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Just had a question about the card Reshape:

Reshape - XUU

As an additional cost to play Reshape, scarifice an artifact.

Search your library for an artifact card with converted mana cost X or less
and put it into play. Then shuffle your library.



If you search for an artifact that has affinity, e.g. affinity to artifacts,
and you have 2 other artifacts in play after sacrificing one to reshape, is
X the casting cost of the artifact you are searching for or will X be the
same as its affinity cost? (i.e casting cost subtract 2)

Thanks!

Andy
 
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"Andrew Quinn" <x@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:
> Just had a question about the card Reshape:

It looks like you typed that text in... Copy/Paste from Oracle
(http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dci/oracle) is your friend.

,----[ Oracle ]
| Reshape
| {X}{U}{U}
| Sorcery
| As an additional cost to play Reshape, sacrifice an artifact.
| Search your library for an artifact card with converted mana cost X
| or less and put it into play. Then shuffle your library.
`----

> If you search for an artifact that has affinity, e.g. affinity to
> artifacts, and you have 2 other artifacts in play after sacrificing
> one to reshape, is X the casting cost of the artifact you are
> searching for or will X be the same as its affinity cost? (i.e
> casting cost subtract 2)

In the absence of copy effects (which copy the mana cost as well),
when something looks for a mana cost (or converted mana cost), it
looks at the numbers and symbols printed in the upper-right
corner. While the cost to play the spell may be wildly different
depending on the card and what else is in play, the mana cost doesn't
change.

Therefore, the X in Reshape has to be the same number as the one in
the corner of the card that you bring into play.

,----[ Comp. Rules (http://www.wizards.com/magic/comprules) ]
| 203.1. The mana cost of a card is indicated by mana symbols printed
| on its upper right corner. Tokens and lands have a mana cost of
| {0}.
| 203.3. The converted mana cost of an object is a number equal to the
| total amount of mana in its mana cost, regardless of color.
`----

> Thanks!

You're very welcome! Please feel free to post again if this didn't
clear things up or if you have more questions.

--
Peter C.
"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I
didn't know."
-- Mark Twain, "Life on the Mississippi"
 
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Andrew Quinn wrote:

> If you search for an artifact that has affinity, e.g. affinity to
> artifacts, and you have 2 other artifacts in play after sacrificing
> one to reshape, is X the casting cost of the artifact you are
> searching for or will X be the same as its affinity cost? (i.e
> casting cost subtract 2)

I highly doubt it. Converted mana cost always refers to the printed cost of
the spell.

--
Gravity: it's not just a good idea, it's the law.
 
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On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 15:53:30 +0100, Andrew Quinn <x@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>Just had a question about the card Reshape:
>
>Reshape - XUU
>
>As an additional cost to play Reshape, scarifice an artifact.
>
>Search your library for an artifact card with converted mana cost X or less
>and put it into play. Then shuffle your library.

A variant on Transmute Artifact or Tinker.

>If you search for an artifact that has affinity,

the mana cost is what's printed in the upper right-hand corner. The mana cost
is ALWAYS what's printed there; nothing in Magic can change this, and nothing
in Magic can change the converted mana cost of something either.

Affinity changes how much you have to _pay_ to pay this cost; it leaves the
cost itself strictly alone.

>e.g. affinity to artifacts,
>and you have 2 other artifacts in play after sacrificing one to reshape, is
>X the casting cost of the artifact you are searching for or will X be the
>same as its affinity cost? (i.e casting cost subtract 2)

It is the converted mana cost derived from the mana cost printed on the card,
and there isn't anthing that can alter this, including affinity, Medallions,
Gloom, Helm of Awakening, Stone Calendar, Sphere of Resistance, etc.

Dave
--
\/David DeLaney posting from dbd@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
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dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) writes:
> the mana cost is what's printed in the upper right-hand corner. The
> mana cost is ALWAYS what's printed there; nothing in Magic can
> change this, and nothing in Magic can change the converted mana cost
> of something either.

Just to clarify... I know David knows this, but his statement could be
a little misleading.

