RTX 4060 Ti vs RX 7700 XT faceoff: Which midrange graphics card is superior?

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"These GPUs are some of the more underwhelming SKUs in both the Nvidia and AMD current generation lineups."

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There isn't a case where i would recommend either GPU. The 4060 saves more money and offers almost identical performance. It will lose to the 4060 Ti in benchmarks but in gaming the difference is kinda like that between gen 3, gen 4 and gen 5 NVMe drives. It's there, and on rare occasion it's perceptible. But most of the time the difference is too small to notice.
As both 4060 and 4060 Ti are budget cards, the Ti version just wastes money.

Steam users wouldn't agree as i noticed in the latest survey the 4060, 4070 and 4060 Ti are well represented.
Maybe i'm wrong afterall in thinking that the 4060 Ti is just neither decent nor cheap, and is stuck in the middle of nowhere between 4060 and 4070.

The 7700XT is...
It's $50 cheaper than the 7800XT and that is the best choice of GPU below the 4070 Ti Super. 7900GRE if you can afford it. It's even better and though it costs more, the cost is justified.

The 7700XT... costs less and is worth less. Worthless.
It really is, i'm making bad puns here, but the GPU just isn't worth anyone's time. Get a 7800XT or 7900GRE, or if that's too expensive a 4060. There's nothing in between except two underwhelimng GPUs. Mathematically they may be justified, as the price/performance is kinda there. Being flanked on both sides by much better choices makes these pointless.

EDIT - This is all assuming the prices are what they are today. A shift in prices would change the picture.
 
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"These GPUs are some of the more underwhelming SKUs in both the Nvidia and AMD current generation lineups."

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There isn't a case where i would recommend either GPU. The 4060 saves more money and offers almost identical performance. It will lose to the 4060 Ti in benchmarks but in gaming the difference is kinda like that between gen 3, gen 4 and gen 5 NVMe drives. It's there, and on rare occasion it's perceptible. But most of the time the difference is too small to notice.
As both 4060 and 4060 Ti are budget cards, the Ti version just wastes money.

Steam users wouldn't agree as i noticed in the latest survey the 4060, 4070 and 4060 Ti are well represented.
Maybe i'm wrong afterall in thinking that the 4060 Ti is just neither decent nor cheap, and is stuck in the middle of nowhere between 4060 and 4070.

The 7700XT is...
It's $50 cheaper than the 7800XT and that is the best choice of GPU below the 4070 Ti Super. 7900GRE if you can afford it. It's even better and though it costs more, the cost is justified.

The 7700XT... costs less and is worth less. Worthless.
It really is, i'm making bad puns here, but the GPU just isn't worth anyone's time. Get a 7800XT or 7900GRE, or if that's too expensive a 4060. There's nothing in between except two underwhelimng GPUs. Mathematically they may be justified, as the price/performance is kinda there. Being flanked on both sides by much better choices makes these pointless.

EDIT - This is all assuming the prices are what they are today. A shift in prices would change the picture.

Then you clearly are being a biased. The 7700 XT is not $50 less than a 7800 XT and nVidia has not budged at all with the pricing of the 40 series cards.
 
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Another article with the worst possible choice of colors...Someone please change them back to green for nVidia and red for AMD (and eventually blue for Intel) and mandate those colors be used in every article.

With none of the three cards tested able to do 90fps average at native 1920x1080 full details, performance is effectively equal between them, so that's a wash. The 4060 Ti 8GB wins on price, software and features, and efficiency, so the 4060 Ti 8GB is the winner. if you call $400 for sub 90fps 1920x1080 performance in 2024 "winning".
 

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Another article with the worst possible choice of colors...Someone please change them back to green for nVidia and red for AMD (and eventually blue for Intel) and mandate those colors be used in every article.

