News RTX 3060 Appears on Steam's Hardware Survey, RX 6000 Series Still Nowhere in Sight

[Admin]

Nvidia's newest RTX 3060 has appeared on the Steam's Hardware survey program, but why are none of AMD's competing RTX 6000 GPUs on the chart?

RTX 3060 Appears on Steam's Hardware Survey, RX 6000 Series Still Nowhere in Sight : Read more

 

[spongiemaster]

Because AMD isn't selling them. They make far more money from using their wafers for Epyc CPU's than GPU's. Makes all the sense in the world to prioritize CPU's and blame the lack of GPU availability on mining.

 

[Heat_Fan89]

Price is also a problem because I entered the Newegg Shuffle for a RTX 3060 and if I had won it, it would have cost $399. In today's Shuffle an RX 6700XT is $849 just for the card itself.

 

[bigdragon]

Looks like Nvidia has had some success getting their initial RTX 30-series product launches into the hands of some gamers. After the initial launch, the numbers appear to fall off significantly for each product. I would assume that AMD is having the same issue on a smaller scale due to less production and less stock at launch. Their smaller launches don't appear to be significant enough to cause a blip in the survey results -- not good!

The Steam survey results show that both Nvidia and AMD are having major problems getting their hardware into the hands of gamers. Scalpers and miners are clearly winning. In fact, miners appear to be the bulk of scalpers' business.

 

[Eximo]

Always the underdog, and not having any mid-range GPUs, that will do it.

When your cheapest current gen offering is limited to only the premium high end models, that is going to happen.

Also alternatives to Steam. You'll have people that spend all their time in Epic or Origin...

 

[Giroro]

One other thing of note is that the "Other" category increased by +0.31% , which would include all models of RX 6000 cards combined; This gives you some idea of scale.

But that number is also affected by people buying/trying to game on weird cards overlooked they buy on ebay (like workstation graphics). Also people on uncommon cards will have exited the "other" category as they can get something more popular.

Compare that to something like the GTX 1650, which increased by +0.21%. It is possible, and perhaps even likely, that more gamers have been able to start playing on a GTX 1650 than on any particular RX 6000 model (or on the RTX 3060). I don't think the1650 is even being manufactured right now. Although, I think Nvidia may have started producing that same basic GPU for mining cards.

 

[hotaru.hino]

Keep in mind that most of these cards are likely coming from pre-built systems. A cursory glance on some stores at the more "affordable" price range of around $800-$1200 give you mostly midrange cards.

As much as we all like to think the DIY market is the majority in PC gaming, it really isn't.

 

[Olle P]

Because AMD isn't selling them. ... using their wafers for Epyc CPU's ...

I'd say you're (mostly) wrong, and there are other factors playing a much bigger rôle:

• It's true that Epyc gets priority, but Radeon GPUs are still produced (and fly off the shelves) at about twice the rate of prior GPU production.
• The RDNA2 cards haven't been on sale for very long.
• The number of Steam users have gone up when more people stay home and find computer gaming to be a viable option to going out. These users (typically) haven't bought the latest Radeons but use their older equipment. The increased number of total users means an increase in diversity of cards in use and a requirement for a higher number of cards with a specific GPU to get on the list.

 

[spongiemaster]

I'd say you're (mostly) wrong, and there are other factors playing a much bigger rôle:

• It's true that Epyc gets priority, but Radeon GPUs are still produced (and fly off the shelves) at about twice the rate of prior GPU production.
• The RDNA2 cards haven't been on sale for very long.
• The number of Steam users have gone up when more people stay home and find computer gaming to be a viable option to going out. These users (typically) haven't bought the latest Radeons but use their older equipment. The increased number of total users means an increase in diversity of cards in use and a requirement for a higher number of cards with a specific GPU to get on the list.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/gpu-pricing-index

In May so far (so not being on sale long is not an argument), twice as many 3070's have been sold on Ebay than all four RDNA2 models combined. 3090's almost outsold all RDNA2 cards combined. 3000 series cards are out selling RDNA2 models by almost 6 to 1. You are entitled to your opinion, but the numbers say you are (mostly) wrong. Unless AMD is offloading all their cards to miners directly, they are not selling them.

 

[Olle P]

... 3000 series cards are out selling RDNA2 models by almost 6 to 1.

That means Nvidia is doing much worse than usual!
Normally Nvidia would outsell AMD by at least 10:1, so if anything it's Nvidia that doesn't sell!

(My point is that AMD do sell cards, way more than usual, it's just not enough to show up in the overall statistics of cards in use. Furthermore the RDNA2 GPUs are pretty crappy for cryptomining, so they're not sold to miners whereas Ampere is great for mining.)

 

[spongiemaster]

That means Nvidia is doing much worse than usual!
Normally Nvidia would outsell AMD by at least 10:1, so if anything it's Nvidia that doesn't sell!

(My point is that AMD do sell cards, way more than usual, it's just not enough to show up in the overall statistics of cards in use. Furthermore the RDNA2 GPUs are pretty crappy for cryptomining, so they're not sold to miners whereas Ampere is great for mining.)

Nvidia has typically held 70-80% market share in recent years. Which would be about 3.5:1 to 4:1. The current 6:1 ratio indicates AMD is producing at a measurably lower rate than they have in recent years compared to the rest of the market. Nvidia has never had 91% market share which would be 10:1.

You're shooting your own argument in the foot by pointing out AMD cards are inferior and less desirable for mining, yet they still can't be found for sale.

 

[Olle P]

Nvidia has typically held 70-80% market share in recent years. ...

When including the ~100% marketshare AMD has in game consoles and Intel's ~95% IGPs.
For consumer level discrete computer graphics Nvidia has had a much higher ratio vs AMD.

 

[Eximo]

When including the ~100% marketshare AMD has in game consoles and Intel's ~95% IGPs.
For consumer level discrete computer graphics Nvidia has had a much higher ratio vs AMD.

Nvidia SoC in the Nintendo Switch, unless you count that as a mobile device.

 

[spongiemaster]

When including the ~100% marketshare AMD has in game consoles and Intel's ~95% IGPs.
For consumer level discrete computer graphics Nvidia has had a much higher ratio vs AMD.

No, I mean Nvidia has had 70-80% of the discrete market. They have about 15% of the overall gpu market, with Intel at 69% and AMD at 17%.

 

[TJ Hooker]

Source that backs up spongiemaster's claims: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/gpu-sales-report-q4-2020-jpr

The only times AMD's dGPU share has dipped below 20% in the last 5 years is in 2018 (probably because of the glut of used AMD cards that hit the market after the crypto bust near the start of the year), and Q4 2020 (presumably because of supply issues and prioritizing CPUs over GPUs).