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and it doesn't take more than a few clicks at eBay to find scalpers selling a $749 GPU in the four-digit territory

I've seen only 2 749 models...it shouldnt be called a 749 msrp when 99% of them are 900+ pricetags even before scalpers (and i am not including the aib's who are scalping them themself because they know it'll sell regardless)
 
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Only reason I have my 2070S is because of the Covid stimulus money, but even if DOGE refunds of $5000 were given...I still wouldn't buy a new GPU from either company right now, there's no reason they should cost more than the rest of the system combined.
 
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I've seen only 2 749 models...it shouldnt be called a 749 msrp when 99% of them are 900+ pricetags even before scalpers (and i am not including the aib's who are scalping them themself because they know it'll sell regardless)
Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price.

Doesn't at all imply entitlement to a price. Arizona Tea often as a 99c msrp but isn't sold for 99c at every store. Sometimes as high as $3.50

That's life. The quicker people shed their entitlement, the better off they will be.
 
Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price.

Doesn't at all imply entitlement to a price. Arizona Tea often as a 99c msrp but isn't sold for 99c at every store. Sometimes as high as $3.50

That's life. The quicker people shed their entitlement, the better off they will be.
MSRP is a suggestion, but there's a general expectation when an MSRP is used in marketing material that it means something. It only being a "Suggestion" means companies might be legally in the clear if that price is never honored, but if it's a mirage that never actually appears at retail, people will feel they've been lied to.
 
MSRP is a suggestion, but there's a general expectation when an MSRP is used in marketing material that it means something. It only being a "Suggestion" means companies might be legally in the clear if that price is never honored, but if it's a mirage that never actually appears at retail, people will feel they've been lied to.
There were cards available at MSRP. All the $900-$1000 models sold out, so unsurprisingly, the MSRP ones did as well. The fact you can't buy a $1000 model right now, what's the point in complaining about not being able to buy a $750 model?
 
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Only reason I have my 2070S is because of the Covid stimulus money, but even if DOGE refunds of $5000 were given...I still wouldn't buy a new GPU from either company right now, there's no reason they should cost more than the rest of the system combined.
If you needed help affording a $500 card, you need to face reality and find a new hobby or buy a console, because you've been priced out of the GPU market, and we're not going to see current generations cards in your spending bracket again. Spamming message boards every day about your inability to afford cards anymore isn't going to change anything. If that actually worked, I'd spend all day on Lamborghini boards complaining about my inability to afford their cars. I know that's not how the world works, so I don't waste my time doing it.
 
I've seen only 2 749 models...it shouldnt be called a 749 msrp when 99% of them are 900+ pricetags even before scalpers (and i am not including the aib's who are scalping them themself because they know it'll sell regardless)
5 on Alternate, out of 18. So almost 1/3rd are MSRP, not 1% as you claim. That said, all of them are sold out no matter the price, so what's the point crying about the price?
 
Stop blaming the mythical "scalpers". If there is a shortage of the product, the price will go up. "Scalpers" are just shops that want to make a legitimate profit and sell above MSRP, or crafty individuals who make the product available to you on eBay at a higher price. Without these guys there would be no product available at all - at any price. Like in the shops in Eastern Europe behind the Iron Curtain before 1989.

One wonders why nVidia does not sell these GPUs at a higher price in the first place. Clearly, the market says they are worth a lot more than MSRP. Probably they are already swimming in cash, so don't need the extra pennies and prefer to reinforce the fake socialist image of a caring corporation, which puts customer first before profit.
 
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Stop blaming the mythical "scalpers".
they aren't mythical. People legit sell botting software to said scalpers and they arent hard to find.

Without these guys there would be no product available at all - at any price.
so you are going to ignore the history before 2016 which didn't really have issues?
One wonders why nVidia does not sell these GPUs at a higher price in the first place. Clearly, the market says they are worth a lot more than MSRP. Probably they are already swimming in cash, so don't need the extra pennies and prefer to reinforce the fake socialist image of a caring corporation, which puts customer first before profit.
You think Nvidia cares about gaming gpu's anymore? Jensen himself said they are not a graphics company anymore a yr ago. The $ in gaming gpu is peanuts to the enterprise sector where they sell most of their stuff at.

 
Only reason I have my 2070S is because of the Covid stimulus money, but even if DOGE refunds of $5000 were given...I still wouldn't buy a new GPU from either company right now, there's no reason they should cost more than the rest of the system combined.
A perfect example of how inflation works! That's a large part of why everything costs so much more now. Money was printed and people immediately bought recreational stuff with it. The money supply grew and the goods supply diminished.

And the market is still catching up. Wages had to go up, which increased the cost of business, so prices are bumped again to satisfy the now higher operating costs and maintain the profit margin. It takes a pretty long time to normalize a big currency pump like we had during COVID.

That's why I have pretty low hopes that AMDs offerings will be priced competitively.
 
Stop blaming the mythical "scalpers". If there is a shortage of the product, the price will go up. "Scalpers" are just shops that want to make a legitimate profit and sell above MSRP, or crafty individuals who make the product available to you on eBay at a higher price.
Scalping is legitimate profit? I have a hard time agreeing with that.

Scalping isn't about buying a few new products and selling slightly higher that big retailers, it's specifically taking advantage of product launch supply vs. demand weakness, resulting in significantly higher prices. A few scalpers wouldn't make this work, but when it happens with scale, it's obviously very effective.

The interesting thing about scalping is that it does reveal true demand; the only reason they could charge those higher prices is that people are willing to pay them. No, not as many as you move up the S vs. D curve, but indeed some will make their profits on this strategy. It does come with risk, so not saying it's a guaranteed game.
 
5 on Alternate, out of 18. So almost 1/3rd are MSRP, not 1% as you claim. That said, all of them are sold out no matter the price, so what's the point crying about the price?
It's hard for tech reviewers to extrapolate value when pricing varies so much on the same model. So, do I empathize with Jay at JayzTwoCents? Very much so, lol. And GN, and Hardware Unboxed, and on and on...

Good on AIB's that they can make better margins, a?