Review: Audio Power Amplifier Handbook, Self

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Detector195 wrote:

> oatteaseffen@hotmail.com (Paul) wrote in message news:<462bba80.0411111654.688f1858@posting.google.com>...
> > Bipolar Transistor Power Amplifier Bible
> >
> > I can't imagine a better book about push-pull, audio bipolar power
> > amplifiers. Self covers virtually every possible configuration with
> > circuits, notes, simulations and measurements. This book includes an
> > excellent chapter on power, heat and reliability based on many years
> > of design , manufacturing and field service. He is truly an expert in
> > all aspects of this amplifier topology.
> > He doesn't hide his disdain for MOSFETS, single-ended amplifiers and
> > other "subjectivist" high-end concerns. Contrary to the findings of
> > many others in this field, Self finds Total Harmonic Distortion the
> > only measurement of amplifier quality that matters. He isn't
> > convincing to this reviewer.
> >
> > A "must have" book for anyone designing audio power amplifiers.
>
> Does this bible include IC power amps? Below 100 Watts, is there any
> reason to do it with discrete transistors these days? The MOSFET
> designs I have looked at all required relatively high power supply
> voltages, i.e. they were inefficient. A pair of LM3886's in bridge
> mode seems like the way to go.

The Mosfet designs simply need a decent drive voltage for their enhancement mode output devices. This can be
done by running the previous voltage gain stage off a slightly higher voltage than the mail rails at mere
milliamps. It has other benefits too - such as avoiding saturating the drivers and results in lower Miller
capacitance effects in the drivers.


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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:57:41 +0000, Paul Dormer <signal@lineone.not>
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>>I'm always cute, so the girls tell me :)
>
>That's highly implausible. Since when was Rab C Nesbitt cute?

Never, but I'm much more Sean Connery............. :)
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:18:31 +0000, Pooh Bear
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>Detector195 wrote:
>
>> oatteaseffen@hotmail.com (Paul) wrote in message news:<462bba80.0411111654.688f1858@posting.google.com>...
>> > Bipolar Transistor Power Amplifier Bible
>> >
>> > I can't imagine a better book about push-pull, audio bipolar power
>> > amplifiers. Self covers virtually every possible configuration with
>> > circuits, notes, simulations and measurements. This book includes an
>> > excellent chapter on power, heat and reliability based on many years
>> > of design , manufacturing and field service. He is truly an expert in
>> > all aspects of this amplifier topology.
>> > He doesn't hide his disdain for MOSFETS, single-ended amplifiers and
>> > other "subjectivist" high-end concerns. Contrary to the findings of
>> > many others in this field, Self finds Total Harmonic Distortion the
>> > only measurement of amplifier quality that matters. He isn't
>> > convincing to this reviewer.
>> >
>> > A "must have" book for anyone designing audio power amplifiers.
>>
>> Does this bible include IC power amps? Below 100 Watts, is there any
>> reason to do it with discrete transistors these days? The MOSFET
>> designs I have looked at all required relatively high power supply
>> voltages, i.e. they were inefficient. A pair of LM3886's in bridge
>> mode seems like the way to go.
>
>The Mosfet designs simply need a decent drive voltage for their enhancement mode output devices. This can be
>done by running the previous voltage gain stage off a slightly higher voltage than the mail rails at mere
>milliamps. It has other benefits too - such as avoiding saturating the drivers and results in lower Miller
>capacitance effects in the drivers.

Indeed so, and I recall designing just such an amplifier in the late
'70s. Worked pretty well, and had less than 0.1% IMD up to 90kHz. The
multiple rails would probably prove too expensive for a commercial
unit, however.
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Stewart Pinkerton <patent3@dircon.co.uk> said:

>>The Mosfet designs simply need a decent drive voltage for their enhancement mode output devices. This can be
>>done by running the previous voltage gain stage off a slightly higher voltage than the mail rails at mere
>>milliamps. It has other benefits too - such as avoiding saturating the drivers and results in lower Miller
>>capacitance effects in the drivers.

>Indeed so, and I recall designing just such an amplifier in the late
>'70s. Worked pretty well, and had less than 0.1% IMD up to 90kHz. The
>multiple rails would probably prove too expensive for a commercial
>unit, however.

Why not? Most NADs using soft clipping have multiple supply rails.
And you can't accuse NAD for being expensive.......

