Report: AMD's Catalyst 14.1 Beta Driver to Carry Pack Patch

[N.Broekhuijsen]

Hopefully, we'll soon be re-benchmarking Battlefield 4 with AMD's Mantle API.

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[rolli59]

Hope we get a follow up with benchmarks as soon as released!

 

[Warsaw]

Interesting....I wonder if we'll start getting better CPU performance out of AMD's CPU's then when it's crossed between? Can't wait to see some benchmarks when fully released.

 

[ern88]

Hope this comes out before the end of this week!!!

 

[damric]

Needs mantle games for mantle to work. Hope we get some.

 

[salgado18]

If it is true then I'll be happy, as a 7970-owner, but if the A10 is somehow faster than an FX because of it's GPU/OpenCL/Wizardry, then I'll get really excited...If not, then why not use their top CPU?

 

[jimmysmitty]

I wonder if it means 45% better throughput or FPS. It seems like an insane claim and the truth is I would hope so but it is all about if the games jump onto it or if they leave it on the side.

 

[alextheblue]

Well... it will improve CPU performance in a manner of speaking, because it has less overhead than Direct3D or OpenGL. This will benefit Intel processors too (when equipped with GCN discrete graphics). However, it may actually help AMD more (as a percentage) since they tend to have lower IPC, and thus Mantle helps reduce per-thread CPU bottlenecks. I bet this will provide quite a large boost to GCN-equipped APU-only setups quite a bit (especially mobile), since it somewhat mitigates the need for faster CPU cores. How big of an impact this will have depends on how many engines support it. Frostbite is a really big win, however.

 

[iam2thecrowe]

dont really care about this for bf4, but will be interesting to see how well it works when the new thief game is released.With less cpu overhead i guess the greatest benefits will come to those with lower end cpu's.

 

[rishiswaz]

The new A10s are not faster than a 7970 on any 6 core or 8 core FX CPU, the 4 core ones will lag behind for sure but the thing is games are not optimized for hsa/huma. If AMD can work out a solution like Virtu MVP or something like that for the APUs, it would allow you to have a full graphics card running when you need it (games or heavy GPU acceleration) and have a very competent iGPU running for smaller things ( web browsing, productivity, web browser GPU acceleration, etc.). If they can get that to market with what the best they have now being the 95W TDP A10 with the iGPU included, they can really lower the TDP and keep the system cooler if the CPU was not running any graphics and a lot of potential in that for Mini-ITX and Steam Machine markets

 

[LtRoyalShrimp]

If this is with an A10, imagine the performance with a 4770k. Oogle.

 

[chumly]

I'm sure if it were true, they would've already let the cat out of the bag. Sounds like a load of more horse shit to me.

 

[west7]

i think mantle is one of the best thing happen in long time performance boost for free

 

[Mathos]

Wonder if people realize NVidia has been doing this for years? Thats why Previous Battlefield games have historically always performed better on Nvidia cards than ATI/AMD. Did people not realize that's what the nvapi thing was that popped up from most the way it's meant to be played games? And they were able to do this not through actual superior product, but because they controlled both consoles video hardware for the last generation. This is just AMD doing the same thing, so it's a sure bet we'll see many more games supporting mantle at least as long as AMD hardware is in all 3 current consoles.

 

[Mousemonkey]

Any takers?

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=385614

 

[renz496]

[quotemsg=12445197,0,95933]Any takers?

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=385614[/quotemsg]

wow 500mb for drivers? also this is interesting:

This will be promoted with a game called Thief, which is scheduled to release next month, while Battlefield 4′s Mantle patch is also expected to go live in February, although an actual date has not been pinned down yet.

http://www.inentertainment.co.uk/20140107/mantle-api-running-bf4-with-speed-increase/

i thought we are going to see BF4 in jan?

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-mantle-battlefield-4,25560.html

 

[qlum]

If those figures are accurate I think this warrants amd exclusivity especially since there is nothing preventing nvidea from making a similar thing and games / engines using both in addition to regular dx or opengl.

 

[Mousemonkey]

[quotemsg=12445358,0,255542][quotemsg=12445197,0,95933]Any takers?

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=385614[/quotemsg]

wow 500mb for drivers? also this is interesting:

This will be promoted with a game called Thief, which is scheduled to release next month, while Battlefield 4′s Mantle patch is also expected to go live in February, although an actual date has not been pinned down yet.

http://www.inentertainment.co.uk/20140107/mantle-api-running-bf4-with-speed-increase/

i thought we are going to see BF4 in jan?

