News RTX 4060 Ti 16GB Roughly 40% Faster Than 8GB at Higher Resolutions

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Not really a big shocker. 8 additional GB is quite a jump, it adds a lot of future-proofing. A new review similar to this one a year from now, but with games (more on the heavy side) that are coming soon should also be very useful.
 
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The thing is that NVIDIA xx60 bracket is not exactly for the 4k resolution and hardly for 1440p cause realisticaly is the xx50 bracket GPU's
 
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Not really a big shocker. 8 additional GB is quite a jump, it adds a lot of future-proofing. A new review similar to this one a year from now, but with games (more on the heavy side) that are coming soon should also be very useful.
still nerfed by the bus speed .. personally anyone looking for a lower tier card should keep a look out for the 7800xt and see what price and performance ..
I have a feeling the 7800xt is going to be a far better card than the 4060 16gb !!
And could also ( fingers crossed ) be cheaper or match the price of the 4060 16gb !!
 

Turns Out, DLSS 3 Frame Gen Consumes Extra VRAM​


ah yes lets focus on lowering the bus speed of a "mid" (more like entry in reality) gaming gpu, refuse to give it proper vram (on 8), and make dlss 3 frame gen a "recommended"feature but also it uses up some of that precious vram.

more ppl dig into 4060 tier the more i think nvidia has lost their minds.
 

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ah yes lets focus on lowering the bus speed of a "mid" (more like entry in reality) gaming gpu, refuse to give it proper vram (on 8), and make dlss 3 frame gen a "recommended"feature but also it uses up some of that precious vram.

more ppl dig into 4060 tier the more i think nvidia has lost their minds.
Nvidia hasnt lost their minds their doing what Nvidia does BEST screw their customers over by selling junk forcing people to upgrade to better GPU's to make them more and more money ..

All the while riding off the GOOD WILL of ( i personally think idiots ) fanboys and the market share they have gained over the generations !!

AMD has done some not so consumer friendly stuff as well so ( while i like AMD stuff ) im not totally blind to their BS either ..
but AMD are gaining consumer trust ( even if they sometimes take 1 step forward 2 steps back at times )

Intel are up and coming in the GPU sector and i believe with there level of support shown with the ARC GPU's they are in it to win..
 

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Nvidia hasnt lost their minds their doing what Nvidia does BEST screw their customers over by selling junk forcing people to upgrade to better GPU's to make them more and more money ..

All the while riding off the GOOD WILL of ( i personally think idiots ) fanboys and the market share they have gained over the generations !!

AMD has done some not so consumer friendly stuff as well so ( while i like AMD stuff ) im not totally blind to their BS either ..
but AMD are gaining consumer trust ( even if they sometimes take 1 step forward 2 steps back at times )

Intel are up and coming in the GPU sector and i believe with there level of support shown with the ARC GPU's they are in it to win..
Sadly AMD are learning all the wrong things from Nvidia, I hope I am wrong but it is looking that way to me.
 

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Sadly AMD are learning all the wrong things from Nvidia, I hope I am wrong but it is looking that way to me.
I think they are doing better but the market dictates what happens ..
7900xt was over priced at release BUT it was always leveled at the 4070ti /4080 12gb till Nvidia backed out of that due to massive hate ..
AMD used that to upsell their 7900xtx so yeah a bit shifty ..

As for pricing of the cards yeah in a perfect world AMD would have charged $200 usd less on all there cards BUT that has a positive and negative effect.. positive cheaper/ negative cheaper so whats wrong with them they need to price match with the competition !!

the 7600 like anything 8gb is just plain disgusting for a GPU in 2023 ..

But lets look at the positives the 7900xtx is cheaper and better ( excluding rt ) than the 4080
the 7900xt is a better and NOW cheaper than the 4070ti

the 7800xt should be aimed at the 4060 16gb.. if the price point is good then we have a 4060 16gb beater ..

personally i believe the 4070 was released only to sell more 4070ti's

The lower 4060s were released to upsell the 4060 16gb

where as ( apart once again the 7600 ) the AMD line up has been on point ( AMD could have dropped the 7900xt price as soon as the 4070 ti released ) but they have matched / beat Nvidia at every turn ..

they did NEED a 4090 competitor at release which cost them !!

what AMD do in the cpu market is on them when Intel are behind in almost every sector ( AMD owns consoles , server soon to be apu's with strix point, handhelds are gaining market share ) when you have that clout AMD can do what they want like Nvidia does with there GPU market !!

I liken it to Sony VS Xbox
Sony have the better selling console better / more exclusives they will try to protect that lead at all costs by doing somewhat less than consumer friendly stuff !!
 

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It’s almost like a lot of people here but nvidia apologists mentioned this.

