Question Rendering/Programming/Gaming Rig

[redneck_it]

I'm building a PC that will mostly be used to render stuff in Blender, do some moderate programming(mostly Python machine learning stuff) and of course gaming. I haven't built a PC in about 5 years so I'm not too familiar with today's trends. I'd just like to hear your opinions on this build:

CPU: I'm debating between Ryzen 7 2700 and the 2700X. The X model is 60EUR more expensive so I'm thinking it might be better to invest those 60EUR in a better M.2 SSD. What do you think?

MOBO: MSI Gaming Plus X470. I was thinking of getting the Asus Pro X470 but it doesn't seem worth the extra 50EUR

RAM: the cheapest 32GB DDR4 kit I can find, preferably 3000mhz

GPU: ASUS TURBO RTX2070 - it one of the cheapest RTX 2070s, the other ones are 80EUR more and I don't think they're worth it

CASE: NZXT H500i

PSU: Corsair TX650M

I already have HDDs and SSDs I'm gonna reuse but I'm gonna get an M.2 SSD as well. I was thinking either the Samsung Evo Plus or the WD Black

I don't really have a number to set as a budget because prices are different here. This is the max I can spend I'd just like some advice about the CPU and if I get the 2700 should I transfer the extra 60EUR to the MOBO, the GPU or the M.2 SSD

 

[WildCard999]

The 2700 would be fine but the stock cooler may be a bit loud, try it first and if it's too loud then use part of that 60EUR to get a decent cooler.

Neither, unless there's a feature you need on the X470 board I'd snag a good quality B450 board and save a considerable amount of money.

Ryzen requires fast memory, get the 3200mhz @2x16gb.

GPU is a solid choice.

PSU & Case are fine as well.

For rendering I would get the Samsung 970 EVO 500gb M.2 NVMe SSD or if that's too expensive then the 860 EVO is fine.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor (€264.00 @ Alternate)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 Black Edition 42 CFM CPU Cooler (€34.90 @ Caseking)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - B450 AORUS PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard (€110.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (€224.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (€124.79 @ Mindfactory)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (€63.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Video Card: Asus - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB Video Card (€420.00 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Case: NZXT - H500 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (€85.89 @ Alternate)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - EVO Edition 620 W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (€80.77 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Case Fan: be quiet! - Pure Wings 2 140 61.2 CFM 140mm Fan (€9.79 @ Aquatuning)
Case Fan: be quiet! - Pure Wings 2 140 61.2 CFM 140mm Fan (€9.79 @ Aquatuning)
Total: €1429.72
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-28 20:33 CET+0100

 

[Aeacus]

Something like this perhaps?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor (€264.00 @ Amazon Deutschland)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler (€72.49 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: MSI - X470 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard (€137.49 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (€194.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Video Card: Asus - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB Video Card (€420.00 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Case: NZXT - H500i (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (€130.53 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - PRIME Ultra Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (€116.57 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €1335.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-28 20:11 CET+0100

Few words

For CPU, went with R7 2700 since when you OC your CPU, you can get the equal performance out of it as you'd get with R7 2700X,
comparison: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-2700-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-2700X/3957vs3958

While R7 2700 does come with AMD Wraith CPU cooler, it's not near enough for medium- to high-level CPU OC. Due to that, put in one of the best CPU air coolers. Dark Rock Pro 3 is only few degrees short of Noctua NH-D15 (king of air coolers).
Note: Dark Rock Pro 3 is 165mm tall and it might touch H500i side panel since H500i also has 165mm of CPU cooler clearance.

MoBo is the one you picked.

For RAM, put in Corsair Vengeance LPX 2x 16GB 3000 Mhz. With 2x sticks, you can add more RAM in the future when needed. RAM is normal-profile and fits under the Dark Rock Pro 3 just fine. Just install the RAM before installing CPU cooler, it's easier this way.

GPU is also the same you picked.

Since choosing a PC case is personal choice, i didn't replace the one you picked.

While Corsair TX650 is good, it's not the best. And since you're going to run very expensive hardware, i put in the best PSU money can buy at current date. While Seasonic PRIME Ultra 650 (80+ Titanium) would be preferred, Seasonic PRIME Ultra 650 (80+ Gold) will do fine as well. PRIME series is the flagship PSU line from Seasonic and PRIME series PSUs are the only PSUs in the entire world that come with 12 years! of warranty. For comparison, Corsair TX650 comes with only 5 years of warranty and Corsair TX650M comes with 7 years of warranty.
(All my 3 PCs: Skylake, Haswell and AMD are also powered by Seasonic. Full specs with pics in my sig.)

