
It's like the student trying to teach the teacher LOL. 😀
Please try to help the OP with helpful info that has not already been addressed.😕
I expect your comeback and your Welcome.

I'm too lazy to multi-quote, don't even know if that is possible, that's how lazy I am.

 

[MeanMachine41]

I'm too lazy to multi-quote, don't even know if that is possible, that's how lazy I am.

Well here's a quote you made thats incorrect

"Intel 11900k also only supports 3200 Mhz but everyone knows that's not the top-end. That's the bottom-end." [END QUOTE]

This is incorrect and if you care to read the specs it says UP TO. and NO not everybody knows that.

 

[CountMike]

It is quite possible for that setup to run memory at 4000MHz. Even on my setup I manged to run 4000MHz although only got it to post. 3800MHz worked with windows but with much higher Cl 27 which made RAM actually slower than at present 3600 and Cl16.

Overclocking over those 4000MHz is futile, RAM is already close to or at it's limit.

 

[mamasan2000]

Well here's a quote you made thats incorrect

Yeah, officially. But that only covers their buttocks. What's officially supported and what's possible is 2 different things.
I have a Ryzen 1700, boost clock 3.7 Ghz. All-core max probably 3.4-3.6 Ghz, I don't even know because I've been running it at 3.8 Ghz all-core since I got it. Official vs what's possible.

Then there is stuff like this: https://www.businesswire.com/news/h...ets-DDR4-Overclocking-World-Record-at-7156MHz
What's officially supported on a 11900KF? 3200 Mhz. The world record is way higher than 3200 Mhz. Anybody who knows anything about computers should know this.

 

[MeanMachine41]

Yeah, officially. But that only covers their buttocks. What's officially supported and what's possible is 2 different things.
I have a Ryzen 1700, boost clock 3.7 Ghz. All-core max probably 3.4-3.6 Ghz, I don't even know because I've been running it at 3.8 Ghz all-core since I got it. Official vs what's possible.

Then there is stuff like this: https://www.businesswire.com/news/h...ets-DDR4-Overclocking-World-Record-at-7156MHz
What's officially supported on a 11900KF? 3200 Mhz. The world record is way higher than 3200 Mhz. Anybody who knows anything about computers should know this.

The thing about stuff like that you will find that it was achieved using LN Liquid Nitrogen and YOU should know this.
Also what you should know is that although some chip samples can scale well it takes a good ten samples to get a good one if you do any max Overclocks.

3.8 all Core is average for 1700 CPU. I had an 1800X tuned to 4.2GHz so what.

Look this should not be about you and I debating anything. Help tids2k to get a
4000Mhz overclock on his RAM as you are so confident. Chewing the fat with me achieves little.

 

[mamasan2000]

The thing about stuff like that you will find that it was achieved using LN Liquid Nitrogen and YOU should know this.
Also what you should know is that although some chip samples can scale well it takes a good ten samples to get a good one if you do any max Overclocks.

3.8 all Core is average for 1700 CPU. I had an 1800X tuned to 4.2GHz so what.

Look this should not be about you and I debating anything. Help tids2k to get a
4000Mhz overclock on his RAM as you are so confident. Chewing the fat with me achieves little.

Yeah, I know 7 Ghz is LN2 but what can you do with air? More than 3200 Mhz for sure. Some reach 5 Ghz. And my Ryzen chip is an average chip but still out of spec.

Didn't I say 'stick to 3600-3800 Mhz'? If he can reach F-clock of 2000 Mhz, great, run 4000 Mhz but I wouldn't count on it. If he can't, in that case, 4000 Mhz is bad for overall performance. Because ratio is no longer 1 to 1.
3.6-3.8 Ghz on RAM with tight timings, that's my tip. But actual timings? There is so much variation, where do you even start? Depends on motherboard, IMC, RAM sticks. Timings have to be found manually and test them til you are tired of it. And call it good enough.

 

[CountMike]

Yeah, I know 7 Ghz is LN2 but what can you do with air? More than 3200 Mhz for sure. Some reach 5 Ghz. And my Ryzen chip is an average chip but still out of spec.

Didn't I say 'stick to 3600-3800 Mhz'? If he can reach F-clock of 2000 Mhz, great, run 4000 Mhz but I wouldn't count on it. If he can't, in that case, 4000 Mhz is bad for overall performance. Because ratio is no longer 1 to 1.
3.6-3.8 Ghz on RAM with tight timings, that's my tip. But actual timings? There is so much variation, where do you even start? Depends on motherboard, IMC, RAM sticks. Timings have to be found manually and test them til you are tired of it. And call it good enough.

But he is already running at 4000MHz.

 

[tids2k]

Jeez. Did i just ask the wrong question .. Mods please delete this thread. I would try some other site, @CountMike & @mamasan2000 thank you both for helping me out.