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>>>I'm always cute, so the girls tell me :)
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>>That's highly implausible. Since when was Rab C Nesbitt cute?
>
>Never, but I'm much more Sean Connery............. :)

Me too!

At least.. I'm hankering after a DB9.. :)


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Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:18:31 +0000, Pooh Bear
> <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Detector195 wrote:
> >
> >> oatteaseffen@hotmail.com (Paul) wrote in message news:<462bba80.0411111654.688f1858@posting.google.com>...
> >> > Bipolar Transistor Power Amplifier Bible
> >> >
> >> > I can't imagine a better book about push-pull, audio bipolar power
> >> > amplifiers. Self covers virtually every possible configuration with
> >> > circuits, notes, simulations and measurements. This book includes an
> >> > excellent chapter on power, heat and reliability based on many years
> >> > of design , manufacturing and field service. He is truly an expert in
> >> > all aspects of this amplifier topology.
> >> > He doesn't hide his disdain for MOSFETS, single-ended amplifiers and
> >> > other "subjectivist" high-end concerns. Contrary to the findings of
> >> > many others in this field, Self finds Total Harmonic Distortion the
> >> > only measurement of amplifier quality that matters. He isn't
> >> > convincing to this reviewer.
> >> >
> >> > A "must have" book for anyone designing audio power amplifiers.
> >>
> >> Does this bible include IC power amps? Below 100 Watts, is there any
> >> reason to do it with discrete transistors these days? The MOSFET
> >> designs I have looked at all required relatively high power supply
> >> voltages, i.e. they were inefficient. A pair of LM3886's in bridge
> >> mode seems like the way to go.
> >
> >The Mosfet designs simply need a decent drive voltage for their enhancement mode output devices. This can be
> >done by running the previous voltage gain stage off a slightly higher voltage than the mail rails at mere
> >milliamps. It has other benefits too - such as avoiding saturating the drivers and results in lower Miller
> >capacitance effects in the drivers.
>
> Indeed so, and I recall designing just such an amplifier in the late
> '70s. Worked pretty well, and had less than 0.1% IMD up to 90kHz. The
> multiple rails would probably prove too expensive for a commercial
> unit, however.

My designs using this method have gone into production in the pro-audio sector. It just involves a few more small
gauge turns on the power TX, a small bridge and some small caps.

Yes, it costs extra but it's the only sensible way to drive mosfets. Look at it like this - you get more watts
out for the same main supply rail voltage way more economically than increasing the main rails. Total cost / watt
is probably actually lower. Less dissipation in the output devices too.

I've used the technique for bipolar designs as well.


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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:10:45 +0000, Paul Dormer <signal@lineone.not>
wrote:

>"Stewart Pinkerton" emitted :
>
>>>>I'm always cute, so the girls tell me :)
>>>
>>>That's highly implausible. Since when was Rab C Nesbitt cute?
>>
>>Never, but I'm much more Sean Connery............. :)
>
>Me too!
>
>At least.. I'm hankering after a DB9.. :)

OK, I take back every bad thing I may ever have said about you. Anyone
who loves the DB9 can't be all bad! :)
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"Stewart Pinkerton" <patent3@dircon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:10:45 +0000, Paul Dormer <signal@lineone.not>
> wrote:
>
>> "Stewart Pinkerton" emitted :
>>
>>>>> I'm always cute, so the girls tell me :)
>>>>
>>>> That's highly implausible. Since when was Rab C Nesbitt cute?
>>>
>>> Never, but I'm much more Sean Connery............. :)
>>
>> Me too!
>>
>> At least.. I'm hankering after a DB9.. :)
>
> OK, I take back every bad thing I may ever have said about you. Anyone
> who loves the DB9 can't be all bad! :)

About as close to owning a DB9 that Dormer will ever get is a serial port.
 
