Question RTX 4080 or RTX 3090ti (Future PC Build)

[Gamefreaknet]

Hi. I've been working on a "maxed out" PC build however with the release of the 4080, 4090 etc... the prices are very similar to that of a 3090ti for a 4080 if not cheaper in some cases however after a quick look it mentioned the 4080 could achieve higher clocks and whilst I know barely any games even use the current 8GB Vram (thus this argument might sound strange) is the 24GB on the 3090ti vs the 16GB on the 4080 worth it or should I go for the higher boost and base clocks on the GPU I end up choosing?
Parts list linked (here)
[Price I am aiming for is as close to £3000 as possible and max I intend to spend is £3500]
[If the 13900K drops to £550 (curently around £600) I intend to swap the 12900K for the 13900K]

 

[Darkbreeze]

While the 3090 ti and 4080 have very similar 2d performance, the 4080 has about 17% (On average, depending on card models, clocks, game/benchmark, API (DX11, DX12, etc.)) better 3d performance, which is what really matters for most gamers. Paper specs are nice to know, and some numbers definitely look impressive, but in the end the bottom line is "how does it perform" and the 4080 simply performs better in practically every metric. As stated, the 2d performance isn't terribly different, in fact it's very similar, which means that you lose nothing there by choosing the 4080 but you gain about 15-20% performance in 3d games which is pretty decent for a lower tiered card only separated by a single generation.

PSU requirements will be somewhat similar as well, although actually probably LESS stringent for the 4080 which really only needs a very good 850-1000w PSU while the 3090 ti should be paired with a very good 1000-1200w unit. So that might also save you a few bucks as well.

 

[mjbn1977]

If you can afford it....go with the 4080. Its overall the better card. Better performance, better thermals, better power draw. Future proof with DLSS 3.0.

In regards to the VRAM. 16GB is plenty for now. Don't know what resolution you play, but in 1440p you never ever need that much and even most 4k games don't need that much. more than 16 GB is only interesting if you really try to experiment around with 8k and mega mods in 4k or something like that. Also, clock rates is not everything. The newer generation also has architecture improvements. So clock speeds is only one aspect of many. Go with the newer cards. Since your budget is 3000, my build (if build right now), is exactly USD 3000 (see signature).

By the way, I would go with the 13700k, not for the 13900k. Much cheaper, pretty much same gaming performance, and the heat is much easier to handle. Invest the saved money in other parts of the build.....

 

[5900x]

Get the 4080, it does everything better and is the most power efficient card right now. Plus it is future proof with DLSS3 and AV1. If Nvidia had priced it sensibly, it would have outsold everything on the market.

 

[Darkbreeze]

I'd also agree that the 13900k is overkill for any gaming system unless you are planning to do a HELL OF A LOT OF MULTITASKING while you game, and by that I mean gaming PLUS a bunch of mods, recording/live streaming, many browser tabs open, bunch of overlays and at least a handful of other apps like video chat at the same time. And even then, the 13700k is probably more than capable than handling any and all of that for the next several years and will be much easier to manage thermally. I'd only really go with the 13900k if you plan to run a custom loop or very large AIO and a very high end motherboard.

Otherwise, you might actually end up with LESS performance than with the 13700k if there is throttling involved.

 

[Ar558]

Hi. I've been working on a "maxed out" PC build however with the release of the 4080, 4090 etc... the prices are very similar to that of a 3090ti for a 4080 if not cheaper in some cases however after a quick look it mentioned the 4080 could achieve higher clocks and whilst I know barely any games even use the current 8GB Vram (thus this argument might sound strange) is the 24GB on the 3090ti vs the 16GB on the 4080 worth it or should I go for the higher boost and base clocks on the GPU I end up choosing?
Parts list linked (here)
[Price I am aiming for is as close to £3000 as possible and max I intend to spend is £3500]
[If the 13900K drops to £550 (curently around £600) I intend to swap the 12900K for the 13900K]

Neither the 4080 or the 3090ti are worth it at current prices, a 3080 is much better value. If you really must, try and wait a couple of months as it's likely the 4080 price will likely drop and if it comes down to $1k it will start to look like just overpriced rather than a flat out rip off.

 

[mjbn1977]

Neither the 4080 or the 3090ti are worth it at current prices, a 3080 is much better value. If you really must, try and wait a couple of months as it's likely the 4080 price will likely drop and if it comes down to $1k it will start to look like just overpriced rather than a flat out rip off.