It’s pathetic that a card comes with only 8 GB of RAM in 2023.
Look, a $500 card with tons of vram will not perform nearly as well as a $800 card with the same amount of vram.

Vram is nice, but you do need the gpu horsepower to go along with it or it's a waste IMHO.
 
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Sadly AMD are learning all the wrong things from Nvidia, I hope I am wrong but it is looking that way to me.
If AMD learned the wrong things from Nvidia, it would be an improvement IMHO.

Considering they are now rumored to be scrapping high end cards on the 8000 series, I don't think they are learning anything from Nvidia.
 

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The 4060Ti is obviously intentionally crippled.
NVidia clearly didn't want to repeat the "mistake" they made with the 3060TI (close to 70 class performance)

A 450 dollar 4060Ti 12GB would be good enough for most people for 1080P/1440P gaming
Frame generation would actually be usable without the rather bad DLSS balanced upscaling
It would probably reduce sales of 4070s from their already low levels, but it would give 3060Ti and 3070 owners a reason to upgrade

I really wish that AMD had learned from its own marketing (8GB is inadequate) and put 12GB on the 7600
Even with a 270 dollar MSRP, it would be a significantly better choice than the 4060 or 4060Ti
 
Look, a $500 card with tons of vram will not perform nearly as well as a $800 card with the same amount of vram.

Vram is nice, but you do need the gpu horsepower to go along with it or it's a waste IMHO.
Isn't the video showing though that at higher resolutions, the card has the hp to utilise the extra ram? Doesn't seem like a waste
 
The 4060Ti is obviously intentionally crippled.
NVidia clearly didn't want to repeat the "mistake" they made with the 3060TI (close to 70 class performance)

A 450 dollar 4060Ti 12GB would be good enough for most people for 1080P/1440P gaming
Frame generation would actually be usable without the rather bad DLSS balanced upscaling
It would probably reduce sales of 4070s from their already low levels, but it would give 3060Ti and 3070 owners a reason to upgrade

I really wish that AMD had learned from its own marketing (8GB is inadequate) and put 12GB on the 7600
Even with a 270 dollar MSRP, it would be a significantly better choice than the 4060 or 4060Ti
Chip binning have nothing to do with crippling. Blame marketing who arrange subpar chip selling for exorbitant prices.
 
Isn't the video showing though that at higher resolutions, the card has the hp to utilise the extra ram? Doesn't seem like a waste

No it doesn't, the frame rates are way to low to be enjoyable. Going from 20 fps to 25 fps would be a 25% increase, and still very uncomfortable to play. The entire 4060 line is deliberately crippled with it's memory bus to prevent it from ever doing well at anything above 1080. NVidia is pushing DLSS so as not to be completely embarrassed at the dog poo they put out and maintain some semblance of plausible deniability. I've recommended everyone to just skip the 40 series entirely, maybe AMD might put out some good value cards, maybe not, we just have to wait for chip manufacturers to realize the crypto craze is over with and they can't expect those insane prices anymore.
 
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No it doesn't, the frame rates are way to lot to be enjoyable. Going from 20 fps to 25 fps would be a 25% increase, and still very uncomfortable to play. The entire 4060 line is deliberately crippled with it's memory bus to prevent it from ever doing well at anything above 1080. NVidia is pushing DLSS so as not to be completely embarrassed at the dog poo they put out and maintain some semblance of plausible deniability. I've recommended everyone to just skip the 40 series entirely, maybe AMD might put out some good value cards, maybe not, we just have to wait for chip manufacturers to realize the crypto craze is over with and they can't expect those insane prices anymore.

Chip manufacturers don't care, they are too busy satisfying the high demand for data centre class compute chips. And both NVidia and AMD are diverting wafer allocations to satisfy that demand, so couldn't care less about low sales of discrete graphics cards.

RTX 5060 will come with 12G of ram, on a 96bit bus... with extra cache and next gen DLSS. Just wait and see...
 

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ah yes lets focus on lowering the bus speed of a "mid" (more like entry in reality) gaming gpu, refuse to give it proper vram (on 8), and make dlss 3 frame gen a "recommended"feature but also it uses up some of that precious vram.

more ppl dig into 4060 tier the more i think nvidia has lost their minds.
I wouldn't call it lost their minds... Just too far ahead without competition to bother with an appropriate product, which nets Jensen a bigger yacht filled with leather jackets!
 

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Isn't the video showing though that at higher resolutions, the card has the hp to utilise the extra ram? Doesn't seem like a waste
Did you check the framerates at 4k (where a ton of vram helps)? Yeah, it's 50% faster, but both are below 30, and useless.

Truth is you need vram and the gpu horsepower to have good gameplay at higher resolutions.