With none of the three cards tested able to do 90fps average at native 1920x1080 full details, performance is effectively equal between them, so that's a wash. The 4060 Ti 8GB wins on price, software and features, and efficiency, so the 4060 Ti 8GB is the winner. if you call $400 for sub 90fps 1920x1080 performance in 2024 "winning".
Whilst they can't exceed 90fps, the cards were compared against each other and the 7700xt was superior.

The prices are similar and there seems to be be some negative bias against AMDs software, despite the admission that both Nvidia and AMDs have glitches but work equally well.

I suspect that even if AMD drppoed the price 50%, people would buy the Nvidia card anyway. There always has been a status thing going on with Nvidia. They are the Apple of the graphics card world.
 

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"These GPUs are some of the more underwhelming SKUs in both the Nvidia and AMD current generation lineups."

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There isn't a case where i would recommend either GPU. The 4060 saves more money and offers almost identical performance. It will lose to the 4060 Ti in benchmarks but in gaming the difference is kinda like that between gen 3, gen 4 and gen 5 NVMe drives. It's there, and on rare occasion it's perceptible. But most of the time the difference is too small to notice.
As both 4060 and 4060 Ti are budget cards, the Ti version just wastes money.

Steam users wouldn't agree as i noticed in the latest survey the 4060, 4070 and 4060 Ti are well represented.
Maybe i'm wrong afterall in thinking that the 4060 Ti is just neither decent nor cheap, and is stuck in the middle of nowhere between 4060 and 4070.

The 7700XT is...
It's $50 cheaper than the 7800XT and that is the best choice of GPU below the 4070 Ti Super. 7900GRE if you can afford it. It's even better and though it costs more, the cost is justified.

The 7700XT... costs less and is worth less. Worthless.
It really is, i'm making bad puns here, but the GPU just isn't worth anyone's time. Get a 7800XT or 7900GRE, or if that's too expensive a 4060. There's nothing in between except two underwhelimng GPUs. Mathematically they may be justified, as the price/performance is kinda there. Being flanked on both sides by much better choices makes these pointless.

EDIT - This is all assuming the prices are what they are today. A shift in prices would change the picture.
I don't know where you're shopping, but a quick look at Amazon shows the 7700xt is $100 (20%) cheaper than the 7800xt. The 7800xt is the one that doesn't make any sense now, with the 7900gre being only $20 more with some models. IMO if you're going to spend $100 more, it's insane not to just add $20 and get the GRE.
 

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I don't know where you're shopping, but a quick look at Amazon shows the 7700xt is $100 (20%) cheaper than the 7800xt.
On Amazon they are the same price, it's what i'm seeing.
The 7800xt is the one that doesn't make any sense now, with the 7900gre being only $20 more with some models. IMO if you're going to spend $100 more, it's insane not to just add $20 and get the GRE.
I agree with that. I did not know the 7900GRE was now only $20 more.
I wrote the 7900GRE is the better choice than 7800XT if the budget can stretch to it, Many people who ask for build advice here have a limited budget.

The 7700XT never made sense, the 7800XT was the better choice and better still was 7900GRE. Now as you say, it's the 7800XT that doesn't make sense.
 

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On Amazon they are the same price, it's what i'm seeing.
That's because you're cherry-picking different models to get the result you want. I can do that the other way too:
Sapphire Pulse 7700xt - $400
Powercolor Hellhound 7800xt - $530

Now they're $130 apart. However, if you compare apples to apples....

Powercolor Hellhound 7700xt - $440
Powercolor Hellhound 7800xt - $530
Powercolor Hellhound 7900gre- $550

Now you have the 7700xt at the low end for people who absolutely can't spend more, the 7800xt at "WTF are they thinking", and the GRE at $110 more than the 7700xt. AMD is at a conundrum with the GRE/7800xt, they needed the GRE to combat the Nvidia super, but it has basically pushed the 7800xt out of the market like the Nvidia Supers did to the originals (or would have if Nvidia fanboys weren't retarded and willing to pay way over MSRP).
 