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:33:26 +0000, Pooh Bear
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:18:31 +0000, Pooh Bear
>> <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Detector195 wrote:
>> >
>> >> oatteaseffen@hotmail.com (Paul) wrote in message news:<462bba80.0411111654.688f1858@posting.google.com>...
>> >> > Bipolar Transistor Power Amplifier Bible
>> >> >
>> >> > I can't imagine a better book about push-pull, audio bipolar power
>> >> > amplifiers. Self covers virtually every possible configuration with
>> >> > circuits, notes, simulations and measurements. This book includes an
>> >> > excellent chapter on power, heat and reliability based on many years
>> >> > of design , manufacturing and field service. He is truly an expert in
>> >> > all aspects of this amplifier topology.
>> >> > He doesn't hide his disdain for MOSFETS, single-ended amplifiers and
>> >> > other "subjectivist" high-end concerns. Contrary to the findings of
>> >> > many others in this field, Self finds Total Harmonic Distortion the
>> >> > only measurement of amplifier quality that matters. He isn't
>> >> > convincing to this reviewer.
>> >> >
>> >> > A "must have" book for anyone designing audio power amplifiers.
>> >>
>> >> Does this bible include IC power amps? Below 100 Watts, is there any
>> >> reason to do it with discrete transistors these days? The MOSFET
>> >> designs I have looked at all required relatively high power supply
>> >> voltages, i.e. they were inefficient. A pair of LM3886's in bridge
>> >> mode seems like the way to go.
>> >
>> >The Mosfet designs simply need a decent drive voltage for their enhancement mode output devices. This can be
>> >done by running the previous voltage gain stage off a slightly higher voltage than the mail rails at mere
>> >milliamps. It has other benefits too - such as avoiding saturating the drivers and results in lower Miller
>> >capacitance effects in the drivers.
>>
>> Indeed so, and I recall designing just such an amplifier in the late
>> '70s. Worked pretty well, and had less than 0.1% IMD up to 90kHz. The
>> multiple rails would probably prove too expensive for a commercial
>> unit, however.
>
>My designs using this method have gone into production in the pro-audio sector. It just involves a few more small
>gauge turns on the power TX, a small bridge and some small caps.

Good point, that seems an excellent cost-effective solution.
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"Detector195" <Detector195@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Does this bible include IC power amps? Below 100 Watts, is there any
> reason to do it with discrete transistors these days? The MOSFET
> designs I have looked at all required relatively high power supply
> voltages, i.e. they were inefficient. A pair of LM3886's in bridge
> mode seems like the way to go.

Seems to be pretty standard in most of the active speakers made in teh last
ten years, for tweeters.

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"Stewart Pinkerton" emitted :

>>>>>I'm always cute, so the girls tell me :)
>>>>
>>>>That's highly implausible. Since when was Rab C Nesbitt cute?
>>>
>>>Never, but I'm much more Sean Connery............. :)
>>
>>Me too!
>>
>>At least.. I'm hankering after a DB9.. :)
>
>OK, I take back every bad thing I may ever have said about you. Anyone
>who loves the DB9 can't be all bad! :)

Correct, Stewart..

How about that Vanquish V12? Excuse me whilst I faint.. ;-)

BTW Didn't you say you went to school with Connery? He used to live a
couple of miles from here. Pretty modest house, too. Small world
innit..


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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:18:00 -0500, "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com>
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>"Stewart Pinkerton" <patent3@dircon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:c31lp0l0uilg2gd2i7fmivt3q0la40jbko@4ax.com
>> On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:10:45 +0000, Paul Dormer <signal@lineone.not>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Stewart Pinkerton" emitted :
>>>
>>>>>> I'm always cute, so the girls tell me :)
>>>>>
>>>>> That's highly implausible. Since when was Rab C Nesbitt cute?
>>>>
>>>> Never, but I'm much more Sean Connery............. :)
>>>
>>> Me too!
>>>
>>> At least.. I'm hankering after a DB9.. :)
>>
>> OK, I take back every bad thing I may ever have said about you. Anyone
>> who loves the DB9 can't be all bad! :)
>
>About as close to owning a DB9 that Dormer will ever get is a serial port.

LOL - good lateral thinking! :)
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"Stewart Pinkerton" emitted :

>>>>>>> I'm always cute, so the girls tell me :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's highly implausible. Since when was Rab C Nesbitt cute?
>>>>>
>>>>> Never, but I'm much more Sean Connery............. :)
>>>>
>>>> Me too!
>>>>
>>>> At least.. I'm hankering after a DB9.. :)
>>>
>>> OK, I take back every bad thing I may ever have said about you. Anyone
>>> who loves the DB9 can't be all bad! :)
>>
>>About as close to owning a DB9 that Dormer will ever get is a serial port.
>
>LOL - good lateral thinking! :)

I don't have friends with boats.. but I do have friends with DB9's.


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