[SOLVED] RGB keyboard question!

[elbubsio]

Hi all,

I'm looking to buy a fancy new RGB keyboard and have been looking around at various models. However, I've noticed that many of them seem to have the 'bar' enter key setup on the 3rd row (I believe this is called an ANSI setup) as opposed to the inverted L shaped one (102 ISO) that are more common on normal UK keyboards.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...board_Layout_Diagram_with_Form_Factor.svg.png

Is this a new trend for keyboards in general or just something that RGB keyboards are doing to feel 'different'?

I've also seen a few for sale on various websites where they show one picture with the ANSI setup and then another with the ISO. So is the enter key on some keyboards interchangeable to do that or are they different models and it's just lazy websites using pictures with ANSI layouts?

Finally, if anyone can recommend a decent keyboard, I'd appreciate it. It must:

1. Use the ISO layout
2. Be RGB, with the ability to display all one colour, preferably with a choice of colours.
3. Not bothered if it's mechanical or not (I've never used a mech keyboard), but if it is mechanical, preferably nothing with super loud clicks as I share a small flat with someone and don't want to annoy them 😡
4. Must be a full keyboard with a numpad
5. A good price to quality. Something sturdy for a max of £50 would be great.
6. A few media buttons along the top or something is fine, but no macro keys on either side as desk space is limited.

The best 've found so far is the Riotoro ghostwriter classic, but a few more choice would be appreciated.

https://www.riotoro.com/ghostwriter-classic

Thankee muchly 😀

 

[CountMike]

Hi all,

I'm looking to buy a fancy new RGB keyboard and have been looking around at various models. However, I've noticed that many of them seem to have the 'bar' enter key setup on the 3rd row (I believe this is called an ANSI setup) as opposed to the inverted L shaped one (102 ISO) that are more common on normal UK keyboards.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...board_Layout_Diagram_with_Form_Factor.svg.png

Is this a new trend for keyboards in general or just something that RGB keyboards are doing to feel 'different'?

I've also seen a few for sale on various websites where they show one picture with the ANSI setup and then another with the ISO. So is the enter key on some keyboards interchangeable to do that or are they different models and it's just lazy websites using pictures with ANSI layouts?

Finally, if anyone can recommend a decent keyboard, I'd appreciate it. It must:

1. Use the ISO layout
2. Be RGB, with the ability to display all one colour, preferably with a choice of colours.
3. Not bothered if it's mechanical or not (I've never used a mech keyboard), but if it is mechanical, preferably nothing with super loud clicks as I share a small flat with someone and don't want to annoy them 😡
4. Must be a full keyboard with a numpad
5. A good price to quality. Something sturdy for a max of £50 would be great.
6. A few media buttons along the top or something is fine, but no macro keys on either side as desk space is limited.

The best 've found so far is the Riotoro ghostwriter classic, but a few more choice would be appreciated.

https://www.riotoro.com/ghostwriter-classic

Thankee muchly 😀

Keyboard layout has nothing to do with it being RGB or not.

 

[elbubsio]

Keyboard layout has nothing to do with it being RGB or not.

Yes, I'm aware of that. I was simply wondering whether it's something that RGB keyboards tend to do more than normal ones as a gimmick or something to make them stand out and therefore hopefully appeal to people who like that sort of thing (ooh look, my keyboard not only has RGB but also a weird layout, aren't I cool). If so, can the keys be changed back to the regular setup as some of the pictures on sites may imply?

 

[CountMike]

Yes, I'm aware of that. I was simply wondering whether it's something that RGB keyboards tend to do more than normal ones as a gimmick or something to make them stand out and therefore hopefully appeal to people who like that sort of thing (ooh look, my keyboard not only has RGB but also a weird layout, aren't I cool). If so, can the keys be changed back to the regular setup as some of the pictures on sites may imply?

Like any other keyboards, lighted ones are also made with keys for specific marked and country. Also on most, specially with (semi)mechanical buttons can be taken out and change their places. Most common are QWERTY and QWERTZ where you can change places of Z and Y.
Others can have special characters for local languages.