For M.2 NVMe SSD, i'd go with Samsung 970 Evo Plus (500GB) over WD Black (500GB) since Samsung drive offers better performance with little added cost,
comparison: https://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compa...-Evo-Plus-NVMe-PCIe-M2-500GB/m485459vsm700020

 

[redneck_it]

The 2700 would be fine but the stock cooler may be a bit loud, try it first and if it's too loud then use part of that 60EUR to get a decent cooler.

Neither, unless there's a feature you need on the X470 board I'd snag a good quality B450 board and save a considerable amount of money.

Ryzen requires fast memory, get the 3200mhz @2x16gb.

GPU is a solid choice.

PSU & Case are fine as well.

For rendering I would get the Samsung 970 EVO 500gb M.2 NVMe SSD or if that's too expensive then the 860 EVO is fine.

I'd rather get a X470 board because I'll probably upgrade to 4th gen Ryzen when it comes out and I've read it's easier to do it with a X470 board.
I might be wrong though.

Something like this perhaps?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor (€264.00 @ Amazon Deutschland)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler (€72.49 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: MSI - X470 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard (€137.49 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (€194.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Video Card: Asus - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB Video Card (€420.00 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Case: NZXT - H500i (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (€130.53 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - PRIME Ultra Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (€116.57 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €1335.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-28 20:11 CET+0100

Few words

For CPU, went with R7 2700 since when you OC your CPU, you can get the equal performance out of it as you'd get with R7 2700X,
comparison: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-2700-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-2700X/3957vs3958

While R7 2700 does come with AMD Wraith CPU cooler, it's not near enough for medium- to high-level CPU OC. Due to that, put in one of the best CPU air coolers. Dark Rock Pro 3 is only few degrees short of Noctua NH-D15 (king of air coolers).
Note: Dark Rock Pro 3 is 165mm tall and it might touch H500i side panel since H500i also has 165mm of CPU cooler clearance.

MoBo is the one you picked.

For RAM, put in Corsair Vengeance LPX 2x 16GB 3000 Mhz. With 2x sticks, you can add more RAM in the future when needed. RAM is normal-profile and fits under the Dark Rock Pro 3 just fine. Just install the RAM before installing CPU cooler, it's easier this way.

GPU is also the same you picked.

Since choosing a PC case is personal choice, i didn't replace the one you picked.

While Corsair TX650 is good, it's not the best. And since you're going to run very expensive hardware, i put in the best PSU money can buy at current date. While Seasonic PRIME Ultra 650 (80+ Titanium) would be preferred, Seasonic PRIME Ultra 650 (80+ Gold) will do fine as well. PRIME series is the flagship PSU line from Seasonic and PRIME series PSUs are the only PSUs in the entire world that come with 12 years! of warranty. For comparison, Corsair TX650 comes with only 5 years of warranty and Corsair TX650M comes with 7 years of warranty.
(All my 3 PCs: Skylake, Haswell and AMD are also powered by Seasonic. Full specs with pics in my sig.)

For M.2 NVMe SSD, i'd go with Samsung 970 Evo Plus (500GB) over WD Black (500GB) since Samsung drive offers better performance with little added cost,
comparison: https://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compa...-Evo-Plus-NVMe-PCIe-M2-500GB/m485459vsm700020

Wow thank You for the detailed response.
How would the 2700 preform without OCing it? I've never done it but I've been seriously considering it. I'll look into it a bit more. What would you recommend OCing it to?
Thanks for the PSU recommendation, better to get a reliable PSU when running expensive hardware.

Oh btw, the GPU you linked is actually 600EUR, not 420EUR and it's not the one I was talking about. This is the one:
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07JBGY6KC...halspre03-21&ascsubtag=Zh8Hc32JfW42aabSJvOStQ

I've heard some people dislike this kind of cooling on a GPU. Is it ok? It's 100EUR less.

 

[WildCard999]

With BIOS updates even first generation Ryzen boards such as the B350 will support newer Ryzen CPU's.

 

[redneck_it]

With BIOS updates even first generation Ryzen boards such as the B350 will support newer Ryzen CPU's.

What do you think about the X470 model of the MOBO you linked? It's pretty much the same price as the MSI one.

 

[WildCard999]

What do you think about the X470 model of the MOBO you linked? It's pretty much the same price as the MSI one.

I don't care much for the X470 boards, they have a few more SATA connections and support SLI/CF (which is useless nowadays due to poor driver support) and overclocking wise can be matched by cheaper, higher end B450 boards.