Again, price and value was not the question. It might not be worth it to you, but maybe to other people. He wanted to know the differences between the two cards. If he has the money, wants build his computer now because maybe he (like me) likes to play mostly in winter, wants all the raytracing and bells and whistles, he can very well buy the card. Even so the price sucks....the 4080 is still one of the better graphics card released in recent history, when it comes down to features, power draw, efficiency, thermals, raytracing power etc.

We can't always wait for better prices, and every card will eventually get cheaper. But that doesn't mean we all have wait for an eventual $100 dollar price cut. And seriously.....I just can't see Nvidia lowering its card to the same price as a 7900XTX.....not going to happen, maybe if the 7900XTX would be all around a better product. But it is not. Also, I don't buy this whole online influencer thing about them not selling, at least not here in the US. Yes, you can find here and there one, but it might not be the model you want and they not selling for retail. Newegg and B&H for example are pretty much sold out. Actually, Newegg has a Gigabyte and a MSI in stock right now. Hey, that is a good thing. You can actually choose between two models. I like this better than having a cheaper MSRP, but being unable to find one....unless I pay a much higher price from a scalper and might not even have a choice what model to get. I really wanted to buy a 3080 2 years ago. Would have even paid scalper price, but couldn't get myself to buy from a scalper. Now I was able to buy one for $1300, even without paying it to a scalper....and can get all that performance now and not maybe in a few month from now, when it gets warm and a rather hang out outside. 😉

 

[Ar558]

Again, price and value was not the question. It might not be worth it to you, but maybe to other people. He wanted to know the differences between the two cards. If he has the money, wants build his computer now because maybe he (like me) likes to play mostly in winter, wants all the raytracing and bells and whistles, he can very well buy the card. Even so the price sucks....the 4080 is still one of the better graphics card released in recent history, when it comes down to features, power draw, efficiency, thermals, raytracing power etc.

We can't always wait for better prices, and every card will eventually get cheaper. But that doesn't mean we all have wait for an eventual $100 dollar price cut. And seriously.....I just can't see Nvidia lowering its card to the same price as a 7900XTX.....not going to happen, maybe if the 7900XTX would be all around a better product. But it is not. Also, I don't buy this whole online influencer thing about them not selling, at least not here in the US. Yes, you can find here and there one, but it might not be the model you want and they not selling for retail. Newegg and B&H for example are pretty much sold out. Actually, Newegg has a Gigabyte and a MSI in stock right now. Hey, that is a good thing. You can actually choose between two models. I like this better than having a cheaper MSRP, but being unable to find one....unless I pay a much higher price from a scalper and might not even have a choice what model to get. I really wanted to buy a 3080 2 years ago. Would have even paid scalper price, but couldn't get myself to buy from a scalper. Now I was able to buy one for $1300, even without paying it to a scalper....and can get all that performance now and not maybe in a few month from now, when it gets warm and a rather hang out outside. 😉

You are free to advocate for people to waste their money if you want but you wont silence me into telling the truth. Unless you are at least a millionaire making any buying decision without taking into account value is moronic. The minor difference in actual experience by spending hundreds more dollars isn't something you can usually tell and unless you are 100% certain the OP will experience that difference advocating that spend is irresponsible.

Unless you are using the card for business purposes a GPU is a luxury so you can wait, it's not food and water. People should get there priorities straight, gaming is great but you shouldn't be spending massive amounts in some kind of * measuring contest and you are advocating that!

 

[Darkbreeze]

Most cards are currently selling at or near MSRP, for the first time in a long time, so if you're expecting to see drastic reductions in the pricing you are likely going to be waiting a very long time. I wouldn't hold my breath.

 

[mjbn1977]

You are free to advocate for people to waste their money if you want but you wont silence me into telling the truth. Unless you are at least a millionaire making any buying decision without taking into account value is moronic. The minor difference in actual experience by spending hundreds more dollars isn't something you can usually tell and unless you are 100% certain the OP will experience that difference advocating that spend is irresponsible.

Unless you are using the card for business purposes a GPU is a luxury so you can wait, it's not food and water. People should get there priorities straight, gaming is great but you shouldn't be spending massive amounts in some kind of * measuring contest and you are advocating that!

No, I don't advocate that at all. People spend thousands of dollars on hobbies. A $1200 video card is still relatively inexpensive considering what other hobbies cost. Value, price, etc was never part of the OPs question. I don't advocate for anything. I even admit that the card is stupid expensive. But that still doesn't make it a bad product. The 4080 is actually a very good product. It is just overpriced. Does this automatically make it a bad product? No. An overprice product? Yes?