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Neither of these cards. If they are still available, pick up the rx 6800. More vram. The 4060 series is ok for power efficiency but a bit underwhelming performance. Especially since they dialed it back to 8gb of vram after having 12 on the previous model.
Yeah, as someone who owns 2 6800xt's, I agree - the previous gen is still quite valid IF you can get them for a lower price than the current ones. This includes the 6700xt, 6750xt, 6800 and 6800xt. I would avoid the 6900/6950 as the GRE is generally cheaper AND better performing (and much less power hungry). I have seen 6700/6750xt's for around $330 on Amazon, but they are getting harder to find.
 

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That's because you're cherry-picking different models to get the result you want. I can do that the other way too:
Sapphire Pulse 7700xt - $400
Powercolor Hellhound 7800xt - $530

Now they're $130 apart.
I'm not cherry picking, i picked those two almost at random. I did pick one of the cheapest 7800XTs if that's somehow unfair.

And no, you wouldn't go the other way. You wouldn't look at the highest price because no one in their right mind is going to pay highest price.

Here's the prices as they are today: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#sort=price&c=558,559,560
A reasonable price difference between the 7700XT and 7800XT seems to be ~$70.
Based on that, choose or recommend me a 7700XT, 7800XT or 7900GRE based on GPU performance and it's price in the US.
Throw in the 6800XT if you like.

The reason the 7700XT sucks as a choice is not only that it's left for dead by the 7800XT and 7900GRE, but it's also more expensive and not much better than a 4060 vanilla.

For up to $300-325 you can have a 3060 Ti or 4060, maybe for as little as $250-275.
That is a lot of GPU for the money.

The 4060 Ti and 7700XT suck

7800XT and 7900GRE are around $500 and offer a substantial increase in performance for those who can afford the extra $200.
They weren't always $20 apart but now they are the choice is obvious.

If you want to go to the next level, imo that is the 4070 Ti Super.

PS - don't throw the r word around. At best it shows your bias and bad judgement.
 

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PS - don't throw the r word around. At best it shows your bias and bad judgement.
Haha well, I do think it fits people willing to pay $500 more for a 4080 Super over a 7900xtx. That's not the case today, but closer to launch people were paying $1400 for 4080 supers. I'd challenge you to find a better word.

I'm on Team Red ATM for the clear price/performance advantage, but that doesn't mean I hate Nvidia GPUs or fall for the AMD fanboys' dumb comments about them. My best friend recently picked up a 4070ti Super and it's quite impressive, even to me with a 7900xtx. Even more so that he got it for $450, but that's another story.
 
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Is this really what we need for AMD to squeak out a win? 50% more VRAM and noticable better gaming performance? You could count RT if you want but at this level that is more of a "bonus" as the performance hit is significant.

I am also tired of hearing the 8GB Nvidia = 10GB AMD nonsense. Show me a game with muddy textures on AMD 8GB that plays fine on Nvidia 8GB. Nvidia has some wind like efficiency, no need to try to gift them another.
 

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Please continue in creating and having the extensive, very informative and helpful power and efficiency spreadsheet on your gpu reviews. You are the only site i see doing that, it is really useful for us power bill conscious adults. It helped me pick my 4070ti based on that spreadsheet. Thank you!
 

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Haha well, I do think it fits people willing to pay $500 more for a 4080 Super over a 7900xtx. That's not the case today, but closer to launch people were paying $1400 for 4080 supers. I'd challenge you to find a better word.

I'm on Team Red ATM for the clear price/performance advantage, but that doesn't mean I hate Nvidia GPUs or fall for the AMD fanboys' dumb comments about them. My best friend recently picked up a 4070ti Super and it's quite impressive, even to me with a 7900xtx. Even more so that he got it for $450, but that's another story.
My whole thing is this: When buying a GPU, make a leap. Don't make a small step. That's why i look at the 4060 Ti and 7700XT as a bad choice; a step into a dead zone between two better options.