 

[redneck_it]

I don't care much for the X470 boards, they have a few more SATA connections and support SLI/CF (which is useless nowadays due to poor driver support) and overclocking wise can be matched by cheaper, higher end B450 boards.

Alright, thank You for your response. I will definitely reconsider which board I get.

 

[WildCard999]

Alright, thank You for your response. I will definitely reconsider which board I get.

Pay particular attention to VRM (voltage regulator modules), typically the more a motherboard has the better the overclock.

 

[redneck_it]

Pay particular attention to VRM (voltage regulator modules), typically the more a motherboard has the better the overclock.

Ok thanks. While you're here, do you mind just giving your opinion on the GPU I chose. I know some people dislike the cooling in these GPUs but it's significantly cheaper than the rest
https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B07JBGY6KC/ref=ox_sc_act_title_6?smid=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&psc=1

 

[WildCard999]

Ok thanks. While you're here, do you mind just giving your opinion on the GPU I chose. I know some people dislike the cooling in these GPUs but it's significantly cheaper than the rest
https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B07JBGY6KC/ref=ox_sc_act_title_6?smid=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&psc=1

It's ok, not a fan of blower style cooling unless you building a small ITX style system with limited cooling. That being said it's a decent card but will probably run a bit warmer then the 2 or 3 fan versions.

 

[Aeacus]

About GPU. When i was composing the build, i didn't check if the GPU really did cost €420 or not. My bad.

The Asus RTX 2070 you linked is Founders Edition. Nothing bad about that type of GPU per say, but just beware that FE edition GPUs can be both louder and more hot running than open-air type GPUs. Benefit of FE type GPUs is that they will exhaust all the hot air outside the PC case, rather than dissipating the hot air inside the PC. FE type GPUs are better used in smaller (mini-ITX) builds to keep the PC internals heating up too much. But that doesn't mean they can't be used in bigger sized builds as well. E.g my Haswell build has FE edition GTX 760 in it and i have no issues running it in my full-tower ATX case.

As far as R7 2700 goes, without OC, it performs about 14% slower than R7 2700X since it's base clock is at 3.2 Ghz (vs 3.7 Ghz for R7 2700X). R7 2700 turbo clock goes up to 4.1 Ghz and you can OC your CPU to run e.g 4.0 Ghz to be safe side. You can always push your CPU to run on higher clocks if 4.0 Ghz isn't enough. How far you can push your CPU depends on CPU silicon lottery, CPU cooling and MoBo VRMs.

For MoBo, X470 chipsets are priced high due to the plethora of features they come with. If you don't need the additional features that the X470 chipset MoBo offers, B450 chipset MoBo will do fine as well. Just don't go cheap on B450 chipset MoBo since those limit the CPU OC quite a bit due to the less VRMs on them.

 

[redneck_it]

About GPU. When i was composing the build, i didn't check if the GPU really did cost €420 or not. My bad.

The Asus RTX 2070 you linked is Founders Edition. Nothing bad about that type of GPU per say, but just beware that FE edition GPUs can be both louder and more hot running than open-air type GPUs. Benefit of FE type GPUs is that they will exhaust all the hot air outside the PC case, rather than dissipating the hot air inside the PC. FE type GPUs are better used in smaller (mini-ITX) builds to keep the PC internals heating up too much. But that doesn't mean they can't be used in bigger sized builds as well. E.g my Haswell build has FE edition GTX 760 in it and i have no issues running it in my full-tower ATX case.

As far as R7 2700 goes, without OC, it performs about 14% slower than R7 2700X since it's base clock is at 3.2 Ghz (vs 3.7 Ghz for R7 2700X). R7 2700 turbo clock goes up to 4.1 Ghz and you can OC your CPU to run e.g 4.0 Ghz to be safe side. You can always push your CPU to run on higher clocks if 4.0 Ghz isn't enough. How far you can push your CPU depends on CPU silicon lottery, CPU cooling and MoBo VRMs.

For MoBo, X470 chipsets are priced high due to the plethora of features they come with. If you don't need the additional features that the X470 chipset MoBo offers, B450 chipset MoBo will do fine as well. Just don't go cheap on B450 chipset MoBo since those limit the CPU OC quite a bit due to the less VRMs on them.

Would putting extra case fans help in keeping the GPU cooler?

Is it better to get a more expensive B450 MOBO for around 110EUR or a cheaper X470 one for around 140EUR?

 

[Aeacus]

H500i comes with 2x stock fans. If you mount all the fans into H500i (4x in total) then yes, it does help in GPU and PC overall cooling.

With MoBo, i need to know specific makes and models since different manufacturers build their MoBos differently. Either that or read the MoBo reviews to know how well it fares.