But, I bought it anyway. I just had a new PC build done and wanted to have a new up to date card in it.....I wanted to use it now, not in 4 or 6 months, because it is now when I plan to use it. I plan to use it for at least 4 years. I am not in the market for any last gen cards...as good of a deal they might be. Could I have saved maybe $200 if I would have waited a few month...maybe. And those extra $200 add up only to not even $5 extra per month for this hobby. Not a big deal....

Also, this is probably the most ridiculous comment I read on the this forum: "unless you are using the card for business purposes a GPU is a luxury so you can wait, it's not food and water." So you telling us that we cannot buy a card because it is luxury? Maybe we should stop playing games all together since its just a big waste of time. Or stop doing sports like golfing...just a waste of money, could buy food and water instead.....oh boy....

And back to the original question, the 4080 is a better card and better value than the 3090Ti.

 

[mjbn1977]

Most cards are currently selling at or near MSRP, for the first time in a long time, so if you're expecting to see drastic reductions in the pricing you are likely going to be waiting a very long time. I wouldn't hold my breath.

I agree...

 

[Ar558]

No, I don't advocate that at all. People spend thousands of dollars on hobbies. A $1200 video card is still relatively inexpensive considering what other hobbies cost. Value, price, etc was never part of the OPs question. I don't advocate for anything. I even admit that the card is stupid expensive. But that still doesn't make it a bad product. The 4080 is actually a very good product. It is just overpriced. Does this automatically make it a bad product? No. An overprice product? Yes?

But, I bought it anyway. I just had a new PC build done and wanted to have a new up to date card in it.....I wanted to use it now, not in 4 or 6 months, because it is now when I plan to use it. I plan to use it for at least 4 years. I am not in the market for any last gen cards...as good of a deal they might be. Could I have saved maybe $200 if I would have waited a few month...maybe. And those extra $200 add up only to not even $5 extra per month for this hobby. Not a big deal....

Also, this is probably the most ridiculous comment I read on the this forum: "unless you are using the card for business purposes a GPU is a luxury so you can wait, it's not food and water." So you telling us that we cannot buy a card because it is luxury? Maybe we should stop playing games all together since its just a big waste of time. Or stop doing sports like golfing...just a waste of money, could buy food and water instead.....oh boy....

And back to the original question, the 4080 is a better card and better value than the 3090Ti.

Well there are a small number of people who spend thousands on hobbies, most people dont have that kind of free cash. I will always answer every question within the context of Value as I can't possible assess anything without that. I'm not saying it is technically a bad product but even a good product sold at an unreasonable price is still a bad deal. I'm not saying people can't decide to make stupid decisions financially but I can't advise that, I doubt many people will be taking this forum as gospel so if they wana spend $2k on a GPU they will but if they ask a question here I will tell them it's a bad idea no matter what

 

[mjbn1977]

Well there are a small number of people who spend thousands on hobbies, most people dont have that kind of free cash. I will always answer every question within the context of Value as I can't possible assess anything without that. I'm not saying it is technically a bad product but even a good product sold at an unreasonable price is still a bad deal. I'm not saying people can't decide to make stupid decisions financially but I can't advise that, I doubt many people will be taking this forum as gospel so if they wana spend $2k on a GPU they will but if they ask a question here I will tell them it's a bad idea no matter what

Fair enough....

 

[COLGeek]

Please keep things civil and respectful folks. Thank you.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Well, the price of a thing doesn't change, isn't automagically reduced, just because we think it's not reasonable. As you say, it's a luxury, and the bottom line is that plenty of people are willing to pay more than something is reasonably worth when they are buying luxury items. This is no different.

I think the prices are ridiculous too and I would never pay that kind of money for a graphics card, but then again, I don't have that kind of money to just throw around or when I do I have other things that take priority if I was willing to do so. Other people have different priorities and calling them stupid because that's what they CHOOSE to spend the money THEY earned on, is their business. It's not really for you or me to question. At all.

Now, if somebody was spending 2000 dollars on a card they could buy for 1500, just because it has a prettier cooler, THEN we could say "that's stupid". But even then, it's still a personal choice and it literally has nothing to do with the yays or nays of whether a choice is the right one based on what is required to get the job done. If somebody is looking to hit 144 fps at 4k Ultra, they are going to HAVE to have one of these flagship cards. As just an example. Nothing, not value vs common sense nor anything else is going to change that. Might as well either get used to it or simply not inject an opinion because having done this for a long time I can tell you up front that opinions like that aren't going to bring you much love from anybody. I know.