There are a lot of users looking to upgrade from 1060s, RX 580, and stuff like that.
Anything around $175-250, like used 2060s is throwing money away. The 4060's MSRP is $285, real price is higher but it's around $300. That GPU offers a ton of performance for weaker, cheaper PCs and it doesn't need too much power to do it. It's a weak GPU for demanding gaming, but for the low price it's worth it.
A 4060 or 3060 12Gb is a sensible choice.

For anyone willing to spend more and with a PC that can take advantage of higher performance, the next sensible tier or price point is ~$500 This is where the RX 7780TX and 7900GRE can be had.
I don't think the 4070 is worth spending on, this is AMD all the way and both choices are excellent. (Of course, the 7900GRE is better, it just comes down to pricing)
A 4060 exceeds recommended requirements for a lot of popular Steam games, and is good for 1080p and even 1440p gaming, but without a chance of running everything on Ultra. And it shouldn't able to because it's a budget GPU.
7800XT and 7900GRE are probably the sweet spot for 1440p gaming for the money. So if you can afford it, it will be worth it, and i would recommend it.

If you want even more, then leap to the 4070 Ti Super. That is a leap in performance that can be felt! It costs many hundreds of dollars, but it's definetly not in the territory of budget, weak GPUs. It also requires more expensive components and monitor to take advantage of it's capabilities so it's out of reach for many. But it is worth the price, unlike the 2 GPUs reviewed here.

Nvidia and AMD offer them to fill the gap between the $300 and $500 tiers, and for nvidia it worked a treat. The 4060 Ti is well represented on Steam according to their survey. (4060, 3060, 4060 Ti and 4070! are at the top)
But i remain unconvinced.

The 4060 Ti will push 7-8 extra frames and maybe make part of a cloud fluffier as it races through your field of vision but you will not notice that so much. Or at all. Your wallet will notice it.
Spend the extra $100 or so dollars elsewhere in your build! On something like a nicer monitor with faster response time. Or buy a platinum or titanium PSU instead of a clanger unit that whirrs like a fridge. Treat yourself to a PC case that has more room and is nicer to work with, and has better build quality. Get a more durable NVMe or a larger one.
That will make a difference you can feel and improve the quality of your PC.

4060 Ti or 7700XT are neither the leap in GPU firepower the 7800XT/7900GRE are, nor are they as efficient and cheap as a 4060 (115w)
The extra money spent doesn't result in better performance because these two GPU are still basically just as crap as the 4060 when it comes to any demanding game. It's a free gift for nvidia (or AMD).
So it's better spent elsewhere.

Most buyers target the low end, and some of them fall into the trap of spending extra on a pointless GPU like the 4060 Ti or 7700XT.
I would like to discourage them, not crap on anyone's point of view.

but closer to launch people were paying $1400 for 4080 supers
Well that's kind of a weird place to be honestly. It's not a weak GPU at all but probably the worst value of all the 40XX series. I know the 4090 is more expensive but they both cost a handsome ransom. So why buy the worse one?
The 4090 can claim to be the best GPU ever made and it will be a long time before it needs to be upgraded away from. By that point, a totally new PC will be the order of the day.
Looking at just how many years of great performance can be squeezed out of a 4090, it's the best choice for anyone who can actually afford the damn thing.
 
These are the cheapest 7X00xt cards where I am:
PCPartPicker Video Card Comparison

Video CardSapphire PULSE Radeon RX 7700 XT 12 GB Video CardXFX Speedster QICK 319 Core Radeon RX 7800 XT 16 GB Video Card
Price£383.98£459.98
Rating0 Ratings3 Ratings, 4.7 Average
ManufacturerSapphireXFX
Part #11335-04-20GRX-78TQICKF9
ChipsetRadeon RX 7700 XTRadeon RX 7800 XT
Memory12 GB16 GB
Memory TypeGDDR6GDDR6
Core Clock1700 MHz1295 MHz
Boost Clock2544 MHz2430 MHz
InterfacePCIe x16PCIe x16
ColorBlack / RedBlack
Frame SyncFreeSyncFreeSync
Length280 mm335 mm
TDP230 W263 W
Case Expansion Slot Width22
Total Slot Width33
Cooling2 Fans3 Fans
External Power2 PCIe 8-pin2 PCIe 8-pin
DisplayPort 2.1 Outputs3
DisplayPort Outputs2
HDMI 2.1 Outputs1
HDMI Outputs2
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-05-05 00:55 BST+0100