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-mantle-battlefield-4,25560.html[/quotemsg]

According to the comments this is a pre-release of the upcoming beta but I can't say for sure, obviously.

 

[bobforapples]

If it is true then I'll be happy, as a 7970-owner, but if the A10 is somehow faster than an FX because of it's GPU/OpenCL/Wizardry, then I'll get really excited...If not, then why not use their top CPU?

They are using the A10 because the FX series is dead in the water, they want to advertise their latest and greatest and that's Kaveri.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Wonder if people realize NVidia has been doing this for years? Thats why Previous Battlefield games have historically always performed better on Nvidia cards than ATI/AMD. Did people not realize that's what the nvapi thing was that popped up from most the way it's meant to be played games? And they were able to do this not through actual superior product, but because they controlled both consoles video hardware for the last generation. This is just AMD doing the same thing, so it's a sure bet we'll see many more games supporting mantle at least as long as AMD hardware is in all 3 current consoles.

the xbox 360 runs on an ati x1800 spin-off. so no, they did not have this kind of technology, nor control. they controlled a larger market share, and help developers make games run better on THEIR architecture. nvidia's drivers are still superior to AMDs, that is why they perform better in most games. not sure where your facts are coming from, but they are dead wrong.

 

[06yfz450ridr]

now lets hope it works with xfire from the starts haha

 

[somebodyspecial]

Oh crap, another UP TO fiasco waiting to happen. I hope this isn't the case like with the Hawaii launch where UP TO 1ghz mean ~750mhz unless you waited for NON ref. But AFAIK they are claiming fps. At any rate this is the best case scenario they will ever have. IN the APU show ONE dev made a comment on mantle perf and said 20% is not unreasonable (IMHO a waste of time at these levels and not glowing endorsement). So I guess you have to spend $8mil (which by the way the entire witcher 1 & witcher 2 games were made for 7mil each) to get UP TO 45%. Even at $2-4mil it would be expensive and not easily funded by AMD. Just getting it in the ENGINES is half the battle. The other half is devs actually USING that part of the engine for something that gets them ZERO extra profits. AMD will have to fund this to death just like phsyx for NV which isn't used much either because again, NV pretty much has to pay a dev to use it, otherwise the dev gets nothing in profits for it. You don't code for FREE. That's bad business.

 

[matt_b]

Wonder if people realize NVidia has been doing this for years? Thats why Previous Battlefield games have historically always performed better on Nvidia cards than ATI/AMD. Did people not realize that's what the nvapi thing was that popped up from most the way it's meant to be played games? And they were able to do this not through actual superior product, but because they controlled both consoles video hardware for the last generation. This is just AMD doing the same thing, so it's a sure bet we'll see many more games supporting mantle at least as long as AMD hardware is in all 3 current consoles.

In the past, it has been no different when Nvidia or ATI/AMD invested or their hardware was chosen to develop a game on, of course it would have performed best on that setup. As far as the cards themselves, we could just as easily compare an Intel chip vs an AMD processor. Although they do the same thing basically, they are quite different architecturally. This is why cards trade blows back and forth between games, both have strengths, both have weaknesses. Not to mention I don't think you realize this is meant to really try and circumvent the DirectX API. For this very reason, I cannot see it taking off on either console though, especially the XBone. Although Microsoft has stifled the direction of DirectX these past few years, don't expect for them to jump in head first with support against their baby on either of their home turfs: console or Windows PC. I hope it takes off though, it's past time that a major graphic API becomes decentralized again so conflict of interest isn't an issue; doesn't matter to me whether it's OpenCL, or if OpenGL rises to prominence again.

 

[SkateZilla]

You realize the 14.1 AMD Driver will Include Mantle, but you still have to wait for EA to Release the Mantle Patch for BF4 Right?

 

[colson79]

Wonder if people realize NVidia has been doing this for years? Thats why Previous Battlefield games have historically always performed better on Nvidia cards than ATI/AMD. Did people not realize that's what the nvapi thing was that popped up from most the way it's meant to be played games? And they were able to do this not through actual superior product, but because they controlled both consoles video hardware for the last generation. This is just AMD doing the same thing, so it's a sure bet we'll see many more games supporting mantle at least as long as AMD hardware is in all 3 current consoles.

Nvidia has nothing like this at all, Mantle is a new api and Nvidia just optimizes games to for direct X and open GL. Completly different than Mantle and nowhere near the performance gain of Mantle. You can go back to you Nvidia fanboy club now.