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Hi,

It was rumored that Relentless Rats (today's preview) would have
supertype 'Basic'. Any ideas why it doesn't?

David
 
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From the Collected Witterings of David de Kloet, volume 23:
> Hi,
>
> It was rumored that Relentless Rats (today's preview) would have
> supertype 'Basic'. Any ideas why it doesn't?

Because they'd have to put the reminder text on the card anyway.

--
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"David de Kloet"

> Hi,
>
> It was rumored that Relentless Rats (today's preview) would have
> supertype 'Basic'. Any ideas why it doesn't?

1)Because its not a land.
2)The type "Basic Creature" would cause much more doubts that the simple
ruletext.
3)Other reason is the golden rule. (The rules take precedence unless
otherwise declared in the card's rule text. note "rule text" and not
"type" )
 
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On Wed, 12 May 2004, David Chapman wrote:

> From the Collected Witterings of David de Kloet, volume 23:
> > Hi,
> >
> > It was rumored that Relentless Rats (today's preview) would have
> > supertype 'Basic'. Any ideas why it doesn't?
>
> Because they'd have to put the reminder text on the card anyway.

True, but I'd still find it more elegant rulewise.

David
 
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On Wed, 12 May 2004 14:36:50 +0200, David de Kloet <dskloet@cs.vu.nl> wrote:
>It was rumored that Relentless Rats (today's preview) would have
>supertype 'Basic'. Any ideas why it doesn't?

Um, because it's not a land, perhaps? Making it a "Basic Creature" wouldn't
do anything extra towards overriding the rule that exempts basic -land- cards
only...

Dave
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It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
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SMMT wrote:

> "David de Kloet"
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> It was rumored that Relentless Rats (today's preview) would have
>> supertype 'Basic'. Any ideas why it doesn't?
>
> 1)Because its not a land.

Basic is a supertype, it can technically be applied to any card. The
only rule that would need to be altered is 100.2, and the change would
be rather trivial.

> 2)The type "Basic Creature" would cause much more doubts that the
> simple ruletext.

It would cause no more doubts than Artifact Lands or the Echoing cycle
already created.

> 3)Other reason is the golden rule. (The rules take precedence unless
> otherwise declared in the card's rule text. note "rule text" and not
> "type" )

The golden rule is irrelevant in this instance because Wizards can and
does alter the rules as it sees fit. The definition of the supertype
'Basic' is already written so that it could apply to card types other
than lands, all it needs is to be explicitly stated.

--
Exatron
"I don't break rules, I bend them -a lot." - Sideswipe

The important thing is not to stop questioning. - Albert Einstein
 
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Well, YEAH,
but if they then tweaked the rule to include Basic ANYTHING (including
creatures), that'd be kinda cool.
And elegant.
Admittedly there may be (and probably are) other wackier ramifications of
this change, but it'd still be great to explore.

Peter

"David DeLaney" <dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com> wrote in message
news:slrnca5ok3.29h.dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com...
> On Wed, 12 May 2004 14:36:50 +0200, David de Kloet <dskloet@cs.vu.nl>
wrote:
> >It was rumored that Relentless Rats (today's preview) would have
> >supertype 'Basic'. Any ideas why it doesn't?
>
> Um, because it's not a land, perhaps? Making it a "Basic Creature"
wouldn't
> do anything extra towards overriding the rule that exempts basic -land-
cards
> only...
>
> Dave
> --
> \/David DeLaney posting from dbd@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the
flower
> It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone
to see
> Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET
VRbeable<BLINK>
> http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all
CAPS! --K.
 
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