£78 difference in price so around $100. If you are on a budget and the 7700xt fits and the 7800xt doesn't then it makes sense.
 
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My whole thing is this: When buying a GPU, make a leap. Don't make a small step. That's why i look at the 4060 Ti and 7700XT as a bad choice; a step into a dead zone between two better options.

There are a lot of users looking to upgrade from 1060s, RX 580, and stuff like that.
Anything around $175-250, like used 2060s is throwing money away. The 4060's MSRP is $285, real price is higher but it's around $300. That GPU offers a ton of performance for weaker, cheaper PCs and it doesn't need too much power to do it. It's a weak GPU for demanding gaming, but for the low price it's worth it.
A 4060 or 3060 12Gb is a sensible choice.

For anyone willing to spend more and with a PC that can take advantage of higher performance, the next sensible tier or price point is ~$500 This is where the RX 7780TX and 7900GRE can be had.
I don't think the 4070 is worth spending on, this is AMD all the way and both choices are excellent. (Of course, the 7900GRE is better, it just comes down to pricing)
A 4060 exceeds recommended requirements for a lot of popular Steam games, and is good for 1080p and even 1440p gaming, but without a chance of running everything on Ultra. And it shouldn't able to because it's a budget GPU.
7800XT and 7900GRE are probably the sweet spot for 1440p gaming for the money. So if you can afford it, it will be worth it, and i would recommend it.

If you want even more, then leap to the 4070 Ti Super. That is a leap in performance that can be felt! It costs many hundreds of dollars, but it's definetly not in the territory of budget, weak GPUs. It also requires more expensive components and monitor to take advantage of it's capabilities so it's out of reach for many. But it is worth the price, unlike the 2 GPUs reviewed here.

Nvidia and AMD offer them to fill the gap between the $300 and $500 tiers, and for nvidia it worked a treat. The 4060 Ti is well represented on Steam according to their survey. (4060, 3060, 4060 Ti and 4070! are at the top)
But i remain unconvinced.

The 4060 Ti will push 7-8 extra frames and maybe make part of a cloud fluffier as it races through your field of vision but you will not notice that so much. Or at all. Your wallet will notice it.
Spend the extra $100 or so dollars elsewhere in your build! On something like a nicer monitor with faster response time. Or buy a platinum or titanium PSU instead of a clanger unit that whirrs like a fridge. Treat yourself to a PC case that has more room and is nicer to work with, and has better build quality. Get a more durable NVMe or a larger one.
That will make a difference you can feel and improve the quality of your PC.

4060 Ti or 7700XT are neither the leap in GPU firepower the 7800XT/7900GRE are, nor are they as efficient and cheap as a 4060 (115w)
The extra money spent doesn't result in better performance because these two GPU are still basically just as crap as the 4060 when it comes to any demanding game. It's a free gift for nvidia (or AMD).
So it's better spent elsewhere.

Most buyers target the low end, and some of them fall into the trap of spending extra on a pointless GPU like the 4060 Ti or 7700XT.
I would like to discourage them, not crap on anyone's point of view.


Well that's kind of a weird place to be honestly. It's not a weak GPU at all but probably the worst value of all the 40XX series. I know the 4090 is more expensive but they both cost a handsome ransom. So why buy the worse one?
The 4090 can claim to be the best GPU ever made and it will be a long time before it needs to be upgraded away from. By that point, a totally new PC will be the order of the day.
Looking at just how many years of great performance can be squeezed out of a 4090, it's the best choice for anyone who can actually afford the damn thing.
Sounds like you're like me - you like to get the best bang for your buck, but also have enough money not to really have to give a sh-- about spending an extra $200.