The only exception to what David said is copy cards, which *do* copy
the mana cost. This means that if you Clone a Darksteel Colossus and
sacrifice the Clone to Bosh, Iron Golem, Bosh will deal 11 damage to
the targeted creature or player, even though you only see 4 in Clone's
physical upper-right corner. (Although it seems like there was
probably a simpler example than that somewhere.) Plus, you'd get to
shuffle Clone back into your library.

,----[ Magic Comprehensive Rules ]
| 503.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values
| of the original object's characteristics (name, mana cost, color,
| type, supertype, subtype, expansion symbol, rules text, power, and
| toughness)
`----

,----[ Oracle ]
| Clone
| {3}{U}
| Creature -- Clone
| 0/0
| As Clone comes into play, you may choose a creature in play. If you
| do, Clone comes into play as a copy of that creature.
|
| Darksteel Colossus
| {11}
| Artifact Creature
| 11/11
| Trample
| Darksteel Colossus is indestructible. ("Destroy" effects and lethal
| damage don't destroy it.)
| If Darksteel Colossus would be put into a graveyard from anywhere,
| reveal Darksteel Colossus and shuffle it into its owner's library
| instead.
|
| Bosh, Iron Golem
| {8}
| Artifact Creature -- Golem Legend
| 6/7
| Trample
| {3}{R}, Sacrifice an artifact: Bosh, Iron Golem deals damage equal
| to the sacrificed artifact's converted mana cost to target creature
| or player.
`----

--
Peter C.
"The dinosaur track shall be the fossil or fossil emblem of the
commonwealth."
-- Mass. General Law, Chapter 2, Section 17.
 
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Peter Cooper Jr. <pete@cooper.homedns.org> wrote:
>dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) writes:
>> the mana cost is what's printed in the upper right-hand corner. The
>> mana cost is ALWAYS what's printed there; nothing in Magic can
>> change this, and nothing in Magic can change the converted mana cost
>> of something either.
>
>Just to clarify... I know David knows this, but his statement could be
>a little misleading.
>
>The only exception to what David said is copy cards, which *do* copy
>the mana cost.

Oh, right. They don't change the printed values... but they -do- change
the 'copiable values', which if they're different overwrite what's
actually written on the card.

But then note that the only way to change them again is to become a copy
of something ELSE, as Doppelganger or Unstable/Volrath's Shapeshifter can
do ... or to -stop- being a copy of whatever it's copying, which generally
only happens once it leaves the zone it's in and reverts to 'normal'.

>This means that if you Clone a Darksteel Colossus and
>sacrifice the Clone to Bosh, Iron Golem, Bosh will deal 11 damage to
>the targeted creature or player, even though you only see 4 in Clone's
>physical upper-right corner. (Although it seems like there was
>probably a simpler example than that somewhere.)

No, Clone's about as simple as the copy cards get.

Note that Clone doesn't pick what to copy until it's coming into play,
so while you're casting it? It's just a 3U / cmc=4 spell, and can be
Spell Blasted for 4U. Similarly, anything else that can be a copy
while in play (or, using Ertai's Meddling, Storm, etc., a copy on the
stack) only gets the copied values where it -is- a copy, and is Just
An Ordinary Card anywhere it's not being a copy - a Clone card in your
graveyard has mana cost 3U and cmc 4, for example.

>Plus, you'd get to shuffle Clone back into your library.

Right, because it would also have a copy of the Colossus' replacement-effect
ability, at the time that matters for this (just before it -does- get taken
out of play).

Dave
--
\/David DeLaney posting from dbd@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
 
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Andrew Quinn sez:

<<
>Just had a question about the card Reshape:
>
>Reshape - XUU
>
>As an additional cost to play Reshape, scarifice an artifact.
>
>
>Search your library for an artifact card with converted mana cost X or less
>and put it into play. Then shuffle your library.
>
>
>
>If you search for an artifact that has affinity, e.g. affinity to artifacts,
>and you have 2 other artifacts in play after sacrificing one to reshape, is
>X the casting cost of the artifact you are searching for or will X be the
>same as its affinity cost? (i.e casting cost subtract 2)
>
>>

Whenever a spell looks for the converted mana cost, it's always looking at the
number in the upper right hand corner. Affinity only affects how you play
(cast) the card. So if you pay 5UU, you can't search for a Myr Enforcer and put
it into play; you have to pay 7UU to search for it...


