Report: Specifications of AMD's Hawaii GPU Surface

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anort3

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The 290X is supposed to be a dual GPU successor to the HD 7990. At least according to Videocardz.com. That does not make it very impressive to be between the Titan and GTX 690. The 280X is the HD 7970 successor.
 

jimmysmitty

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Well 5 more days till AMD "announces" it.

The rumors have went from doubling SPUs to a small increase to this which seems promising if true.

Hopefully they also get driver performance up in time.
 

jimmysmitty

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I would assume that's a typo then and the HD7990 is already near the GTX690 and there is no way with more SPUs that it would be slower than the HD7990.

I assume they meant R9-280X
 

vmem

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hmm, similar clocks, similar memory BUS as the 7970, and really not THAT many more stream processors. thus, the performance per stream processor has to go up significantly to land between the Titan and the 690.

if AMD can pull a 28nm chip Titan killer out on a 30% smaller die... I can't wait for their 20nm chips LOL
 

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From what I have seen the Titan is generally 30% better than the HD7970 GHz.

This will also probably be based on the same GCN arch that went into the HD7790, which when OCed could contend with the HD7850 in some cases so I would assume there will be decent performance buffs for the R9-280X.

I am hoping for more VRAM though. 3GB is nice but would prefer 4GB or maybe 6GB. But that will also make the price less attractive.
 

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The GTX Titan is a mess anyway. Poor performance for 7.08 billions transistors(vs. 4.3 for the 7970), but it is a broken Tesla K20.

I see newegg Canada has a Titan on for this evenings shellshocker @ $940. Still too much thou. I won't shed any tears during it's burial. And it will be interesting to see what these mature 28nm yields out of TSCM can do. Although... yawn

I'm really looking fwd to 20nm as well!
@vmen, agreed!!
 

wdmfiber

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The GTX Titan is a mess anyway. Poor performance for 7.08 billions transistors(vs. 4.3 for the 7970), but it is a broken Tesla K20.

I see newegg Canada has a Titan on for this evenings shellshocker @ $940. Still too much thou. I won't shed any tears during it's burial. And it will be interesting to see what these mature 28nm yields out of TSCM can do. Although... yawn

I'm really looking fwd to 20nm as well!
@vmen, agreed!!
 

wdmfiber

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The GTX Titan is a mess anyway. Poor performance for 7.08 billions transistors(vs. 4.3 for the 7970), but it is a broken Tesla K20.

I see newegg Canada has a Titan on for this evenings shellshocker @ $940. Still too much thou. I won't shed any tears during it's burial. And it will be interesting to see what these mature 28nm yields out of TSCM can do. Although... yawn

I'm really looking fwd to 20nm as well!
@vmen, agreed!!
 

wdmfiber

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The GTX Titan is a mess anyway. Poor performance for 7.08 billions transistors(vs. 4.3 for the 7970), but it is a broken Tesla K20.

I see newegg Canada has a Titan on for this evenings shellshocker @ $940. Still too much thou. I won't shed any tears during it's burial. And it will be interesting to see what these mature 28nm yields out of TSCM can do. Although... yawn

I'm really looking fwd to 20nm as well!
@vmen, agreed!!
 

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This is great news. I assume the introduction of AMD's next-generation video cards will drive down the current 7000-series price even further. Maybe I should wait a few weeks or months and see how prices end up before I snag a video card for my new build.
 

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An overclocked GTX 780 can match a GTX 690 already.
Proof? See these two articles side-by-side:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/08/14/galaxy_geforce_gtx_780_hof_edition_review/
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/catalyst-13.8-frame-pacing-crossfire,3595.html

Compare the average fps results for Crysis 3, Far Cry 3, Metro LL, and Tomb Raider.

Crysis 3: GTX 780 OC = 44.6 avg. fps / GTX 690 = 39.6 avg. fps
Far Cry 3: GTX 780 OC = 50.2 avg. fps / GTX 690 = 82.4 avg. fps
Metro LL: GTX 780 OC = 65.0 avg. fps / GTX 690 = 69.3 avg. fps
Tomb Raider: GTX 780 OC = 55.7 avg. fps / GTX 690 = 47.6 avg. fps

The GTX 780 OC loses to the GTX 690 in Far Cry 3, ties in Crysis 3 and Metro LL, and wins in Tomb Raider. I realize the settings used in both articles aren't identical, but they are close enough for a reasonably fair comparison. Keep in mind that a GTX 780 is a SINGLE GPU card and yet it is doing battle against a top-of-the-line dual-GPU card.

Finally, at $689.99, the overclocked GTX 780 sets the bar that AMD has to beat:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814162142

Will AMD bring out a comparable single-GPU card? They'll be in trouble if they don't.
 

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amd needs... NEEDS to be super competitive. titan has been out for quite a while now, and with the lack of competition, nvidia prices however the hell they want
 

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They wont quite be in trouble if they do but it wont help pricing or competition at all.

I hope AMD is as I don't like the idea of $600+ top end single GPU setups. Even $500 is a bit pricey.

I am optimistic they will push the GTX780. Honestly NVidia did it because they knew AMD wasn't releasing anything and could drop a gimped Titan with less VRAM and then rehash the 600 series and make a profit.



Titan died the second the GTX780 came out. If you could pay $700 for a 780 and get near the same performance, why pay $1000? The performance difference was not worth the extra $300 Titan went for.

Same as the price for the 780 didn't warrant anyone with a 7970 nor a 680 to really upgrade.

Now if it gave 50% or better performance, sure maybe it would justify it. But honestly NVidia is just price gouging to inflate their margins.

Honestly though I think anyone with a HD7970 or GTX680 could probably wait till well into 2014 before needing to upgrade as games still don't truly push them (except at 4K res which only the ones who can afford quad CFX/SLI could afford anyways) and wont until the new consoles are more saturated in the market and games start to use the DX11 hardware more.

Even then they might not even flinch as both series were designed more for DX11 than anything and still do very well there.
 

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If this is about the same size as 7970, maybe a little bit bigger (30% smaller than Titan as the AMD has allready revealed) it is guite easy to say that the douple GPU version r9 290 is faster than titan... What seems impossible is increas in both rops and stream prosessors without making the chip much bigger... Maybe they are tallking about the douple GPU version all the time. How many rops and stream prosessors you get when you calculate all rops and stream prosessors from 7990?
 

anort3

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Yeah, if nothing else these cards should have a hardware fix for the memory controller so the frame pacing issue should be sorted out.
 
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