But you have to remember, there are also people who are working a crap job or two, living with roommates barely scraping by financially, and while one might argue they should be trying to improve their situation and not playing video games, that's A. none of our damn business and B. everyone likes to unwind their own way, and it might be the ONLY thing they spend money on.... Basically, some people just cannot justify spending $500+ on a GPU, and cards like the ones you poo-poo, while I'm not arguing with you that they aren't the best for the money when money isn't the #1 object, they could be the absolute high end of what some buyers can justify.... and that's really what it comes down to.

For me, that was a 7900xtx. I could afford a 4090, even for both systems I have 7900xtx's in, but I can't justify spending the 1800-2000+ street price on a video card that's not going to come remotely close to doubling my gaming enjoyment in the games I play, once I get past the shock and awe of just how unbelievably fast it is. Scale this down to whatever price range you want - but some people can justify spending $400 tops, and for them, there's the 7700xt and 4060ti.

And that's how the market works for most people.....🤷‍♂️
 
For myself, yes there’s the financial aspect, but also the value for money.

Kind of like even if I could afford say 2k for a 4090, why would I? As you said, are you going to get double enjoyment from that card? But I do get that some folks have financial challenges. I’m with you on that. Right now, I could go to microcenter and pull out a credit card and get a 7900xt/xtx. But why? So I would get a few extra fps but do those few extra fps change my life?

I know I drive my wife nuts at times because if I’m shopping for something I analyze and analyze to try to be sure I’m getting the right thing with the best features for the money. Like if buy a TV for example, I like to look at the brand, resolution, all the tech specs like we would for computer parts. Where my wife would be like just pick one. So you can imagine when it comes to say a graphics card how much I’m looking at stuff.

Personally my pc is

I5 12600kf(got on sale for 140 last year)
MSI z690 pro WiFi (got this open box for 95 last year)
32gb ddr4
AsRock phantom gaming rx 6800xt(got this for 439 last year on a Newegg sale). I looked at the 4070 and 7800xt, keep in mind this was before the 7900gre was released state side. But at the time benchmarks showed it being pretty much the same performance as the 7800xt.

It really comes down to knowing what you have to spend and working within that. But on the other hand, I have been the guy in years past who didn’t have much cash and would try to get used parts etc and rig things to work. So I get it.

In my opinion regarding the 4060 and 7700xt, they are just in a weird place.

If you have a prebuilt or something the 4060 makes sense I suppose due to the power draw. But if you have a custom pc, then as opposed to these, if they are available, I’m looking at previous generation cards like the 6700xt or the 6800.

Not that these are inherently bad cards but their placement in the market could be seen as a bit strange. On the other hand, the 7700xt at say 325 starts looking more interesting if it goes that low.
 
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AsRock Phantom Gaming OC Radeon RX 7700XT - $449-557
Sapphire PULSE Radeon RX 7800 XT - $479-615

Price difference between lowest prices is $30. For highest price it's $55
Newegg is selling the Sapphire Pulse versions of each card for $389.99 and $479.99 respectively with the GRE at $539.98 these are all basically the best prices for each card.
My whole thing is this: When buying a GPU, make a leap. Don't make a small step. That's why i look at the 4060 Ti and 7700XT as a bad choice; a step into a dead zone between two better options.
If you're planning on keeping the card for a while the 7700 XT does make sense as an option due to the 12GB VRAM and assuming price limited. There are already games that can break 8GB of VRAM at 1080/1440 and it's bound to get worse. The 7700 XT is also much faster than the other options with more than 8GB VRAM that are cheaper. I think the 6800 is around the same price, but I'd probably lean towards the 7700 XT still.
 
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