 

[BogdanH]

Keyboards with L-shaped Enter key are meant for EU market (or maybe elsewhere), while keyboards with rectangular Enter key are meant for US market (or elsewhere). Anyway, if there's a difference in Enter key shape, you will notice symbol characters are also positioned differently.
You might think "no big deal if Enter has different shape" (compared to what you have used so far). But I can tell from my own experience it's not that easy as you might think! -you will keep hitting wrong key instead of Enter.

where you can change places of Z and Y

-not really. Even keycaps seems to be all equal at first sight, that's not the case. Keycaps on Z-key row have different shape than those where Y-key is. And if you switch those two keys, one will protrude out and the other will be lower (compared to the whole row) -I'm talking from experience.

In short, get keyboard that has layout as close as possible compared to your current keyboard.

 

[CountMike]

Keyboards with L-shaped Enter key are meant for EU market (or maybe elsewhere), while keyboards with rectangular Enter key are meant for US market (or elsewhere). Anyway, if there's a difference in Enter key shape, you will notice symbol characters are also positioned differently.
You might think "no big deal if Enter has different shape" (compared to what you have used so far). But I can tell from my own experience it's not that easy as you might think! -you will keep hitting wrong key instead of Enter.


-not really. Even keycaps seems to be all equal at first sight, that's not the case. Keycaps on Z-key row have different shape than those where Y-key is. And if you switch those two keys, one will protrude out and the other will be lower (compared to the whole row) -I'm talking from experience.

In short, get keyboard that has layout as close as possible compared to your current keyboard.

I'm talking from experience too. My https://www.ctshop.rs/jetion-jt-dkb009-gejmerksa-tastatura.html has all letter, number and function keys interchangeable Obviously, changing a key's position is not going to change what it prints on screen, you need to set appropriate key code.

 

[BogdanH]

@CountMike
I don't think you actually tried to switch Y and Z keycaps. From few Jetion images I could find, I'm pretty sure whole top of the keyboard is curved, while bottom (case) is flat (which is how most modern mechanical keyboards are designed) -hence impossible Z and Y keycaps have exactly same size/shape.

Here's an example of what I mean (my keyboard):

There's always possibility that I'm wrong, though

 

[CountMike]

@CountMike
I don't think you actually tried to switch Y and Z keycaps. From few Jetion images I could find, I'm pretty sure whole top of the keyboard is curved, while bottom (case) is flat (which is how most modern mechanical keyboards are designed) -hence impossible Z and Y keycaps have exactly same size/shape.

Here's an example of what I mean (my keyboard):

There's always possibility that I'm wrong, though

It's quite possible that you are wrong, I'm just typing from it.

 

[elbubsio]

Thanks for the replies. So from what you're both saying, it would seem it's a case of online stores being lazy and just putting up pictures with a US layout, but if I buy it, it will come with UK layout. Is that correct?

 

[RyzenNoob]

As far as I know, there is no ISO setup in keyboards, because each country has their own character set, which makes laying the keys the same, difficult. Some countries have multiple languages, which making an ISO setup impossible. ISO stands for International Standard Organisation. Apple computers uses the US standard keyboard on all their MacBooks and keyboards for their Mac computers

 

[elbubsio]

As far as I know, there is no ISO setup in keyboards, because each country has their own character set, which makes laying the keys the same, difficult. Some countries have multiple languages, which making an ISO setup impossible. ISO stands for International Standard Organisation. Apple computers uses the US standard keyboard on all their MacBooks and keyboards for their Mac computers

Forgive me if I got the terminology wrong there. I've looked into the various layouts due to this question and according to wikipedia and a couple of other sites I found, the US layout is called ANSI and the UK layout is called ISO102. I just went with what they said

 

[BogdanH]

being lazy and just putting up pictures with a US layout, but if I buy it, it will come with UK layout. Is that correct?

If you buy from UK online store, then you will (probably) get UK layout. Still, I recommend to check product description!

 

[elbubsio]

That would be my guess too. I just thought I'd check on here if anyone knew for sure, but I guess I'll have to roll the dice and hope that's the case. I've contacted a couple of stores so I'll wait to hear back from them and see where to go from there.

Thanks for the help everyone