----
"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."
--Sigmund Freud
"Sometimes a cake is just a cake."
--Deanna Troi, Star Trek: TNG: "Phantasms"
 
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"Risser Family" <news@nospam.com> writes:
> So, I can Reshape for a Shifting Wall for just UU? Because it's casting
> cost is X, which translates to 0 in hand/library.
> Correct?

,----[ Oracle ]
| Reshape
| {X}{U}{U}
| Sorcery
| As an additional cost to play Reshape, sacrifice an artifact.
| Search your library for an artifact card with converted mana cost X
| or less and put it into play. Then shuffle your library.
|
| Shifting Wall
| {X}
| Artifact Creature -- Wall
| 0/0
| (Walls can't attack.)
| Shifting Wall comes into play with X +1/+1 counters on it.
`----

Yes. If you play Reshape with X=0 (paying UU and sacrificing an
artifact), you may pull Shifting Wall out of your library and put it
into play. Shifting Wall comes into play with X +1/+1 counters on it,
and X is 0 here. Therefore, it will enter play as a 0/0 and die
immediately unless you have something keeping its toughness higher
than 0 (such as a Glorious Anthem in play).

--
Peter C.
"When you personally get an IP address, it's time to let go of the wire."
 
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So, I can Reshape for a Shifting Wall for just UU? Because it's casting
cost is X, which translates to 0 in hand/library.
Correct?
***
Shifting Wall {X}
Artifact Creature -- Wall 0/0
Stronghold Uncommon
- (Walls can't attack.)
- Shifting Wall comes into play with X +1/+1 counters on it.
***


Peter


"David DeLaney" <dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com> wrote in message
news:slrnc7ea0c.clf.dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com...
> On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 15:53:30 +0100, Andrew Quinn <x@blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote:
> >Just had a question about the card Reshape:
> >
> >Reshape - XUU
> >
> >As an additional cost to play Reshape, scarifice an artifact.
> >
> >Search your library for an artifact card with converted mana cost X or
less
> >and put it into play. Then shuffle your library.
>
> A variant on Transmute Artifact or Tinker.
>
> >If you search for an artifact that has affinity,
>
> the mana cost is what's printed in the upper right-hand corner. The mana
cost
> is ALWAYS what's printed there; nothing in Magic can change this, and
nothing
> in Magic can change the converted mana cost of something either.
>
> Affinity changes how much you have to _pay_ to pay this cost; it leaves
the
> cost itself strictly alone.
>
> >e.g. affinity to artifacts,
> >and you have 2 other artifacts in play after sacrificing one to reshape,
is
> >X the casting cost of the artifact you are searching for or will X be the
> >same as its affinity cost? (i.e casting cost subtract 2)
>
> It is the converted mana cost derived from the mana cost printed on the
card,
> and there isn't anthing that can alter this, including affinity,
Medallions,
> Gloom, Helm of Awakening, Stone Calendar, Sphere of Resistance, etc.
>
> Dave
> --
> \/David DeLaney posting from dbd@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the
flower
> It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone
to see
> Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET
VRbeable<BLINK>
> http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all
CAPS! --K.
 
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Risser Family wrote:

> So, I can Reshape for a Shifting Wall for just UU? Because it's casting
> cost is X, which translates to 0 in hand/library.
> Correct?
> ***
> Shifting Wall {X}
> Artifact Creature -- Wall 0/0
> Stronghold Uncommon
> - (Walls can't attack.)
> - Shifting Wall comes into play with X +1/+1 counters on it.
> ***
>
>
Yes. The Shifting Wall will then immediately die as a state-based
effect, since its "X" is zero, and it therefore gets no counters.

--
Christopher Mattern

"Which one you figure tracked us?"
"The ugly one, sir."
"...Could you be more specific?"
 
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:36:30 GMT, Risser Family <news@nospam.com> wrote:
>So, I can Reshape for a Shifting Wall for just UU? Because it's casting
>cost is X, which translates to 0 in hand/library.

Yes.

>Correct?

Correct. Ditto for Phyrexian Marauder, the other X-cost spell. Xs _in a mana
cost_ only have a "visible value" while a card's on the stack.

Dave
--
\/David DeLaney posting from dbd@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
 
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